Let's talk 2nd Circuit! Forum

[Anonymous User]

It’s Perez, not Lee. Lee isn’t someone who instinctively rocks the boat. Same for Nathan and Robinson. Calabresi is in the same bucket as Perez but of a different generation, and he might be the most liberal judge on the court. Chin also can be very liberal depending on the case.

[Anonymous User]

What is this based on?

[Anonymous User]

What is this based on?

Not the commenter and idk if we're using woke as a negative or a positive (I guess it's both depending on who you ask) but I assume they're just sort of theorizing based on things like clerk hiring, pre-judge/post-judge writings/work, involvment or whatever. This being the case, I guess Lee and Perez are the "woke" ones, but truthfully at this point I dont actually know what distinguishes someone who is far left on the judge scale and someone who is "woke."

[Anonymous User]

What is this based on?

Not the commenter and idk if we're using woke as a negative or a positive (I guess it's both depending on who you ask) but I assume they're just sort of theorizing based on things like clerk hiring, pre-judge/post-judge writings/work, involvment or whatever. This being the case, I guess Lee and Perez are the "woke" ones, but truthfully at this point I dont actually know what distinguishes someone who is far left on the judge scale and someone who is "woke."

I would say "woke" is more about the window trimmings of the job: hiring, the judge's off-bench activities (speeches, causes supported, writings), and chambers culture. None of that necessarily carries over to being a philosophically liberal jurist, but obviously, a "woke" judge will usually be quite liberal. The opposite isn't always true, there are some judges out there who rule quite liberally but run a more formal/traditional workplace.

[Anonymous User]

What is this based on?

Not the commenter and idk if we're using woke as a negative or a positive (I guess it's both depending on who you ask) but I assume they're just sort of theorizing based on things like clerk hiring, pre-judge/post-judge writings/work, involvment or whatever. This being the case, I guess Lee and Perez are the "woke" ones, but truthfully at this point I dont actually know what distinguishes someone who is far left on the judge scale and someone who is "woke."

I would say "woke" is more about the window trimmings of the job: hiring, the judge's off-bench activities (speeches, causes supported, writings), and chambers culture. None of that necessarily carries over to being a philosophically liberal jurist, but obviously, a "woke" judge will usually be quite liberal. The opposite isn't always true, there are some judges out there who rule quite liberally but run a more formal/traditional workplace.

So a better question would be: which judge has the wokest chambers?

[lavarman84]

What is this based on?

Not the commenter and idk if we're using woke as a negative or a positive (I guess it's both depending on who you ask) but I assume they're just sort of theorizing based on things like clerk hiring, pre-judge/post-judge writings/work, involvment or whatever. This being the case, I guess Lee and Perez are the "woke" ones, but truthfully at this point I dont actually know what distinguishes someone who is far left on the judge scale and someone who is "woke."

I would say "woke" is more about the window trimmings of the job: hiring, the judge's off-bench activities (speeches, causes supported, writings), and chambers culture. None of that necessarily carries over to being a philosophically liberal jurist, but obviously, a "woke" judge will usually be quite liberal. The opposite isn't always true, there are some judges out there who rule quite liberally but run a more formal/traditional workplace.

So a better question would be: which judge has the wokest chambers?

Can't be Perez. I hear her chambers needs a lot of naps due to the brutal hours.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know anything about Gardephe?

Edit: also heard he works a lot, but anyone know what effect going senior has had on that?

[Anonymous User]

Gardephe works clerks really, really hard. I know someone who had a good experience with him and someone else who did not.

[Anonymous User]

Gardephe works clerks really, really hard. I know someone who had a good experience with him and someone else who did not.

Worse or better or equal to that Cogan/Koeltl/similar ones?

Edit: What I'm basically asking is how much harder these clerks work than the median SDNY judge. I'm in biglaw so I can handle it, but I also am not the type of person who can do mentally grueling tasks (as I assume clerks are probably not doing any braindead work) from 9-9 M-F

[Anonymous User]

Gardephe works clerks really, really hard. I know someone who had a good experience with him and someone else who did not.

Worse or better or equal to that Cogan/Koeltl/similar ones?

Edit: What I'm basically asking is how much harder these clerks work than the median SDNY judge. I'm in biglaw so I can handle it, but I also am not the type of person who can do mentally grueling tasks (as I assume clerks are probably not doing any braindead work) from 9-9 M-F

9-9 is not unusual for the harder-working judges on SDNY, of whom Gardephe is definitely one. I’ve heard not good things fwiw but through a game of telephone I wouldn’t trust if you have better info.

[Anonymous User]

This information is from four years ago - so no idea if his going senior has changed anything (genuinely curious to hear if anyone has updated info) - but I’m told Gardephe’s clerks usually left somewhere between 8 and 9 (I.e. same time as him).

[Anonymous User]

This information is from four years ago - so no idea if his going senior has changed anything (genuinely curious to hear if anyone has updated info) - but I’m told Gardephe’s clerks usually left somewhere between 8 and 9 (I.e. same time as him).

Is that considered bad for SDNY?