Federal Government Position Coming from AU Forum

[CJ_1111]

What are the chances of being hired by the federal government (DOJ, FTC, etc) by attending AU-WCL as a transfer student? The reason I'm asking is because I know WCL is overshadowed by higher rank law schools. I want to work in the DOJ Antitrust Division and I'm just wondering what my chances are.

[thexfactor]

Almost 0. Sorry. There are about 800 kids ahead of you in DC.

What are the chances of being hired by the federal government (DOJ, FTC, etc) by attending AU-WCL as a transfer student? The reason I'm asking is because I know WCL is overshadowed by higher rank law schools. I want to work in the DOJ Antitrust Division and I'm just wondering what my chances are.

[03121202698008]

What are the chances of being hired by the federal government (DOJ, FTC, etc) by attending AU-WCL as a transfer student? The reason I'm asking is because I know WCL is overshadowed by higher rank law schools. I want to work in the DOJ Antitrust Division and I'm just wondering what my chances are.

What school are you at? Grades?

[CJ_1111]

What are the chances of being hired by the federal government (DOJ, FTC, etc) by attending AU-WCL as a transfer student? The reason I'm asking is because I know WCL is overshadowed by higher rank law schools. I want to work in the DOJ Antitrust Division and I'm just wondering what my chances are.

What school are you at? Grades?

I'm coming from a T4. I'm ranked top 15% there but I'm transferring regardless.

[ggocat]

What are the chances of being hired by the federal government (DOJ, FTC, etc) by attending AU-WCL as a transfer student? The reason I'm asking is because I know WCL is overshadowed by higher rank law schools. I want to work in the DOJ Antitrust Division and I'm just wondering what my chances are.

What school are you at? Grades?

I'm coming from a T4. I'm ranked top 15% there but I'm transferring regardless.

You would probably need to do better at American than you did at T4. You might get in with lower grades, though, if you demonstrate significant interest in the agency. For example, shoot for a 2L SLIP position. If you don't qualify for SLIP, you probably don't have a good shot at honors program hiring.

Antitrust is a popular division (harder to get into than some other federal positions).

Good luck.

[03121202698008]

What are the chances of being hired by the federal government (DOJ, FTC, etc) by attending AU-WCL as a transfer student? The reason I'm asking is because I know WCL is overshadowed by higher rank law schools. I want to work in the DOJ Antitrust Division and I'm just wondering what my chances are.

What school are you at? Grades?

I'm coming from a T4. I'm ranked top 15% there but I'm transferring regardless.

Well, as far as I know DOJ jobs (Fed jobs in general) are very competitive and most go to graduates from top schools. Any chance you can crack the T14?

[270910]

Almost 0. Sorry. There are about 800 kids ahead of you in DC.

+1

Broaden your horizons. There are an enormous number of federal agencies.

You have to be smart. The sad truth is that a simple heuristic can help: If you haven't heard of the agency, it might be a good place to try and land a job. The agencies with cachet - especially the agencies with enormous legal cachet like DoJ - are going to be swamped with applications, up through and including the best students at Harvard and Yale.

[dcpolitico]

Bullshit. These are perhaps some of the most uninformed responses on the entire TLS forum. Your chances of employment in public service after graduating from AU-WCL are excellent. Does anyone here know how many federal agencies exist in DC? Numerous PT students at AU-WCL are federal agents and many agencies, such as the FBI, NSA, USPTO, are actively seeking DC law students. Moreover, 80% of the adjunct faculty at AU-WCL work on Hill, and AU-WCL probably has a lock-down on legislative jobs. AU, however, does not have a lock-down on big law or judicial clerkships. But you are almost guaranteed a public service job coming from AU.

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Bullshit. These are perhaps some of the most uninformed responses on the entire TLS forum. Your chances of employment in public service after graduating from AU-WCL are excellent. Does anyone here know how many federal agencies exist in DC? Numerous PT students at AU-WCL are federal agents and many agencies, such as the FBI, NSA, USPTO, are actively seeking DC law students. Moreover, 80% of the adjunct faculty at AU-WCL work on Hill, and AU-WCL probably has a lock-down on legislative jobs. AU, however, does not have a lock-down on big law or judicial clerkships. But you are almost guaranteed a public service job coming from AU.

Calm down there, buddy. OP specifically asks about the DOJ Antitrust division, not just any public service job. Also, I sort of doubt any school has a "lock-down" on any legal sector ITE.

[dcpolitico]

What are the chances of being hired by the federal government (DOJ, FTC, etc) by attending AU-WCL as a transfer student?

Most posters were responding to this general question. Not the more specific question.

[Encyclopedia Brown]

What are the chances of being hired by the federal government (DOJ, FTC, etc) by attending AU-WCL as a transfer student?

Most posters were responding to this general question. Not the more specific question.

No, they weren't.

[03121202698008]

Bullshit. These are perhaps some of the most uninformed responses on the entire TLS forum. Your chances of employment in public service after graduating from AU-WCL are excellent. Does anyone here know how many federal agencies exist in DC? Numerous PT students at AU-WCL are federal agents and many agencies, such as the FBI, NSA, USPTO, are actively seeking DC law students. Moreover, 80% of the adjunct faculty at AU-WCL work on Hill, and AU-WCL probably has a lock-down on legislative jobs. AU, however, does not have a lock-down on big law or judicial clerkships. But you are almost guaranteed a public service job coming from AU.

Also, the fact that people who are already agents choose to attend AU part time, does not mean non-prior students are going to have a shot. The FBI and NSA are not actively seeking DC law students. They invite any JD applicant to apply but actually prefer people from outside of DC. Their agency policy prohibits being stationed anywhere you previously lived for X number of years. They also have ridiculously low selection rates for agents. It takes 2+ years to clear the background check and less than 15% get selected. Then the academy has a high wash-out rate as well.

Most Federal Agents hire out of a pool for attorney jobs. The fact that an AU grad may get hiring into a non-JD required position isn't what we are talking about. LRAP at many (all?) schools won't even cover those positions since a JD is not required.

[ggocat]

IBR won't even cover those positions since a JD is not required.

lolno

[03121202698008]

IBR won't even cover those positions since a JD is not required.

lolno

Eh, your correct...I was thinking of LRAP (at least at Michigan). I'll edit.

[dcpolitico]

Also, the fact that people who are already agents choose to attend AU part time, does not mean non-prior students are going to have a shot.

Have you heard of networking?

They invite any JD applicant to apply but actually prefer people from outside of DC.

Who is they? Managers make the hiring decisions.

It takes 2+ years to clear the background check and less than 15% get selected.

2-3 weeks is standard. I know from personal experience.

The fact that an AU grad may get hiring into a non-JD required position isn't what we are talking about.

Who said anything about non-JD required positions? Upon receiving their JD, many federal employees now advise peers on legal matters and can apply for other positions within the agency, such as details, teaching positions, leadership positions, etc.

[03121202698008]

Also, the fact that people who are already agents choose to attend AU part time, does not mean non-prior students are going to have a shot.

Have you heard of networking?
LOL

They invite any JD applicant to apply but actually prefer people from outside of DC.

Who is they? Managers make the hiring decisions.
Uh, no they don't. Not in federal agencies. Not for permanent positions or even most internships.

It takes 2+ years to clear the background check and less than 15% get selected.

2-3 weeks is standard. I know from personal experience.
I know at least 25 FBI agents and 10 NSA agents (and another 20-30 secret service agents). Hiring takes 2+ years until you hit the academy.

The fact that an AU grad may get hiring into a non-JD required position isn't what we are talking about.

Who said anything about non-JD required positions?

You obviously know shit about Federal hiring. JD positions are competitive and generally hired from a pool of applicants that are pre-qualified.

15. How long does the FBI Special Agent application process take?
The length of the application process for the Special Agent position can vary greatly from applicant to applicant. The process could be as little as six months or as long as several years. The Special Agent Selection System (Phase I and Phase II Testing) is based on the applicant's competitiveness in the pool of candidates. If an applicant meets several of the FBI's critical skill needs, they are more likely to move quickly through the testing process. If an applicant does not meet any of the FBI's critical needs, however, it may take months or longer to be scheduled for testing.

In addition to the length of the Phase I and II testing process, the Physical Fitness Test, FBI Background Investigation, and Medical Evaluation will all impact the length of the application process. Each of these items can take a considerable amount of time to complete if any issues are encountered.

Note that 6 months is usually lateral hires from other agencies who already have an SSBI.

[dcpolitico]

No, they weren't.

Well, as far as I know DOJ jobs (Fed jobs in general) are very competitive and most go to graduates from top schools.

That sounds pretty general to me.

[03121202698008]

No, they weren't.

Well, as far as I know DOJ jobs (Fed jobs in general) are very competitive and most go to graduates from top schools.

That sounds pretty general to me.

He said DOJ Anti-trust division. I addressed both with the same response. HTH

[dcpolitico]

I'm referring to federal agents in general, not FBI Special Agents. An SF-85P clearance, for example, takes 3 weeks. And what type of legal skills could you even practice as an FBI special agent? They primarily do fact finding and fact gathering. This hardly requires any legal expertise.

[03121202698008]

I'm referring to federal agents in general, not FBI Special Agents. An SF-85P clearance, for example, takes 3 weeks. And what type of legal skills could you even practice as an FBI agent? They primarily do fact finding and fact gathering. This hardly requires any legal expertise.

You are the one who reference special agents at the FBI/NSA. You wouldn't need an 85P. You need a Secret/TS. A NACLAC for Secret takes 20 minutes to do but OPM is currently 10 months backlogged and this is the lowest it's been in 7 years. An SSBI for a TS takes months to years to complete based upon where you have lived and how quick the OPM investigator is.

Also, the bolded is laughable.

[dcpolitico]

To un-hijack this thread. . . all of the posters here continue to discount the extraordinary amount of connections that AU-WCL, relative to non-DC schools, will provide you if you are interested in the federal service, which includes the DOJ. You will have professors who are senators, former special prosecutors, legislative aids, OGC lawyers, and DOJ attorneys with strong connections at the DOJ Antitrust Division.

[270910]

To un-hijack this thread. . . all of the posters here continue to discount the extraordinary amount of connections that AU-WCL, relative to non-DC schools, will provide you if you are interested in the federal service, which includes the DOJ. You will have professors who are senators, former special prosecutors, legislative aids, OGC lawyers, and DOJ attorneys with strong connections at the DOJ Antitrust Division.

. . .

[dcpolitico]

@OP, if you choose AU-WCL, be sure to talk to this professor. He has given great advice to many AU-WCL who are interested in working at the DOJ. Also, PM me if you want more info.

[Always Credited]

Bullshit. These are perhaps some of the most uninformed responses on the entire TLS forum. Your chances of employment in public service after graduating from AU-WCL are excellent. Does anyone here know how many federal agencies exist in DC? Numerous PT students at AU-WCL are federal agents and many agencies, such as the FBI, NSA, USPTO, are actively seeking DC law students. Moreover, 80% of the adjunct faculty at AU-WCL work on Hill, and AU-WCL probably has a lock-down on legislative jobs. AU, however, does not have a lock-down on big law or judicial clerkships. But you are almost guaranteed a public service job coming from AU.

This post, as well as almost everything you've said in this thread, has no relevance whatsoever to the OP's question.

[dcpolitico]

This post, as well as almost everything you've said in this thread, has no relevance whatsoever to the OP's question.

OMG. The chances are "excellent" that the OP will get a job at the DOJ Antitrust Division, or another position in the federal service, if the OP earns a JD from AU-WCL.

@OP, please IM me if you want contact information of recent AU-WCL graduates working in your area of interest. I will do my best to get those for you, if appropriate.