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NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:30 am

Surprised we don’t have this up yet, but alas, it’s time to start thinking about the madness that is soon to come.
Keeping with tradition, this thread will be discussion about bidlists, screener results, and callbacks. Bidlists are due on to OCS by June 10th (noon) if you want them to review and comment on your preliminary list.

Let’s get it done!

NYU 2014 EIW: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=231414&hilit=NYU+EIW+2014
NYU EIW 2013: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=211936
NYU EIW 2012: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=189752


Please Use Anonymous Handles

We all want to maintain some privacy during this process. That said, it is also nice to keep track of who is saying what. I’m going to recommend that everyone pick a handle to sign their anonymous posts with (you obviously don’t have to) so that we can keep track of one another.

Bidding

The basics of bidlist stuff should be straightforward even if you’re not Socrates: if you think other people are more likely to bid on a firm, you should bid it high. Firms that are less grade-selective or that have fewer interview spots are more competitive, so you should probably rank them higher. Don’t rank a firm high just because you want it, but if you really want a particular firm it might be good to rank it high for your peace of mind. Finally, you should probably avoid spreading your bids out between multiple markets unless you have strong ties to all of those markets. We’ve all seen the data: there are just more jobs in New York, so NY is a solid backup for folks who are trying to head to California, Chicago or DC.

Callbacks

Once we’re at least part way through the first rings of interviewing hell, people will get callbacks. In past years, people would post the firm name and the initials of the person who interviewed them when they received a callback so that people would know that callbacks had gone out.

Good luck.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:43 pm

Do NYU kids just not gaf? columbia has like 4 pages of discussion and hard cutoffs for what slot you need to place a certain firm to avoid missing it in the lotto. We have nothing?

Also for any NYU students relying on data from the Columbia thread, I caution you -- the numbers are not the same. I.e. you need to bid Proskaur #1 to get it at Columbia, but I doubt that's equally true at NYU.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:24 pm

Might as well throw this out there. Any feedback would be appreciated. GPA is 3.21, interested in Corp. and have some good but tangential WE that I think I can spin.

1 Sidley
2 Wilkie Farr
3 Akin Gump
4 Weil Gotshal
5 Cadwalader
6 Shearman
7 Skadden
8 Proskauer
9 Paul Hastings
10 Morgan Lewis
11 Mayer Brown (Chi)
12 Cahill
13 Schulte
14 Fried Frank
15 Ropes & Gray
16 Stroock
17 Dechert
18 Schiff (Chi)
19 Jones Day (Chi)
20 Winston Strawn (Chi)
21 Chadbourne
22 Foley (Chi)
23 Carter Leyard
24 Latham (Chi)
25 Morrison Foerster
26 Baker McKenzie (Chi)
27 McDermott
28 K&L Gates
29 Kaye Scholer
30 Kramer Levin
31 Millbank
32 Freshfields
33 Clifford Chance
34 Hogan Lovells
35 Hughes Hubbard
36 Linklaters
37 O’Melveny
38 Orrick
39 Pillsbury
40 Simpson Thacher
41 Seward
42 White and Case
43 Greenberg
44 Wilmerhale
45 Allen & Overy
46 Kirkland
47 King & Spaulding
48 Goodwin Procter
49 Cleary
50 Jenner & Block
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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:02 am

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:54 am

To the person who posted his or her bid list above:

You will definitely not get Proskauer, Linklaters, and Kirkland where you have them now. Proskauer and Linklaters have to be at least among your top 5 bids. People missed Linklaters at 5 and Proskauer at 3 last year. Also, I'm pretty sure you won't get White & Case where you have it now.

I heard mixed things about Skadden. Some say it has to be top 10, but others say you could put it at the end and still get it like Cravath.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:09 am

One week to go and my bid list is still changing daily. Ugh.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:19 am

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:14 pm

3.1 here. Hoping my list is not too aggressive. Need to fix it up.

Rank Firm Name
1 Baker & McKenzie LLP
2 Paul Hastings LLP
3 Proskauer Rose LLP
4 Sidley Austin LLP
5 Linklaters
6 Shearman & Sterling LLP
7 O'Melveny & [deleted] LLP (New York, NY - Transactional ONLY)
8 Mayer Brown LLP
9 Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP
10 White & Case LLP
11 Ropes & Gray LLP
12 Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP
13 Arnold & Porter LLP
14 Clifford Chance US LLP
15 Goodwin Procter LLP
16 Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
17 Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson LLP
18 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP
19 Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP
20 Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP
21 Dechert LLP
22 Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer US LLP
23 Kaye Scholer LLP
24 Jones Day
25 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP
26 Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP
27 Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP
28 Seward & Kissel LLP
29 Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel LLP
30 Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP
31 Reed Smith LLP
32 Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP
33 Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP
34 Curtis, Mallet-Prevost, Colt & Mosle LLP
35 Chadbourne & Parke LLP
36 Hogan Lovells US LLP
37 Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP
38 King & Spalding
39 DLA Piper LLP
40 Alston & Bird LLP
41 Hunton & Williams LLP
42 Dentons US LLP
43 Greenberg Traurig LLP
44 Norton Rose Fulbright
45 Holland & Knight LLP
46 Kasowitz Benson Torres & Friedman LLP
47 Venable LLP
48 Brown Rudnick LLP
49 K&L Gates LLP
50 Baker & Hostetler LLP

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:31 pm

Take my comment with a grain of salt, as I am not an expert. More experienced people can correct me.

To the 3.89 person:

I don't think any bid list that has more than a dozen NYC firms is too aggressive for you at this point. Besides, you have Freshfields and Willkie high enough to have them as "safety" firms, if you ever need one. All the top NYC firms have large classes, and if you are such a bad interviewer that none of them wants you, chances are none of the supposedly "lower" firms will want you either. You should practice your interview skills as much as possible this summer, and I'm sure you'll get many offers.

To the 3.1 person:

I assume you mean New York, so in that case Baker & McKenzie might be too small to waste the number 1 bid on. Also, you have 3 firms in the top 10 (Sidley, Weil, White & Case) that do dip well below median but still tend to take people more from above 3.4. I think the rational choice is to cut at least Sidley, which is the smallest.

I would call the OCS, aggressively ask (with the tuition you are burdened with, you are entitled in every way to demand some useful information at least) for the firms that tend to be generous to the below-median people and give those firms priority in your bid list.

Also, I think you need to bid other cities as well if you want to bid on 50 firms; otherwise you are limited to only 40 firms.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby barrelofmonkeys » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:47 pm

just here to watch

good luck friends!

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:43 pm

Also, I think you need to bid other cities as well if you want to bid on 50 firms; otherwise you are limited to only 40 firms.


That actually changed this year. New policy because supposedly people would bid cities they really weren't that interested in just to have the option to bid 50.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:34 pm

I've heard Skadden needs to be pretty high. Probably not top 5 but I think top 15 is safe.


Also I don't think it's possible for you to be 'too aggressive' with a 3.89. You're clearly above every firm's hiring average so you can put literally whatever you want. Unless I'm missing something...

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:47 pm

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby BizBro » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:34 pm

Tag, less than a week until bids are due.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Do NYU kids just not gaf? columbia has like 4 pages of discussion and hard cutoffs for what slot you need to place a certain firm to avoid missing it in the lotto. We have nothing?

Also for any NYU students relying on data from the Columbia thread, I caution you -- the numbers are not the same. I.e. you need to bid Proskaur #1 to get it at Columbia, but I doubt that's equally true at NYU.

If you really want Proskauer, you should bid it #1.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:56 pm

To the 3.61 person:

I'm positive you will not get Paul Hastings, Dechert, Ropes & Gray, Shearman, and Sidley where you have them now. Also, you might be taking an excessive risk with respect to Jones Day and Paul Weiss in the 30's (my impression from studying past threads on the topic is that they are relatively more popular than peer firms).

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:59 pm

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:08 pm

To Starbucks Lover:

Because the OCS reveals so little about exactly where the firms clear, I don't think anyone can really tell you which of those firms will clear below, say, top 20. In fact, because people are only vaguely informed about how high to bid the firms (hence their choices being more unpredictable), I bet even the OCS can't tell for sure. I don't want to give any misleading advice. I think a lot will depend on which firms the OCS is recommending to the below-median people (who make up about 200 of the class) to bid for target or reach.

On another note, I saw in the CLS thread that you might get an interview or CB with Boies Schiller by mailing them or something, so that you don't have to use your EIW bid on them in that case. You might want to PM the CLS 2L's and 3L's in that thread to ask for further information. The credentials required for that might be really high, though.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:03 am

Thanks for that, much appreciated.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:01 am

I'd love some feedback on my list. 3.3, hoping to work in DC but targeting NY/DC equally just to be safe. I want to do international arbitration but I'm also looking at some firms/offices that are great for FCPA or international trade. I networked like crazy in spring so I don't think arbitration will be impossible for me to break into (although most of my contacts are in NY, unfortunately).

* = firms I really want an interview at; I'm especially interested in feedback on whether I'm definitely going to miss out on one of them based on not ranking it highly enough.

1. Freshfields - DC (16)*
2. Simpson Thacher - DC (21, split w/ LA)*
3. Linklaters - NY (39)*
4. Arnold & Porter - DC (42)*
5. Arnold & Porter - NY (58)*
6. Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher - DC (21)
7. Akin Gump - DC (42)*
8. Baker & McKenzie - NY (20)*
9. Jones Day - DC (21)
10. White & Case - NY (77)*
11. King & Spalding - DC (21)*
12. Hogan Lovells - NY (77)*
13. Ropes & Gray - DC (116, split w/ all offices)
14. Sidley Austin - DC (21)
15. Foley Hoag - DC, International Litigation and Arbitration Practice Only (21)*
16. DLA Piper - SF (12, split w/ other CA offices)
17. Akin Gump - NY (115)
18. Shearman & Sterling - NY (115)*
19. Paul Hastings - DC (10)
20. Clifford Chance - NY (77)*
21. Weil, Gotshal & Manges - NY (77)
22. Dechert - DC (21, split w/ Philly)
23. King & Spalding - NY (39)
24. Hughes Hubbard & Reed - DC (21)
25. Hughes Hubbard & Reed - NY (58)
26. Covington & Burling - DC (42)
27. O'Melveny & [deleted] - DC (21)
28. Skadden - NY (115)*
29. Latham & Watkins - NY (163)*
30. Debevoise & Plimpton - NY (154)*
31. Sidley Austin - NY (77)
32. Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe - SF (21)
33. Herbert Smith Freehills - NY, Global Disputes/Litigation Only (39)
34. Steptoe & Johnson - DC (21)
35. WilmerHale - DC (42)
36. Fried Frank - DC (21)
37. Norton Rose Fulbright - NY (39)
38. Pillsbury Winthrop - DC (21, split w/ VA office)
39. Bryan Cave - NY (39)
40. Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft - DC (12)
41. Skadden - London (21)
42. Chadbourne & Parke - NY (96)
43. Kirkland & Ellis - SF (21)
44. Fried Frank - NY (115)
45. Cleary Gottlieb - NY (192)
46. Allen & Overy - London (21, split w/ Asia offices)
47. Dechert - London (21)
48. Clifford Chance - London, Capital Markets Only (21)
49. Kirkland & Ellis - London, Capital Markets Only (15)
[50 is gov't]

I'm also planning to contact the DC offices of some of the NY firms on my list (ones that won't be at EIW) - White & Case, Skadden, Clifford Chance, Kirkland, Weil, and Quinn Emanuel.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:41 am

Jetsetterette,

Any ties to DC or W/E of any kind?

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:16 am

I'm the 3.1 who posted above. Thanks for the response. I've updated my list based on advice I've gotten.

Got rid of several reaches and moved up some of the more popular firms. Having a 3.1,it’s hard balancing the firms that are LEAST grade conscientious (which have small summer classes) with firms that are still not that selective, but have larger summer classes and are better firms and therefore, more popular and likely to clear. I'm especially not sure how to order the ones between 13 and 23 which seem very similar.

What I would love to know is if there are any in my top 25 that I am unlikely to score a screener with? Any advice for moving any stuff around? Also, I have no idea what to put at the bottom of my list, that I can actually still get that low. Firms I’m thinking about include Duane Morris, Briar Cashman, Arent Fox, V&E, Bracewell.

Updated list:
Rank Firm Name
1 Paul Hastings LLP
2 Proskauer Rose LLP
3 Linklaters
4 Sidley Austin LLP
5 Shearman & Sterling LLP
6 Mayer Brown LLP
7 King & Spalding
8 Reed Smith LLP
9 Ropes & Gray LLP
10 Goodwin Procter LLP
11 Kaye Scholer LLP
12 Holland & Knight LLP
13 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP
14 Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson LLP
15 Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP
16 Clifford Chance US LLP
17 Hogan Lovells US LLP
18 Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
19 Dechert LLP
20 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP
21 Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP
22 Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP
23 Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP
24 Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP
25 Seward & Kissel LLP
26 Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel LLP
27 Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP
28 Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP
29 Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP
30 Curtis, Mallet-Prevost, Colt & Mosle LLP
31 Chadbourne & Parke LLP
32 Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP
33 DLA Piper LLP
34 Alston & Bird LLP
35 Hunton & Williams LLP
36 Dentons US LLP
37 Greenberg Traurig LLP
38 Norton Rose Fulbright
39 Kasowitz Benson Torres & Friedman LLP
40 Venable LLP
41 Brown Rudnick LLP
42 K&L Gates LLP
43 Baker & Hostetler LLP

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:04 pm

This is cracking me up too. 4 days before our bid lists are due, and we haven't even hit a 2nd page of posts yet? Are we lazy? Or less neurotic? No - just more badass. Honey badger just don't give a fuck 8)

Anonymous User wrote:Do NYU kids just not gaf? columbia has like 4 pages of discussion and hard cutoffs for what slot you need to place a certain firm to avoid missing it in the lotto. We have nothing?

Also for any NYU students relying on data from the Columbia thread, I caution you -- the numbers are not the same. I.e. you need to bid Proskaur #1 to get it at Columbia, but I doubt that's equally true at NYU.


That having been said, I'll be posting a bid list shortly.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:28 pm

People who have been through EIW before, what's the best strategy for bidding a small secondary market? I really want to work in a specific location that has only a few firms coming (fewer than 10) for EIW. Do I have to bid them all very high on my list to get an interview, or should I be putting desirable NYC alternatives 1-10 on my list with my target secondary market firms at 10-20? The thinking is that there will be less competition for the secondary market firm interviews. Also, I'm sub-median, so I need to bid strategically.

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Re: NYU EIW Madness 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:39 pm

Let me know what you guys think of this list. It's a little schizophrenic, with the weird split with DC. I'm honestly not sure how high/low to rank some of the DC firms. Kind of threw some in there and hoping a few will stick, since I'm not really sure what to do with bids 20-30 anyway. I also really have no idea what to do with those last like 10 spots at all.

3.4x cumulative, but dramatic grade increase from first semester to 2nd (3.2 to 3.65ish), so hoping that will work in my favor with some of my reaches. Great work experience pre-law school, science undergrad major, 1L summer job that seems to resonate with a lot of firms. Interested in transactional but want to get a taste of lit as well. Very solid interviewer - I hesitate to say great because that makes me sound like a tool, but definitely objectively quite good. Bolded are the firms I absolutely don't want to miss.

Thanks!

1. Proskaeur Rose
2. Sidley Austin
3. Ropes & Gray
4. Skadden
5. paul hastings
6. Weil
7. Shearman
8. milbank
9. Arnold & Porter
10. Mayer Brown

11. White & Case
12. O’ Melveny & [deleted]
13. Akin Gump
14. Gibson Dunn
15. Debevoise
16. cadwalader
17. Arnold & Porter DC
18. Akin Gump DC
19. Fried Frank?
20. Paul Weiss
21. Hogan Lovells
22. Wilkie
23. jones day
24. latham
25. Cahill gordon
26. gibson dunnDC
27. jones day DC
28. Freshfields ny&dc&london
29. Allen & ovary
30. Simpson thatcher
31. Covington
32. clifford chance
33. Cleary Gottlieb
34. Hogan Lovells DC
35. Orick
36. Davis Polk
37. morgan lewis
38. Paul Weiss DC
39. Cravath
40. Cleary dc
41. fried frank DC
42. Kaye Scholer
43. Stroock
44. Greenberg Traurig
45. Simpson Thatcher UK?
46. Dechert
47. Skadden asia




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