Yes, they tend to be very credentialed. Law review, Supreme Court Clinic, Ivy undergrad, Oxbridge masters program types with feeder clerkships. The gold stars from Yale are identifiable but they're not as legible as grades.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:14 pmIs CJR that credential sensitive? His last few classes have included Faye/Summa grads but since hires from YLS a good bit, feels impossible to tell how credentialed they areAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:19 pmThapar would be a nice play for a liberal targeting the Chief, but if you have the grades for the Chief, you also have the grades for any liberal feeder you want.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:30 pmThapar still hires liberals, but he's only looking to hire folks he can reliably feed. There are only so many liberal applicants a year with the grades for a liberal feeder who would nevertheless prefer to work for him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:42 pmI think all the new Trump appointees at least occasionally hire liberals (maybe not Thapar anymore, but he certainly used to), or at least hire people who are not particularly or obviously conservative. But Readler has a pretty strong preference for ideologically aligned clerks, and that preference seemingly extended to even his career clerk/judicial assistant.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:37 pmIn connection with the other post, I hear that Batchelder is the most ideological. For some reason I thought Readler occasionally hired liberals.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:56 pmAnyone know which conservatives on the 6th circuit are the least grade sensitive and more ideological?
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Out of morbid curiosity, what are the gold stars at YLS? I know Coker is big but have heard YLJ is not super competitive/considers a lot of non-write on based credentials.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:06 amYes, they tend to be very credentialed. Law review, Supreme Court Clinic, Ivy undergrad, Oxbridge masters program types with feeder clerkships. The gold stars from Yale are identifiable but they're not as legible as grades.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:14 pmIs CJR that credential sensitive? His last few classes have included Faye/Summa grads but since hires from YLS a good bit, feels impossible to tell how credentialed they areAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:19 pmThapar would be a nice play for a liberal targeting the Chief, but if you have the grades for the Chief, you also have the grades for any liberal feeder you want.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:30 pmThapar still hires liberals, but he's only looking to hire folks he can reliably feed. There are only so many liberal applicants a year with the grades for a liberal feeder who would nevertheless prefer to work for him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:42 pmI think all the new Trump appointees at least occasionally hire liberals (maybe not Thapar anymore, but he certainly used to), or at least hire people who are not particularly or obviously conservative. But Readler has a pretty strong preference for ideologically aligned clerks, and that preference seemingly extended to even his career clerk/judicial assistant.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:37 pmIn connection with the other post, I hear that Batchelder is the most ideological. For some reason I thought Readler occasionally hired liberals.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:56 pmAnyone know which conservatives on the 6th circuit are the least grade sensitive and more ideological?
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Not from Yale, but my understanding is certain RA jobs are like given to people who get the top exam in the class or something and can signal academic prowess. I don't think YLJ is that much of a gold-star anymore now that they sort of fudged the write-on process like other law schools. Still better than no YLJ I think though.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:30 pmOut of morbid curiosity, what are the gold stars at YLS? I know Coker is big but have heard YLJ is not super competitive/considers a lot of non-write on based credentials.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:06 amYes, they tend to be very credentialed. Law review, Supreme Court Clinic, Ivy undergrad, Oxbridge masters program types with feeder clerkships. The gold stars from Yale are identifiable but they're not as legible as grades.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:14 pmIs CJR that credential sensitive? His last few classes have included Faye/Summa grads but since hires from YLS a good bit, feels impossible to tell how credentialed they areAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:19 pmThapar would be a nice play for a liberal targeting the Chief, but if you have the grades for the Chief, you also have the grades for any liberal feeder you want.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:30 pmThapar still hires liberals, but he's only looking to hire folks he can reliably feed. There are only so many liberal applicants a year with the grades for a liberal feeder who would nevertheless prefer to work for him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:42 pmI think all the new Trump appointees at least occasionally hire liberals (maybe not Thapar anymore, but he certainly used to), or at least hire people who are not particularly or obviously conservative. But Readler has a pretty strong preference for ideologically aligned clerks, and that preference seemingly extended to even his career clerk/judicial assistant.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:37 pmIn connection with the other post, I hear that Batchelder is the most ideological. For some reason I thought Readler occasionally hired liberals.
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The Coker has become massively overrated, especially as the position is now essentially a glorified party-planner/cruise director role, but Cokers should still expect a significant amount of support from their respective professors. Agree that YLJ itself is not much of a gold star, but the top positions, like EIC, MEs, and EEs, probably are. RA hiring practices vary wildly, but RA positions with the big names, like Gerken, Amar, Eskridge, et al., are also markers of distinction. Publications and paper prizes can also be important. Some professors, like Parrillo, will also unofficially rank order exams and write recommendations to that effect. More generally, Hs in classes known to enforce a strict curve are also valuable. Academic pedigree, whether top undergrad or Oxbridge masters, also seems to matter at YLS in a way it doesn't elsewhere, in part because some professors (ahem, Amar) may be more willing to work with students with elite backgrounds. Students who have thrived in those elite institutions also seem to be preternaturally gifted at pleasing their elders, which (pace Gerken) is the real coin of the realm at YLS.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:01 pmNot from Yale, but my understanding is certain RA jobs are like given to people who get the top exam in the class or something and can signal academic prowess. I don't think YLJ is that much of a gold-star anymore now that they sort of fudged the write-on process like other law schools. Still better than no YLJ I think though.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:30 pmOut of morbid curiosity, what are the gold stars at YLS? I know Coker is big but have heard YLJ is not super competitive/considers a lot of non-write on based credentials.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:06 amYes, they tend to be very credentialed. Law review, Supreme Court Clinic, Ivy undergrad, Oxbridge masters program types with feeder clerkships. The gold stars from Yale are identifiable but they're not as legible as grades.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:14 pmIs CJR that credential sensitive? His last few classes have included Faye/Summa grads but since hires from YLS a good bit, feels impossible to tell how credentialed they areAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:19 pmThapar would be a nice play for a liberal targeting the Chief, but if you have the grades for the Chief, you also have the grades for any liberal feeder you want.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:30 pmThapar still hires liberals, but he's only looking to hire folks he can reliably feed. There are only so many liberal applicants a year with the grades for a liberal feeder who would nevertheless prefer to work for him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:42 pm
I think all the new Trump appointees at least occasionally hire liberals (maybe not Thapar anymore, but he certainly used to), or at least hire people who are not particularly or obviously conservative. But Readler has a pretty strong preference for ideologically aligned clerks, and that preference seemingly extended to even his career clerk/judicial assistant.
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Agreed, especially for a liberal with midwestern roots. He also opens up Gorsuch for for more anti-establishment/libertarian ones. I'm not sure if he makes sense for hardcore progressives. He's fed to Sotomayor in the past, but that was a while ago.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:19 pmThapar would be a nice play for a liberal targeting the Chief, but if you have the grades for the Chief, you also have the grades for any liberal feeder you want.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:30 pmThapar still hires liberals, but he's only looking to hire folks he can reliably feed. There are only so many liberal applicants a year with the grades for a liberal feeder who would nevertheless prefer to work for him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:42 pmI think all the new Trump appointees at least occasionally hire liberals (maybe not Thapar anymore, but he certainly used to), or at least hire people who are not particularly or obviously conservative. But Readler has a pretty strong preference for ideologically aligned clerks, and that preference seemingly extended to even his career clerk/judicial assistant.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:37 pmIn connection with the other post, I hear that Batchelder is the most ideological. For some reason I thought Readler occasionally hired liberals.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:56 pmAnyone know which conservatives on the 6th circuit are the least grade sensitive and more ideological?
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The Oxbridge MA thing is weird bc it isn’t actually much of a mark of academic distinction, unless you’re doing it on scholarship the programs are sort of cash cows. But there really are a ton of them at YLS, far moreso than at HSC. The YLS faculty seems to value them in admissions due to the reflected glory of the Rhodes and Marshall in a way that they wouldn’t value useless terminal MAs at American schools.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:19 pmThe Coker has become massively overrated, especially as the position is now essentially a glorified party-planner/cruise director role, but Cokers should still expect a significant amount of support from their respective professors. Agree that YLJ itself is not much of a gold star, but the top positions, like EIC, MEs, and EEs, probably are. RA hiring practices vary wildly, but RA positions with the big names, like Gerken, Amar, Eskridge, et al., are also markers of distinction. Publications and paper prizes can also be important. Some professors, like Parrillo, will also unofficially rank order exams and write recommendations to that effect. More generally, Hs in classes known to enforce a strict curve are also valuable. Academic pedigree, whether top undergrad or Oxbridge masters, also seems to matter at YLS in a way it doesn't elsewhere, in part because some professors (ahem, Amar) may be more willing to work with students with elite backgrounds. Students who have thrived in those elite institutions also seem to be preternaturally gifted at pleasing their elders, which (pace Gerken) is the real coin of the realm at YLS.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:01 pmNot from Yale, but my understanding is certain RA jobs are like given to people who get the top exam in the class or something and can signal academic prowess. I don't think YLJ is that much of a gold-star anymore now that they sort of fudged the write-on process like other law schools. Still better than no YLJ I think though.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:30 pmOut of morbid curiosity, what are the gold stars at YLS? I know Coker is big but have heard YLJ is not super competitive/considers a lot of non-write on based credentials.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:06 amYes, they tend to be very credentialed. Law review, Supreme Court Clinic, Ivy undergrad, Oxbridge masters program types with feeder clerkships. The gold stars from Yale are identifiable but they're not as legible as grades.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:14 pmIs CJR that credential sensitive? His last few classes have included Faye/Summa grads but since hires from YLS a good bit, feels impossible to tell how credentialed they areAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:19 pmThapar would be a nice play for a liberal targeting the Chief, but if you have the grades for the Chief, you also have the grades for any liberal feeder you want.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:30 pm
Thapar still hires liberals, but he's only looking to hire folks he can reliably feed. There are only so many liberal applicants a year with the grades for a liberal feeder who would nevertheless prefer to work for him.
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Thapar pulls the trigger so early, and so based on conservative legal movement connections, that he’s unlikely to see a ton of top liberal applicants, most of whom wait until 2L to go on the market in a serious way. Agree that he would make some sense for the sort of moderate liberal Midwesterner who’s also targeting Stras, Kethledge, Sutton, etc. though.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:54 pmAgreed, especially for a liberal with midwestern roots. He also opens up Gorsuch for for more anti-establishment/libertarian ones. I'm not sure if he makes sense for hardcore progressives. He's fed to Sotomayor in the past, but that was a while ago.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:19 pmThapar would be a nice play for a liberal targeting the Chief, but if you have the grades for the Chief, you also have the grades for any liberal feeder you want.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:30 pmThapar still hires liberals, but he's only looking to hire folks he can reliably feed. There are only so many liberal applicants a year with the grades for a liberal feeder who would nevertheless prefer to work for him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:42 pmI think all the new Trump appointees at least occasionally hire liberals (maybe not Thapar anymore, but he certainly used to), or at least hire people who are not particularly or obviously conservative. But Readler has a pretty strong preference for ideologically aligned clerks, and that preference seemingly extended to even his career clerk/judicial assistant.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:37 pmIn connection with the other post, I hear that Batchelder is the most ideological. For some reason I thought Readler occasionally hired liberals.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:56 pmAnyone know which conservatives on the 6th circuit are the least grade sensitive and more ideological?
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Does anyone know if Thapar is full for 2024? Also, is calling chambers before applying an acceptable way to confirm whether slots are available?
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No inside knowledge but I would be shocked if he isn’t full. He has a reputation for hiring very early.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:30 pmDoes anyone know if Thapar is full for 2024? Also, is calling chambers before applying an acceptable way to confirm whether slots are available?
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Anyone have insight in district judges in Ohio? I imagine the Biden nominees are too recent to really tell, but in NDOH, any insight on Gaughan, Lioi, Helmick, Knepp, or Calabrese? For SDOH, on Newman, Morrison, Marbley, or Watson?
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Anyone have perspective on how credential sensitive Kethledge tends to be? Parsed the former clerks from my school and they all over the map - plenty not on HLR and has taken people with each "tier" of latin honor.
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Intel I got from a former clerk + a professor that knows him personally is that he cares about grades, but is willing to bend on an applicant not having tippy-top grades if that person has other markers of quality. And that intel applies to applicants from my back-half T14, so I imagine it applies likewise to HYS.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:51 pmAnyone have perspective on how credential sensitive Kethledge tends to be? Parsed the former clerks from my school and they all over the map - plenty not on HLR and has taken people with each "tier" of latin honor.
Does anyone know when his next opening is?
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Knepp essentially requires Toledo ties for most clerks. Most have a strong desire to remain in Toledo after clerking. The few clerks of Helmick’s that I know came from Michigan. Calabrese likes Ohio ties, and he is also Fed Soc connected. From the little that I know of him, I think he places a strong emphasis on credentials.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:46 pmAnyone have insight in district judges in Ohio? I imagine the Biden nominees are too recent to really tell, but in NDOH, any insight on Gaughan, Lioi, Helmick, Knepp, or Calabrese? For SDOH, on Newman, Morrison, Marbley, or Watson?
Newman is interesting. He almost always hires off of recommendations, and he is very well-connected. Marbley hires T14, diverse clerks. Morrison has hired from Capital (her alma mater) and seems to prioritize some connection to Southern Ohio. No idea if she hires anyone outside of the local schools. I have no intel on Watson.
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I believe he saves openings for on-plan applicants so presumably 2024 but no hard info on that oneAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:39 pmIntel I got from a former clerk + a professor that knows him personally is that he cares about grades, but is willing to bend on an applicant not having tippy-top grades if that person has other markers of quality. And that intel applies to applicants from my back-half T14, so I imagine it applies likewise to HYS.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:51 pmAnyone have perspective on how credential sensitive Kethledge tends to be? Parsed the former clerks from my school and they all over the map - plenty not on HLR and has taken people with each "tier" of latin honor.
Does anyone know when his next opening is?
Any chance you have perspective on what grades your prof was referring to as tippy top? It seems like the HLS applicants are a total clusterfuck - you've got a couple with no honors + no HLR + no Ames but also pople with HLR + Magna.
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HLR people who didn't even get cum laude (isn't that like basically top half of the class at this point or maybe like 40%) could be people who did well 1L and then fell off at the end. Such is the nature of the risk of hiring people when they're 1Ls.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:15 pmI believe he saves openings for on-plan applicants so presumably 2024 but no hard info on that oneAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:39 pmIntel I got from a former clerk + a professor that knows him personally is that he cares about grades, but is willing to bend on an applicant not having tippy-top grades if that person has other markers of quality. And that intel applies to applicants from my back-half T14, so I imagine it applies likewise to HYS.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:51 pmAnyone have perspective on how credential sensitive Kethledge tends to be? Parsed the former clerks from my school and they all over the map - plenty not on HLR and has taken people with each "tier" of latin honor.
Does anyone know when his next opening is?
Any chance you have perspective on what grades your prof was referring to as tippy top? It seems like the HLS applicants are a total clusterfuck - you've got a couple with no honors + no HLR + no Ames but also pople with HLR + Magna.
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Yeah it's basically top half, but AFAIK, Kethledge hires on plan so applicants would have a 4 semesters of grades at that pointAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:21 pmHLR people who didn't even get cum laude (isn't that like basically top half of the class at this point or maybe like 40%) could be people who did well 1L and then fell off at the end. Such is the nature of the risk of hiring people when they're 1Ls.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:15 pmI believe he saves openings for on-plan applicants so presumably 2024 but no hard info on that oneAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:39 pmIntel I got from a former clerk + a professor that knows him personally is that he cares about grades, but is willing to bend on an applicant not having tippy-top grades if that person has other markers of quality. And that intel applies to applicants from my back-half T14, so I imagine it applies likewise to HYS.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:51 pmAnyone have perspective on how credential sensitive Kethledge tends to be? Parsed the former clerks from my school and they all over the map - plenty not on HLR and has taken people with each "tier" of latin honor.
Does anyone know when his next opening is?
Any chance you have perspective on what grades your prof was referring to as tippy top? It seems like the HLS applicants are a total clusterfuck - you've got a couple with no honors + no HLR + no Ames but also pople with HLR + Magna.
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He hired someone from my section at HLS who did not graduate magna and was not on HLR, for what it's worth.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:51 pmAnyone have perspective on how credential sensitive Kethledge tends to be? Parsed the former clerks from my school and they all over the map - plenty not on HLR and has taken people with each "tier" of latin honor.
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Person you're replying to — I believe one former clerk was top third-ish no LR. A friend of mine who will clerk for him in a future term is top 5% (with LR managing board position). So a wide spread here too.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:15 pmI believe he saves openings for on-plan applicants so presumably 2024 but no hard info on that oneAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:39 pmIntel I got from a former clerk + a professor that knows him personally is that he cares about grades, but is willing to bend on an applicant not having tippy-top grades if that person has other markers of quality. And that intel applies to applicants from my back-half T14, so I imagine it applies likewise to HYS.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:51 pmAnyone have perspective on how credential sensitive Kethledge tends to be? Parsed the former clerks from my school and they all over the map - plenty not on HLR and has taken people with each "tier" of latin honor.
Does anyone know when his next opening is?
Any chance you have perspective on what grades your prof was referring to as tippy top? It seems like the HLS applicants are a total clusterfuck - you've got a couple with no honors + no HLR + no Ames but also pople with HLR + Magna.
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I think it's fair to say that a significant number of judges, particularly some conservatives, place very little (if any) emphasis on LR these days.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:27 pmHe hired someone from my section at HLS who did not graduate magna and was not on HLR, for what it's worth.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:51 pmAnyone have perspective on how credential sensitive Kethledge tends to be? Parsed the former clerks from my school and they all over the map - plenty not on HLR and has taken people with each "tier" of latin honor.
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Very helpful, thanks. Also meant to ask about Sargus, if you (or anyone) has any thoughts.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:37 pmKnepp essentially requires Toledo ties for most clerks. Most have a strong desire to remain in Toledo after clerking. The few clerks of Helmick’s that I know came from Michigan. Calabrese likes Ohio ties, and he is also Fed Soc connected. From the little that I know of him, I think he places a strong emphasis on credentials.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:46 pmAnyone have insight in district judges in Ohio? I imagine the Biden nominees are too recent to really tell, but in NDOH, any insight on Gaughan, Lioi, Helmick, Knepp, or Calabrese? For SDOH, on Newman, Morrison, Marbley, or Watson?
Newman is interesting. He almost always hires off of recommendations, and he is very well-connected. Marbley hires T14, diverse clerks. Morrison has hired from Capital (her alma mater) and seems to prioritize some connection to Southern Ohio. No idea if she hires anyone outside of the local schools. I have no intel on Watson.
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Anyone here know anything good or bad about Chief Judge Sheryl Lipman (W.D. Tenn.)?
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Any thoughts on Trump district court appointees? I can't find much on most of them since they're so new.
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Cole and Beaton are well-regarded in conservative circles. Are you looking at any particular district?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:19 pmAny thoughts on Trump district court appointees? I can't find much on most of them since they're so new.
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I'm looking at judges in NDOH/SDOH/and Michigan, mostly. Calabrese, Barker, Morrison, etc.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:58 pmCole and Beaton are well-regarded in conservative circles. Are you looking at any particular district?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:19 pmAny thoughts on Trump district court appointees? I can't find much on most of them since they're so new.
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Lipman is great, and she builds good relationships with her clerks! Most of the judges in that courthouse are fantastic, particularly Lipman, Parker, Fowlkes, and Mays. Fowlkes recently took senior status, so I do not know if his caseload has changed; but, if he's anything like the other senior judges (like McCalla and Mays), he will maintain a pretty busy docket.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:07 pmAnyone here know anything good or bad about Chief Judge Sheryl Lipman (W.D. Tenn.)?
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