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Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby stinger35 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:42 pm

I know this is a very debated question with no one really finding any concrete answers except those provided about how many credits are required and the few schools that explicitly prohibit PT transfers (as well as those who explicitly allow it such as Georgetown or Virginia).

Anyways, I was hoping to get any information from people have actually transferred from a PT to a T14 FT or if others have information about people who have. Really, I am just hoping for some frank information about whether or not it is even possible at schools that do not explicitly state they allow PT transfers. (For example, at Chicago, a admissions employee told me that while they "accept" PT applications, he has yet to see a PT applicant be accepted - at Michigan, the admissions office told me that PT students are at a disadvantage because of the smaller academic record that they are able to look at).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby XxSpyKEx » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:32 am

stinger35 wrote:I know this is a very debated question with no one really finding any concrete answers except those provided about how many credits are required and the few schools that explicitly prohibit PT transfers (as well as those who explicitly allow it such as Georgetown or Virginia).

Anyways, I was hoping to get any information from people have actually transferred from a PT to a T14 FT or if others have information about people who have. Really, I am just hoping for some frank information about whether or not it is even possible at schools that do not explicitly state they allow PT transfers. (For example, at Chicago, a admissions employee told me that while they "accept" PT applications, he has yet to see a PT applicant be accepted - at Michigan, the admissions office told me that PT students are at a disadvantage because of the smaller academic record that they are able to look at).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


I think the biggest thing you have to look at is the minimum credit hour threshold. If you are looking to transfer from PT to FT after your first year there will be a certain number of credits you need to complete and that is usually between 28-32. You cannot complete 28-32 attending PT your first year. However, it may be possible for you to complete all those credits if you attend your school your first year + the first summer. But this really depends on the school you attend (i.e. how many credits you can take each semester, whether the school even offers summer classes, etc) and the specific requirements of the school you would like to transfer to (meaning you need to go on their websites and find the information and for things that aren't there you need to call the school up and ask -- similar to what you have done for Chicago and Michigan).

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby king3780 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:44 pm

stinger35 wrote:I know this is a very debated question with no one really finding any concrete answers except those provided about how many credits are required and the few schools that explicitly prohibit PT transfers (as well as those who explicitly allow it such as Georgetown or Virginia).

Anyways, I was hoping to get any information from people have actually transferred from a PT to a T14 FT or if others have information about people who have. Really, I am just hoping for some frank information about whether or not it is even possible at schools that do not explicitly state they allow PT transfers. (For example, at Chicago, a admissions employee told me that while they "accept" PT applications, he has yet to see a PT applicant be accepted - at Michigan, the admissions office told me that PT students are at a disadvantage because of the smaller academic record that they are able to look at).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


I'm considering making the PT at one school to FT at another school switch also. The feasibility seems to depend on each school. I personally just contacted the schools I was interested in transferring to and clarified their policies. For example, my PT program is set up so that I won't have concluded the traditional first year classes until midway through the second year. My target school doesn't allow mid-year transfers, but will allow around 35 credits to transfer so I can take classes spring of my second year.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby stinger35 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:52 pm

king3780 wrote:
stinger35 wrote:I know this is a very debated question with no one really finding any concrete answers except those provided about how many credits are required and the few schools that explicitly prohibit PT transfers (as well as those who explicitly allow it such as Georgetown or Virginia).

Anyways, I was hoping to get any information from people have actually transferred from a PT to a T14 FT or if others have information about people who have. Really, I am just hoping for some frank information about whether or not it is even possible at schools that do not explicitly state they allow PT transfers. (For example, at Chicago, a admissions employee told me that while they "accept" PT applications, he has yet to see a PT applicant be accepted - at Michigan, the admissions office told me that PT students are at a disadvantage because of the smaller academic record that they are able to look at).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


I'm considering making the PT at one school to FT at another school switch also. The feasibility seems to depend on each school. I personally just contacted the schools I was interested in transferring to and clarified their policies. For example, my PT program is set up so that I won't have concluded the traditional first year classes until midway through the second year. My target school doesn't allow mid-year transfers, but will allow around 35 credits to transfer so I can take classes spring of my second year.


Im confused at what you mean by this? They don't allow mid year transfers but you could start taking classes there in the spring? I don't understand what this means

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby ZXCVBNM » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:15 pm

Opera Soprano posted this last year

Yale: a year's credits. No PT prohibition.

Harvard: No PT transfers

Stanford: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Columbia: Min 28 credits. No PT prohibition.

NYU: Min 28 credits, complete by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but it would be impossible to have more than 24 credits by July 1st.

Chicago: Early Decision and Regular Decision. 1 year of credits required by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but see above.

Michigan: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Berkeley: No PT transfers

Virginia: Explicitly PT friendly

Northwestern: Min 30 credits. No PT prohibition for high credit requirement

Duke: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Cornell: Up to 32 credits. No PT prohibition

GULC: Extremely PT friendly. 3 semesters of PT credits will do. Has a PT Program

UCLA: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Vandy: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

WUSTL: Min 22 credits. No PT prohibition

GW: Will accept fewer than 28 credits. No PT prohibition. Has a PT Program

Emory: Explicitly PT friendly

BC: No PT transfers

BU: Can transfer in Fall or Spring. No PT prohibition

My edit:

Most flexible schools for PT transfers: Virginia, GULC, GW, WUSTL, Emory, and BU.

Least flexible schools: Harvard, Berkeley and BC say no.

(Fordham itself is, of course, PT transfer friendly!)

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:00 pm

ZXCVBNM wrote:Opera Soprano posted this last year

Yale: a year's credits. No PT prohibition.

Harvard: No PT transfers

Stanford: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Columbia: Min 28 credits. No PT prohibition.

NYU: Min 28 credits, complete by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but it would be impossible to have more than 24 credits by July 1st.

Chicago: Early Decision and Regular Decision. 1 year of credits required by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but see above.

Michigan: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Berkeley: No PT transfers

Virginia: Explicitly PT friendly

Northwestern: Min 30 credits. No PT prohibition for high credit requirement

Duke: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Cornell: Up to 32 credits. No PT prohibition

GULC: Extremely PT friendly. 3 semesters of PT credits will do. Has a PT Program

UCLA: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Vandy: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

WUSTL: Min 22 credits. No PT prohibition

GW: Will accept fewer than 28 credits. No PT prohibition. Has a PT Program

Emory: Explicitly PT friendly

BC: No PT transfers

BU: Can transfer in Fall or Spring. No PT prohibition

My edit:

Most flexible schools for PT transfers: Virginia, GULC, GW, WUSTL, Emory, and BU.

Least flexible schools: Harvard, Berkeley and BC say no.

(Fordham itself is, of course, PT transfer friendly!)


You will want to check with schools directly, however. Some of them have changed policies since this was compiled.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby stinger35 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:39 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
ZXCVBNM wrote:Opera Soprano posted this last year

Yale: a year's credits. No PT prohibition.

Harvard: No PT transfers

Stanford: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Columbia: Min 28 credits. No PT prohibition.

NYU: Min 28 credits, complete by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but it would be impossible to have more than 24 credits by July 1st.

Chicago: Early Decision and Regular Decision. 1 year of credits required by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but see above.

Michigan: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Berkeley: No PT transfers

Virginia: Explicitly PT friendly

Northwestern: Min 30 credits. No PT prohibition for high credit requirement

Duke: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Cornell: Up to 32 credits. No PT prohibition

GULC: Extremely PT friendly. 3 semesters of PT credits will do. Has a PT Program

UCLA: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Vandy: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

WUSTL: Min 22 credits. No PT prohibition

GW: Will accept fewer than 28 credits. No PT prohibition. Has a PT Program

Emory: Explicitly PT friendly

BC: No PT transfers

BU: Can transfer in Fall or Spring. No PT prohibition

My edit:

Most flexible schools for PT transfers: Virginia, GULC, GW, WUSTL, Emory, and BU.

Least flexible schools: Harvard, Berkeley and BC say no.

(Fordham itself is, of course, PT transfer friendly!)


You will want to check with schools directly, however. Some of them have changed policies since this was compiled.


Yea, I caught this on those earlier threads. Thanks a lot for putting that together, I am sure it has helped tons of people. I tried to PM you to ask you if you had any other info, but since the list wasn't even for you personally, I am betting that you dont have any. Just wondering if anyone on TLS has heard of a TLS'er or even a TransferApps person who did in fact transfer from a PT program to a t14 as I hope to soon do. (As I said, schools like Chicago say they have not accepted anyone, Michigan claims it is a disadvantage and Northwestern claims that the requirement is actually a requirement.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:00 pm

stinger35 wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
ZXCVBNM wrote:Opera Soprano posted this last year

Yale: a year's credits. No PT prohibition.

Harvard: No PT transfers

Stanford: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Columbia: Min 28 credits. No PT prohibition.

NYU: Min 28 credits, complete by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but it would be impossible to have more than 24 credits by July 1st.

Chicago: Early Decision and Regular Decision. 1 year of credits required by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but see above.

Michigan: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Berkeley: No PT transfers

Virginia: Explicitly PT friendly

Northwestern: Min 30 credits. No PT prohibition for high credit requirement

Duke: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Cornell: Up to 32 credits. No PT prohibition

GULC: Extremely PT friendly. 3 semesters of PT credits will do. Has a PT Program

UCLA: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Vandy: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

WUSTL: Min 22 credits. No PT prohibition

GW: Will accept fewer than 28 credits. No PT prohibition. Has a PT Program

Emory: Explicitly PT friendly

BC: No PT transfers

BU: Can transfer in Fall or Spring. No PT prohibition

My edit:

Most flexible schools for PT transfers: Virginia, GULC, GW, WUSTL, Emory, and BU.

Least flexible schools: Harvard, Berkeley and BC say no.

(Fordham itself is, of course, PT transfer friendly!)


You will want to check with schools directly, however. Some of them have changed policies since this was compiled.


Yea, I caught this on those earlier threads. Thanks a lot for putting that together, I am sure it has helped tons of people. I tried to PM you to ask you if you had any other info, but since the list wasn't even for you personally, I am betting that you dont have any. Just wondering if anyone on TLS has heard of a TLS'er or even a TransferApps person who did in fact transfer from a PT program to a t14 as I hope to soon do. (As I said, schools like Chicago say they have not accepted anyone, Michigan claims it is a disadvantage and Northwestern claims that the requirement is actually a requirement.


I have a huge backlog of PMs, unfortunately, but I am working on it! Some schools are a lot more flexible than others. Anecdotally I have heard of it at CLS, but again, you would want to contact them. It seems there are fewer data points, anyway, since PT students are less likely to want to transfer, for a whole host of reasons. If your grades are completely awesome, and the school has no outright prohibition, you might be in luck. Going PT does limit your transfer options, but transferring is a low probability move in any case. Going to school X with the intention of graduating from school Y is a horrible idea. That said, if you can make yourself stand out for reasons not listed on your transcript, you may have a good shot. All we really have are stories that have been passed around the internet, and whatever the schools themselves tell you.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby stinger35 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:09 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
stinger35 wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
ZXCVBNM wrote:Opera Soprano posted this last year

Yale: a year's credits. No PT prohibition.

Harvard: No PT transfers

Stanford: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Columbia: Min 28 credits. No PT prohibition.

NYU: Min 28 credits, complete by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but it would be impossible to have more than 24 credits by July 1st.

Chicago: Early Decision and Regular Decision. 1 year of credits required by July 1st. No PT prohibition, but see above.

Michigan: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Berkeley: No PT transfers

Virginia: Explicitly PT friendly

Northwestern: Min 30 credits. No PT prohibition for high credit requirement

Duke: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Cornell: Up to 32 credits. No PT prohibition

GULC: Extremely PT friendly. 3 semesters of PT credits will do. Has a PT Program

UCLA: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

Vandy: a year's credits. No PT prohibition

WUSTL: Min 22 credits. No PT prohibition

GW: Will accept fewer than 28 credits. No PT prohibition. Has a PT Program

Emory: Explicitly PT friendly

BC: No PT transfers

BU: Can transfer in Fall or Spring. No PT prohibition

My edit:

Most flexible schools for PT transfers: Virginia, GULC, GW, WUSTL, Emory, and BU.

Least flexible schools: Harvard, Berkeley and BC say no.

(Fordham itself is, of course, PT transfer friendly!)


You will want to check with schools directly, however. Some of them have changed policies since this was compiled.


Yea, I caught this on those earlier threads. Thanks a lot for putting that together, I am sure it has helped tons of people. I tried to PM you to ask you if you had any other info, but since the list wasn't even for you personally, I am betting that you dont have any. Just wondering if anyone on TLS has heard of a TLS'er or even a TransferApps person who did in fact transfer from a PT program to a t14 as I hope to soon do. (As I said, schools like Chicago say they have not accepted anyone, Michigan claims it is a disadvantage and Northwestern claims that the requirement is actually a requirement.


I have a huge backlog of PMs, unfortunately, but I am working on it! Some schools are a lot more flexible than others. Anecdotally I have heard of it at CLS, but again, you would want to contact them. It seems there are fewer data points, anyway, since PT students are less likely to want to transfer, for a whole host of reasons. If your grades are completely awesome, and the school has no outright prohibition, you might be in luck. Going PT does limit your transfer options, but transferring is a low probability move in any case. Going to school X with the intention of graduating from school Y is a horrible idea. That said, if you can make yourself stand out for reasons not listed on your transcript, you may have a good shot. All we really have are stories that have been passed around the internet, and whatever the schools themselves tell you.


Thanks for getting back to me, totally understandable about the PM backlog. I heard the going to school X with intention of going to school Y piece of advice several times before law school and definitely took it to heart. I love my law school and its rank (70's) isnt the worst thing in the world. However, I recently received first semester grades (3.9, top 1-3%) and started thinking about transferring. I didn't even let the thought cross my mind until I got the grades that would warrant the thoughts and now that I have, finding the information has been difficult, as I am sure you found out. Also, forgive my ignorance but which school does CLS stand for? To be honest, all I am looking for is internet stories told about PT's that did transfer to FT at a t14 to 1. give me hope and 2. convince me that spending the money on applications is worth it. If I do not get into Chicago's early decision program, I really have no preference and would apply to just about all schools from 4-14, so that would be a lot of money to apply to them just to find out that it is completely impossible to actually get in. So, long story short, those are the type of stories I am interested in, just to know that it can be done, haha. Thanks again for the help with all this, albeit in a round-a-bout way.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:21 pm

stinger35 wrote:Thanks for getting back to me, totally understandable about the PM backlog. I heard the going to school X with intention of going to school Y piece of advice several times before law school and definitely took it to heart. I love my law school and its rank (70's) isnt the worst thing in the world. However, I recently received first semester grades (3.9, top 1-3%) and started thinking about transferring. I didn't even let the thought cross my mind until I got the grades that would warrant the thoughts and now that I have, finding the information has been difficult, as I am sure you found out. Also, forgive my ignorance but which school does CLS stand for? To be honest, all I am looking for is internet stories told about PT's that did transfer to FT at a t14 to 1. give me hope and 2. convince me that spending the money on applications is worth it. If I do not get into Chicago's early decision program, I really have no preference and would apply to just about all schools from 4-14, so that would be a lot of money to apply to them just to find out that it is completely impossible to actually get in. So, long story short, those are the type of stories I am interested in, just to know that it can be done, haha. Thanks again for the help with all this, albeit in a round-a-bout way.


First, Congratulations! That is epic. Do you want to work in the region immediately surrounding your school? If the answer is yes, you are likely golden, and you don't have to put yourself through this. If you're sure you want to do it, don't spend the money until you talk to each school. Some of them mean what they say, and will not consider you with < 28 credits. If I were in your position, I would honestly focus on UVA. Their quality of life is wonderful, though I would have difficulty living there because I don't drive. FTR, CLS = Columbia Law. The CLS deadline does fall after most summer classes end.

Good luck, and I hope you'll continue to do well wherever you end up! (I really want to see my other grade. My god this waiting is not fun.)

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby king3780 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:35 am

stinger35 wrote:
king3780 wrote:
stinger35 wrote:I know this is a very debated question with no one really finding any concrete answers except those provided about how many credits are required and the few schools that explicitly prohibit PT transfers (as well as those who explicitly allow it such as Georgetown or Virginia).

Anyways, I was hoping to get any information from people have actually transferred from a PT to a T14 FT or if others have information about people who have. Really, I am just hoping for some frank information about whether or not it is even possible at schools that do not explicitly state they allow PT transfers. (For example, at Chicago, a admissions employee told me that while they "accept" PT applications, he has yet to see a PT applicant be accepted - at Michigan, the admissions office told me that PT students are at a disadvantage because of the smaller academic record that they are able to look at).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


I'm considering making the PT at one school to FT at another school switch also. The feasibility seems to depend on each school. I personally just contacted the schools I was interested in transferring to and clarified their policies. For example, my PT program is set up so that I won't have concluded the traditional first year classes until midway through the second year. My target school doesn't allow mid-year transfers, but will allow around 35 credits to transfer so I can take classes spring of my second year.


Im confused at what you mean by this? They don't allow mid year transfers but you could start taking classes there in the spring? I don't understand what this means


I meant if you want to transfer from school A to school B, you can take classes in the spring at school A that will count for credits at school B. Sometimes school B will have a cap on the number of credits it accepts.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby udonisandtrinity » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:41 am

[quote="king3780"][quote="stinger35"][quote="king3780"][quote="stinger35"]I know this is a very debated question with no one really finding any concrete answers except those provided about how many credits are required and the few schools that explicitly prohibit PT transfers (as well as those who explicitly allow it such as Georgetown or Virginia).
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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby jennamc_85 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:35 pm

This is directly from Harvard's web site:

Applicants for transfer admission must have completed one year of full-time study in a JD program (or one third of total credits required in a part-time program) at a United States law school that is accredited by the American Bar Association (ABA). Students may apply for transfer to begin the second year of JD studies in the fall semester only.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/ ... index.html

Edit: just realized this thread is a year old

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby mardimar » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:47 pm

Solution: take summer classes.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby jarofsoup » Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:06 pm

Does any one have links to updated resources on this topic? Please PM if you do.

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Postby PKSebben » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:09 pm

jarofsoup wrote:Does any one have links to updated resources on this topic? Please PM if you do.


or just post the answer in this thread because that's sort of the point of a message board

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby hopefulIPgirl » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:16 am

An update to this topic.

Successful transfer application from T2 (rank #1) to Berkeley after two years of part-time. I have 40 credits, and will likely lose 8 of those in the transfer process. It will still take another 2 years to graduate.

I'm really on the fence about going though, but that debate belongs in a different topic.

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Postby rogermurdoch » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:13 pm

hopefulIPgirl wrote:An update to this topic.

Successful transfer application from T2 (rank #1) to Berkeley after two years of part-time. I have 40 credits, and will likely lose 8 of those in the transfer process. It will still take another 2 years to graduate.

I'm really on the fence about going though, but that debate belongs in a different topic.

Congrats on Berkeley. Did you apply anywhere else? I'm at 37 hours and I have apps in to CLS and Harvard.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby hopefulIPgirl » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:26 pm

rogermurdoch wrote:
hopefulIPgirl wrote:An update to this topic.

Successful transfer application from T2 (rank #1) to Berkeley after two years of part-time. I have 40 credits, and will likely lose 8 of those in the transfer process. It will still take another 2 years to graduate.

I'm really on the fence about going though, but that debate belongs in a different topic.

Congrats on Berkeley. Did you apply anywhere else? I'm at 37 hours and I have apps in to CLS and Harvard.


Geographically bound to the bay area, so I applied only to Berkeley and Stanford. Stanford is not going to happen though, barring major divine intervention.

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Re: Transferring PT at 1 school to FT at another

Postby LS-boundNYC » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:39 pm

hopefulIPgirl wrote:An update to this topic.

Successful transfer application from T2 (rank #1) to Berkeley after two years of part-time. I have 40 credits, and will likely lose 8 of those in the transfer process. It will still take another 2 years to graduate.

I'm really on the fence about going though, but that debate belongs in a different topic.


This is helpful information - I wish I could have found something like it before this cycle. Hopefully we can get a few people to add onto this thread for people looking in the future.

I'm 2 years PT, too. In at Mich so far. Will update later if CLS, Harvard, or Chicago bite.




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