Anon you're replying too - I want to be clear that I have no actual knowledge that this is the case. I think it's possible, but I would still apply if I were you and applying wouldn't take much of your time, because you never know for sure. I just wouldn't plan on it being a likely opportunity.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:36 amSo if you didn't submit by, at best, midday yesterday, are you SOL?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:23 amIt looks like he did something similar in 2021, where he posted on 6/12 for email applications and interviews were 6/15. Doesn't look like he even posted in 2022. My guess is the schools he cares about already knew to be emailing him apps so he only posted on OSCAR as a courtesy rather than to actually solicit applications, but I'm super jaded at this point.
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Owens is not a fan of OSCAR and prefers mailed applications, because he thinks OSCAR makes it too easy to mass-apply without considering whether you actually want to work for a judge. It would be helpful if his OSCAR page made this clear, but I heard him say this publicly to an audience of law students.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:23 amIt looks like he did something similar in 2021, where he posted on 6/12 for email applications and interviews were 6/15. Doesn't look like he even posted in 2022. My guess is the schools he cares about already knew to be emailing him apps so he only posted on OSCAR as a courtesy rather than to actually solicit applications, but I'm super jaded at this point.
If you've already applied to Owens via OSCAR, it might be a good idea to do a mailed follow-up or to have a professor call to get your app pulled out of the digital pile.
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Is there any point if he's interviewing today?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:10 pmOwens is not a fan of OSCAR and prefers mailed applications, because he thinks OSCAR makes it too easy to mass-apply without considering whether you actually want to work for a judge. It would be helpful if his OSCAR page made this clear, but I heard him say this publicly to an audience of law students.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:23 amIt looks like he did something similar in 2021, where he posted on 6/12 for email applications and interviews were 6/15. Doesn't look like he even posted in 2022. My guess is the schools he cares about already knew to be emailing him apps so he only posted on OSCAR as a courtesy rather than to actually solicit applications, but I'm super jaded at this point.
If you've already applied to Owens via OSCAR, it might be a good idea to do a mailed follow-up or to have a professor call to get your app pulled out of the digital pile.
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Hah, probably not--missed that part. But at least my comment will be here for posterity for future cycles.
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Anyone have any info on Judge Kronstadt? Good to clerks? What kind of credentials do you need?
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I know Bennett in Honolulu has offered interviews over the past month, anyone know if he's extended offers?
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Anyone know if Johnstone has moved for 2024? I assume he has/is based on the listed interview dates.
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Anyone heard anything about Smith, Nguyen, Wardlaw for 2025?
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Anyone have any information on what its like to work for Salvador Mendoza?
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anyone know if Wardlaw has extended offers?
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She has extended at least two
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Any new movement? Particularly interested in Nguyen and Smith for 2025/2026, Paez for 2024.
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Also interested if that Paez 2024 position has goneAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:07 pmAny new movement? Particularly interested in Nguyen and Smith for 2025/2026, Paez for 2024.
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Eric Miller has his first recorded dissent from denial of rehearing en banc (in a truly bonkers case with more cross-cutting separate opinions than I care to try and condense). The case involves whether Boise v. Martin (preventing cities from criminally punishing homeless people from sleeping outdoors, also applies in some civil cases)
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Sometimes, I forget there are ghouls in robes who are happy to argue that punishing homeless people for sleeping outside is completely consistent with the Constitution.
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The opinion, charitably, has little legal support, and resulted in the fairly predictable consequence of hindering nearly all Western cities from effectively addressing homelessness.lavarman84 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:12 amSometimes, I forget there are ghouls in robes who are happy to argue that punishing homeless people for sleeping outside is completely consistent with the Constitution.
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Anyone have any info about this?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:28 pmAlso interested if that Paez 2024 position has goneAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:07 pmAny new movement? Particularly interested in Nguyen and Smith for 2025/2026, Paez for 2024.
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Yes, it's entirely counterproductive on this thread to be dismissing 17 judges, spanning an entire ideological spectrum from center-left to far-right, as "ghouls in robes" because they see a novel and complex question of Eighth Amendment law differently from you.throwawayt14 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:44 amThe opinion, charitably, has little legal support, and resulted in the fairly predictable consequence of hindering nearly all Western cities from effectively addressing homelessness.lavarman84 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:12 amSometimes, I forget there are ghouls in robes who are happy to argue that punishing homeless people for sleeping outside is completely consistent with the Constitution.
This opinion is notable for a few reasons though: Because seniors can support a dissental, but can't actually vote on en banc calls, this is a unique case where there are more judges writing in dissent (17) than in support of the opinion (presumably there were 16: the 15 active judges not in dissent, plus the visiting district judge). Seventeen is also by far the highest number of joiners I've ever seen on a dissental. In addition to Judge Miller joining for the first time in his career, it's very unusual to see Judge Wallace weighing in on a case where he wasn't part of the panel. And it's also increasingly uncommon for a dissental to be "bipartisan," as Judge Graber wrote a more moderate criticism of the panel opinion.
Bottom line is that this is the strongest plea I have seen Ninth Circuit dissenters send to SCOTUS in my decade of watching the court.
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Does Judge Bumatay send rejections after second-round interviews? Interviewed several weeks ago and sent updated transcripts but haven't heard back. Not sure if I'm still in the running for a spot.
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Following. I interviewed on Zoom with his clerks a while back and haven't heard anything. Interview was tough and I fumbled some questions, so silence is probably a rejection for me. But I didn't get a second round like you did.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:18 pmDoes Judge Bumatay send rejections after second-round interviews? Interviewed several weeks ago and sent updated transcripts but haven't heard back. Not sure if I'm still in the running for a spot.
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Yes.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 3:05 amFollowing. I interviewed on Zoom with his clerks a while back and haven't heard anything. Interview was tough and I fumbled some questions, so silence is probably a rejection for me. But I didn't get a second round like you did.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:18 pmDoes Judge Bumatay send rejections after second-round interviews? Interviewed several weeks ago and sent updated transcripts but haven't heard back. Not sure if I'm still in the running for a spot.
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Speaking of Thompson, she recently just wrote an opinion where she seems to believe that RFK's real name is John F. Kennedy.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 5:11 pmHaving appeared in front of both Corley and Thompson, I can confirm that Corley's chambers seems to run seamlessly whereas Thompson's chambers does . . . not.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 12:47 amAs a former clerk for a Trump district judge, I think it would be unusual for a district judge to not have a chaotic first year. The learning curve is insane. Though I would hope it's better for a former state court judge, and it's probably much better for a former federal magistrate. (And I doubt Corley, a longtime magistrate and career clerk who presided by consent a lot, has a learning curve at all.)Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:01 pmDo you think some of this is just because the learning curve for being a judge is steep, at least at the district level, and it takes some time for the judge to get settled in? I’ve honestly heard not great things about a few of the Biden appointees, but I’m wondering if most of this could be attributed to the fact that they are new to the bench.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:58 pmhave also heard negative things FWIW, sounds chaotic behind the scenesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:08 amAnyone know anything about Trina Thompson (N.D. Cal.)?
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It is unreal how that got past what I presume are at least three sets of eyes.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 pmSpeaking of Thompson, she recently just wrote an opinion where she seems to believe that RFK's real name is John F. Kennedy.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 5:11 pmHaving appeared in front of both Corley and Thompson, I can confirm that Corley's chambers seems to run seamlessly whereas Thompson's chambers does . . . not.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 12:47 amAs a former clerk for a Trump district judge, I think it would be unusual for a district judge to not have a chaotic first year. The learning curve is insane. Though I would hope it's better for a former state court judge, and it's probably much better for a former federal magistrate. (And I doubt Corley, a longtime magistrate and career clerk who presided by consent a lot, has a learning curve at all.)Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:01 pmDo you think some of this is just because the learning curve for being a judge is steep, at least at the district level, and it takes some time for the judge to get settled in? I’ve honestly heard not great things about a few of the Biden appointees, but I’m wondering if most of this could be attributed to the fact that they are new to the bench.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:58 pmhave also heard negative things FWIW, sounds chaotic behind the scenesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:08 amAnyone know anything about Trina Thompson (N.D. Cal.)?
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... etro082323
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Unreal that whoever drafted this couldn’t read the case caption.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 pmIt is unreal how that got past what I presume are at least three sets of eyes.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 pmSpeaking of Thompson, she recently just wrote an opinion where she seems to believe that RFK's real name is John F. Kennedy.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 5:11 pmHaving appeared in front of both Corley and Thompson, I can confirm that Corley's chambers seems to run seamlessly whereas Thompson's chambers does . . . not.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 12:47 amAs a former clerk for a Trump district judge, I think it would be unusual for a district judge to not have a chaotic first year. The learning curve is insane. Though I would hope it's better for a former state court judge, and it's probably much better for a former federal magistrate. (And I doubt Corley, a longtime magistrate and career clerk who presided by consent a lot, has a learning curve at all.)Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:01 pmDo you think some of this is just because the learning curve for being a judge is steep, at least at the district level, and it takes some time for the judge to get settled in? I’ve honestly heard not great things about a few of the Biden appointees, but I’m wondering if most of this could be attributed to the fact that they are new to the bench.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:58 pmhave also heard negative things FWIW, sounds chaotic behind the scenesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:08 amAnyone know anything about Trina Thompson (N.D. Cal.)?
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... etro082323
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Anyone have insight into Holly Thomas? She just posted an 2023 opening this week and has (according to my schools clerkship office) already started interviewing?
Did a clerk drop and, if so, anyone know if Thomas is maybe a clerkship to avoid?
Did a clerk drop and, if so, anyone know if Thomas is maybe a clerkship to avoid?
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