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Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:02 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, let the festivities begin. This thread exists to discuss bidding, callbacks, markets, etc.

More info to be posted soon, poll attached!

Interview Schedule released Tue July 14th: New Poll Added!

July 22: New Poll Added, because I'm bored
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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:04 pm

..... this should be interesting

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:16 pm

This is what its all about! One way or the other, we're about to feel a lot better, or a lot lot worse. :wink:

I'd love to work on my bid list if professors felt like giving me my grades before I die of old age.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:20 pm

Anonymous User wrote:This is what its all about! One way or the other, we're about to feel a lot better, or a lot lot worse. :wink:

I'd love to work on my bid list if professors felt like giving me my grades before I die of old age.


So true. Still waiting on one too. I have 0 clue where to even start on a bid list. I should probably figure that out somewhat soon haha.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:42 pm

I'm still waiting on THREE

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:10 pm

Tagging for sure. Good luck Quakers.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:26 pm

I feel like I have no idea what I'm doing. Anyone know when we might hear back about what journal we are on? Also wondering if jounrals would influence bidding strategies.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:15 pm

Hi everyone, my name is Anonymous and I'm an alcoholic.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Hi everyone, my name is Anonymous and I'm an alcoholic.


We are probably friends.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:29 pm

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We are probably friends.


Well this is awkward.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:30 pm

What's our median GPA again?

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What's our median GPA again?


Somewhere in the 3.2x area.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby UpandDown97 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:39 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:What's our median GPA again?


Somewhere in the 3.2x area.


Would 2 B+s and 1 B per semester get you median?

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:45 pm

UpandDown97 wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:What's our median GPA again?


Somewhere in the 3.2x area.


Would 2 B+s and 1 B per semester get you median?


There are a total of 7 grades going into OCI. Just average your grades if you are over 3.2 and under 3.3 you are roughly median.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:26 pm

Just kidding, you can have the grades back :oops:

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:47 pm

Am i reading the bid % wrong or is this spreadsheet just messed up??

If a firm has a bid success of 10% and they interview 60 people, doesn't that suggest there were 600 bids? What am i doing wrong here?

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby ymmv » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:14 am

Anonymous User wrote:Am i reading the bid % wrong or is this spreadsheet just messed up??

If a firm has a bid success of 10% and they interview 60 people, doesn't that suggest there were 600 bids? What am i doing wrong here?


Yeah that doesn't sound right. Unless they interviewed far fewer than 60 people in previous years.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:18 am

How serious are firms about these grade stipulations? Seeing a lot of mediocre firms throwing out top 15% like it's candy.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby ymmv » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:33 am

Anonymous User wrote:How serious are firms about these grade stipulations? Seeing a lot of mediocre firms throwing out top 15% like it's candy.


Ignore that completely. Look at the actual grade breakdown for Penn students bidding last year.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:53 am

Would it be silly to do a grade survey? There is a lot of speculation buzzing around, but no hard data. We need a large enough sample so the data won’t be much help until a lot of people add to the survey ... but could be useful, no?

Is there a way to ensure that only current Penn students can see/post? I’d hate to undermine the school’s efforts to keep our number as opaque as possible given that this certainly works in our favor.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:02 am

You find out about journals near the end of July, about a week and a half before OCI.

Good luck to you all--you'll be fine.

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:53 am

ymmv wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:How serious are firms about these grade stipulations? Seeing a lot of mediocre firms throwing out top 15% like it's candy.


Ignore that completely. Look at the actual grade breakdown for Penn students bidding last year.


To some extent those numbers (the pie charts) will be inflated as well. First, the charts reflect the last three years. Firms seem to be casting a wider and wider net over the last three years. This probably doesn't inflate the numbers by much though. Second, the chart reflects offers, not acceptances. Thus, the grades of people who were offered/accepted at the most selective firms are represented. This probably causes a lot of inflation (especially around the lower ranks).

I took a brief look at the ABA numbers since 2010 to try to get an idea of just how successful Penn is at Biglaw (or 101+) insertion. Here are the results. Please know that I am aware that this is not completely indicative of OCI success (people get jobs outside OCI), but it is nonetheless very informative (I think).

% of Class @ 101-501+ (Not taking into account adjustments for clerks/academics/public interest people)
2010-58%
2011-58%
2012-65%
2013-56%
2014-70%
% of Class @ 101-501+ (Adjusting for clerks/academics/public interest people)
2010-70%
2011-69%
2012-77%
2013-67%
2014-84% (Whoa!) FYI, this # is 78% for 251-501+. Not bad.

I am looking for feedback. I realize that subtracting clerks/academics/PIs from the class size is subjective. I figure these people are capable of getting Biglaw but do not bother with the exception of some state court clerks who represent a small fraction of our clerkships (see the ABA clerk numbers for the last five years). Adjusting for the handful of state clerks wouldn't change the numbers all that much. For example, it would change the 84% (immediately above) to roughly 82% assuming 10% of clerks can't get Biglaw jobs.

Thoughts?

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby greenchair » Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:53 pm

Tag. Good luck all!

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby Clearly » Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:22 pm

Tag

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Re: Penn OCI 2015 (C/O 2017)

Postby UpandDown97 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
ymmv wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:How serious are firms about these grade stipulations? Seeing a lot of mediocre firms throwing out top 15% like it's candy.


Ignore that completely. Look at the actual grade breakdown for Penn students bidding last year.


To some extent those numbers (the pie charts) will be inflated as well. First, the charts reflect the last three years. Firms seem to be casting a wider and wider net over the last three years. This probably doesn't inflate the numbers by much though. Second, the chart reflects offers, not acceptances. Thus, the grades of people who were offered/accepted at the most selective firms are represented. This probably causes a lot of inflation (especially around the lower ranks).

I took a brief look at the ABA numbers since 2010 to try to get an idea of just how successful Penn is at Biglaw (or 101+) insertion. Here are the results. Please know that I am aware that this is not completely indicative of OCI success (people get jobs outside OCI), but it is nonetheless very informative (I think).

% of Class @ 101-501+ (Not taking into account adjustments for clerks/academics/public interest people)
2010-58%
2011-58%
2012-65%
2013-56%
2014-70%
% of Class @ 101-501+ (Adjusting for clerks/academics/public interest people)
2010-70%
2011-69%
2012-77%
2013-67%
2014-84% (Whoa!) FYI, this # is 78% for 251-501+. Not bad.

I am looking for feedback. I realize that subtracting clerks/academics/PIs from the class size is subjective. I figure these people are capable of getting Biglaw but do not bother with the exception of some state court clerks who represent a small fraction of our clerkships (see the ABA clerk numbers for the last five years). Adjusting for the handful of state clerks wouldn't change the numbers all that much. For example, it would change the 84% (immediately above) to roughly 82% assuming 10% of clerks can't get Biglaw jobs.

Thoughts?


No reason to take out government, clerks or PI people at all. Even the business jobs can probably be added in too.




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