UChicago OCI 2014 Forum

[Anonymous User]

COLUMBIA CALLBACK -> OFFER RATIOS (AND OTHER DATA)

CALLBACK REPORT SPREADSHEET (USE IT)

WHEN POSTING A BIDLIST TO GET ADVICE, PLEASE INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:

Form that would be helpful for future questions (you don't have to use it, but it'll help the people trying to help you). Under Misc put other info you think may be helpful for us--any idiosyncratic preference you may have. Under bidlist provide city of office / # of interview spots / expected incoming SAs (ex for New York/ 42 interviews / 30 incoming SAs: NY/42/30)


Grades:
URM/Female:
Work Exp:
Preferred Market:
Practice Area:
Misc:
Bid list:

Please post in this thread when you get a callback or ding, so that people know a firm has started giving callbacks or dings. This should, where possible, include the firm name, the office (e.g. LA, DC), the method of notification (phone call, email, owl), and your approximate GPA. If an invitation for a reception or dinner is given, please mention it in your post. It will also be helpful to future classes to post bid lists and what firms you successfully bid on and those you didn't.

Advice from people who already went through this process is welcome and appreciated, too. If you haven't yet seen it, this thread is a treasure trove of helpful advice: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=222167


Important dates:
Bidding: July 24th (12:30PM) - August 1st (12:00PM)
Interview schedule released: August 7th
Orientation: August 18th (10AM)
Interviews: August 19-August 28

Previous Threads
2013: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=212871
2012: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=190405
2011: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=161763

Good luck everyone!

Notes:

Everyone who is considering Chicago should think carefully about whether they want to bid on Winston & Strawn after they screwed 2/3 of their summer class in the 2012 summer.

Firms by expected # of 2014 2L Summers, per NALP

Chicago

Kirkland & Ellis LLP 42
mayer brown llp 40
sidley austin llp 33
Skadden Arps Slate Meagher & Flom LLP 27
schiff hardin llp 23
Jones Day 20
Winston & Strawn LLP 18
K&L Gates LLP 15
Jenner & Block LLP 14
katten muchin rosenman llp 14
Latham & Watkins LLP 12
Baker & McKenzie 7
chapman and cutler llp 7
Greenberg Traurig 5
McDonnell Boehnen Hulbert & Berghoff LLP 5
Reed Smith LLP 5
Ropes & Gray LLP 5
Dentons US LLP 4
dykema gossett pllc 4
Foley & Lardner LLP 4
Marshall Gerstein & Borun LLP 4
proskauer rose llp 4
Bryan Cave LLP 3
mcguirewoods LLP 3
Perkins Coie LLP 3
Quarles & Brady 3
Dechert LLP 2
Edwards Wildman Palmer 2
faegre baker daniels llp 2
McAndrews Held & Malloy Ltd. 2
Morgan Lewis & Bockius LLP 2
Neal Gerber & Eisenberg LLP 2
paul hastings llp 2
Polsinelli 2
Butler Rubin Saltarelli & Boyd LLP 1
Holland & Knight LLP 1
Husch Blackwell 1
Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan 1
Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hampton 1
thompson coburn llp 1
Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP 0
goldberg kohn 0
nixon peabody llp 0
Pedersen & Houpt 0
Pugh Jones & Johnson P.C. 0
seyfarth shaw llp 0
Steptoe & Johnson LLP 0
Taft Stettinius & Hollister LLP 0
vedder price pc 0
TOTAL 346

New York

Simpson Thacher & Bartlett 102
Skadden Arps Slate Meagher & Flom LLP 94
Paul Weiss Rifkind Wharton & Garrison LLP 84
Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP 79
Debevoise & Plimpton LLP 74
Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP 48
Weil Gotshal & Manges LLP 46
Shearman & Sterling LLP 43
proskauer rose llp 39
Latham & Watkins LLP 38
Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson LLP 34
Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP 34
White & Case 32
sidley austin llp 31
Ropes & Gray LLP 29
Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft LLP 27
Kirkland & Ellis LLP 27
Jones Day 22
Linklaters LLP 22
Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan 19
WilmerHale 18
Winston & Strawn LLP 18
paul hastings llp 17
hogan lovells US LLP 16
Fitzpatrick Cella Harper & Scinto 15
Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP 13
Morgan Lewis & Bockius LLP 12
Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP 12
Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP 11
Dechert LLP 11
K&L Gates LLP 11
O'Melveny & Myers LLP 11
Arnold & Porter LLP 8
Bracewell & Giuliani LLP 8
Curtis Mallet-Prevost Colt & Mosle LLP 8
Alston & Bird LLP 7
Covington & Burling LLP 7
Dentons US LLP 7
goodwin procter llp 7
Greenberg Traurig 7
katten muchin rosenman llp 7
King & Spalding 7
Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP 7
Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP 7
Baker Botts L.L.P. 6
Jenner & Block LLP 6
Morrison & Foerster LLP 6
Reed Smith LLP 6
Vinson & Elkins LLP 6
blank rome llp 5
Epstein Becker & Green P.C. 5
Baker & Hostetler LLP 4
cooley llp 4
Hunton & Williams LLP 4
Kelley Drye & Warren LLP 4
Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hampton 4
Axinn Veltrop & Harkrider LLP 3
Bryan Cave LLP 3
olshan frome wolosky llp 3
schiff hardin llp 3
venable llp 3
akerman llp 2
Amster Rothstein & Ebenstein 2
Baker & McKenzie 2
Fish & Richardson P.C. 2
Perkins Coie LLP 2
Axinn Veltrop & Harkrider LLP 1
davis wright tremaine llp 1
Foley & Lardner LLP 1
Pepper Hamilton LLP 1
ROBERTS & HOLLAND 1
ballard spahr llp 0
chapman and cutler llp 0
Crowell & Moring LLP 0
Davies Ward Phillips & Vineberg LLP 0
Dorsey & Whitney LLP 0
Duval & Stachenfeld LLP 0
Friedman Kaplan Seiler & Adelman LLP 0
Gunderson Dettmer 0
Holland & Knight LLP 0
Loeb & Loeb LLP 0
mayer brown llp 0
nixon peabody llp 0
Robins Kaplan Miller & Ciresi L.L.P. 0
Satterlee Stephens Burke & Burke LLP 0
seyfarth shaw llp 0
Steptoe & Johnson LLP 0
Sutherland Asbill & Brennan LLP 0
thompson hine llp 0
vedder price pc 0
Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati 0
TOTAL 1266

Los Angeles
Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP 25
Munger Tolles & Olson LLP 25
Latham & Watkins LLP 18
Skadden Arps Slate Meagher & Flom LLP 18
Paul Hastings LLP 12
O'Melveny & Myers LLP 10
Sidley Austin LLP 10
Milbank 9
Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan 9
Kirkland & Ellis LLP 7
O'Melveny & Myers LLP 7
Proskauer Rose LLP 7
Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hampton 7
Jones Day 6
Morrison & Foerster LLP 6
reed smith llp 6
Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP 5
Greenberg Traurig 5
Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP 5
Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP 5
White & Case 5
Jenner & Block LLP 4
WilmerHale 4
Arnold & Porter LLP 3
goodwin procter llp 3
K&L Gates LLP 3
Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP 3
Simpson Thacher & Bartlett 3
venable llp 3
Winston & Strawn LLP 3
Allen Matkins Leck Gamble Mallory & Natsis LLP 2
Baker & Hostetler LLP 2
dykema gossett pllc 2
Foley & Lardner LLP 2
hogan lovells US LLP 2
Holland & Knight LLP 2
Mayer Brown LLP 2
McKenna Long & Aldridge LLP 2
Morgan Lewis & Bockius LLP 2
Perkins Coie LLP 2
sedgwick llp 2
Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hampton 2
Blakely Sokoloff Taylor & Zafman 1
Crowell & Moring LLP 1
Dechert LLP 1
Greenberg Glusker 1
Klee Tuchin Bogdanoff & Stern LLP 1
Snell & Wilmer L.L.P. 1
ballard spahr llp 0
davis wright tremaine llp 0
Dentons US LLP 0
Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP 0
Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP 0
Lindahl Beck LLP 0
Loeb & Loeb LLP 0
Nixon Peabody LLP 0
Robins Kaplan Miller & Ciresi L.L.P. 0
Seyfarth Shaw LLP 0
Steptoe & Johnson LLP 0
thompson coburn llp 0
Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati 0
TOTAL 266

[Neal Patrick Harris]

Good luck dudes. Feel free to ask questions about OCI in the questions thread, but I'll check out this thread too so I can help with bidlists.

[WheninLaw]

That time of year again. Whee. Happy to help with bid lists, grade cutoffs, interview advice, etc. fwiw, I bid CA and some DC.

Unsolicited advice: (1) be nice to each other; (2) be wary of the advice you receive; (3) use the WWW list to make some contacts.

[2014]

I am largely competent with Chicago and NY bidding and will review bid lists or answer any/all questions when you start to have them. Best of luck, you guys will do great!

[skers]

Good luck dudes. Feel free to ask questions about OCI in the questions thread, but I'll check out this thread too so I can help with bidlists.

[Anonymous User]

I decree that we use aliases like our big brothers at CLS.

--- Your King,

Joffrey Baratheon

[beepboopbeep]

Tag. Will definitely be posting anon once we get spring grades. Thanks so much in advance, upperclassmen.

[Crowing]

Tagging for "view your posts" function

[Anonymous User]

has anyone else found that our grading system confuses potential employers?

[Anonymous User]

Grades are up.

Someone help me do math. How do you calculate GPA with different sized units (LRW is 4 units).

[Anonymous User]

Grades are up.

Someone help me do math. How do you calculate GPA with different sized units (LRW is 4 units).

Multiply the grade by the number of credits, then divide by the number of credits.

For example, for LRW and Torts: (LRW GRADE * 4 + TORTS GRADE * 6)/(4+6) would give you your GPA.

has anyone else found that our grading system confuses potential employers?

When I've been talking with alumni, it's a nice point of conversation for us to agree on how silly it is, and they understand it, anyway. But I am a bit afraid that non-alumni will just not even bother trying to figure it out.

[Anonymous User]

Grades are up.

Before anyone gets their hopes up for the whole thing, it's just the elective and LRW grades today.

-- Hououin Kyouma

[Anonymous User]

Grades are up.

Before anyone gets their hopes up for the whole thing, it's just the elective and LRW grades today.

-- Hououin Kyouma

You should choose a better anon name, I already know who you are. or at least I can narrow it down to a couple people.

-- King Joffrey

[2014]

Grades are up.

Someone help me do math. How do you calculate GPA with different sized units (LRW is 4 units).

Multiply the grade by the number of credits, then divide by the number of credits.

For example, for LRW and Torts: (LRW GRADE * 4 + TORTS GRADE * 6)/(4+6) would give you your GPA.

has anyone else found that our grading system confuses potential employers?

When I've been talking with alumni, it's a nice point of conversation for us to agree on how silly it is, and they understand it, anyway. But I am a bit afraid that non-alumni will just not even bother trying to figure it out.

They don't bother, they just assume higher is better and send it onto recruiting. This is why you should not freak out about your 177.6 average while your friend is at 178.2, no one knows the difference and depending on the distribution might assume the lower GPA is better.

What actually matters is your likability in interviews, your ability to sell your resume in interviews, your ability to sell your desire to be in a market in interviews, and your ability to convince a firm you are a good fit/potentially willing to take their offer in interviews. With few exceptions (WLRK, Munger, Irell, Williams and Connolly, Boies Lit, Susman - I might actually consider this list exhaustive) the function of grades is basically a "get out of jail free" card for some amount of interview gaffes (assuming medianish grades (176+ perhaps but again it's really tough to tell what someone's GPA is)).

[WhiteyCakes]

Grades are up.

Someone help me do math. How do you calculate GPA with different sized units (LRW is 4 units).

Solid use of anon

[Anonymous User]

What actually matters is your likability in interviews, your ability to sell your resume in interviews, your ability to sell your desire to be in a market in interviews, and your ability to convince a firm you are a good fit/potentially willing to take their offer in interviews. With few exceptions (WLRK, Munger, Irell, Williams and Connolly, Boies Lit, Susman - I might actually consider this list exhaustive) the function of grades is basically a "get out of jail free" card for some amount of interview gaffes (assuming medianish grades (176+ perhaps but again it's really tough to tell what someone's GPA is)).

I think this is brilliant advice. Edit: WheninLaw

[Anonymous User]

I noticed S&C wasn't on OP's NY list. Generally has lots of summers and hires down to median (sometimes below). I bid them around 14 and got them. I think people got them later than that last year (check the OCI thread)

[Mal Reynolds]

Good luck everyone. I suggest we try to all be nice to each other and outshine the last two classes OCI threads, or go straight for the jugular and get fucking crazy in here. Either way works for me.

[Anonymous User]

Throwin out the first bid list. Mostly interested in Chicago transactional. Also gonna bid NYC. All bids are Chicago unless otherwise noted. 178.1-178.4, no urm.

1. Katten
2. Chapman
3. Kirkland
4. Sidley
5. Jenner
6. Baker
7. Schiff
8. Latham
9. Foley
10. K&L Gates
11. Skadden
12. Jones Day
13.. Shearman (NY)
14. Fried Frank (NY)
15. Paul Weiss (NY)
16. Pircher Nichols
17. STB (NY)
18. Debevoise (NY)

Fairly rough but would love some feedback.

[2014]

Do you mind saying how many interview slots each firm has? We don't have access to that info unfortunately and it makes a big difference re: bid order.

[skers]

Throwin out the first bid list. Mostly interested in Chicago transactional. Also gonna bid NYC. All bids are Chicago unless otherwise noted. 178.1-178.4, no urm.

1. Katten
2. Chapman
3. Kirkland
4. Sidley
5. Jenner
6. Baker
7. Schiff
8. Latham
9. Foley
10. K&L Gates
11. Skadden
12. Jones Day
13.. Shearman (NY)
14. Fried Frank (NY)
15. Paul Weiss (NY)
16. Pircher Nichols
17. STB (NY)
18. Debevoise (NY)

Fairly rough but would love some feedback.

I don't know that you have enough NY on here.

[Neal Patrick Harris]

Throwin out the first bid list. Mostly interested in Chicago transactional. Also gonna bid NYC. All bids are Chicago unless otherwise noted. 178.1-178.4, no urm.

1. Katten
2. Chapman
3. Kirkland
4. Sidley
5. Jenner
6. Baker
7. Schiff
8. Latham
9. Foley
10. K&L Gates
11. Skadden
12. Jones Day
13.. Shearman (NY)
14. Fried Frank (NY)
15. Paul Weiss (NY)
16. Pircher Nichols
17. STB (NY)
18. Debevoise (NY)

Fairly rough but would love some feedback.

Why do you have Katten/Chapman so high?

Skadden/Paul Weiss/STB are too low (I think all went earlier than this last year--maybe with the exception of STB?).

How dedicated are you to Chicago? Are you going to turn down an offer at STB for Chapman Chi? If you're going for transactional, why is Skadden so low while Jenner is so high? Here's the chambers for Chicago Corporate: try not to bid based on how much you've heard of the firm, try to bid based on strength in practice area. http://www.chambersandpartners.com/1247 ... torial/5/1

In addition to bid slots, we need to know more about your preferences. If I'm thinking about advice for most people splitting between Chi/NY, I would recommend taking a lot the less-great Chicago firms off, and adding more very good NY firms. The market is easier and the firms are generally just better (not just based on vault rankings, based on level of work & exit options, chambers rankings, etc). CSM should be on there toward the bottom, S&C should definitely be on there, Cleary/Weil/DPW should be on there. Maybe even add Boies Corporate on the bottom (interview slots didn't fill up last year). JD/Shearman/Fried are fine where they are (though I wouldn't put them much lower), But almost everything after that needs a bump upwards (maybe sans Debevoise, which people got in the 20s last year, but who knows if this will change this year). Also Pircher is a real estate boutique, which falls under transactional but I thought I'd let you know.

Sorry if this comes off as cross/forward. I'm in a rush and don't have much time to soften it up! :D

[Anonymous User]

Kirkland & Ellis LLP 84
schiff hardin llp 84
sidley austin llp 84
Skadden Arps Slate Meagher & Flom LLP 84
Jenner & Block LLP 63
mayer brown llp 63
McDermott Will & Emery LLP 63
Latham & Watkins 61
Foley & Lardner LLP 42
katten muchin rosenman llp 42
Ropes & Gray LLP 42
Winston & Strawn LLP 42
Barack Ferrazzano Kirschbaum & Nagelberg LLP 30
Baker & McKenzie (Chicago, IL) 21
Bryan Cave LLP 21
chapman and cutler llp 21
Dechert 21
Dentons US 21
DLA Piper US LLP 21
Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP 21
Dykema Gossett 21
Edelson LLC 21
eimer stahl llp 21
Greenberg Traurig 21
Grippo & Elden 21
Holland & Knight LLP 21
Jones Day 21
K&L Gates 21
mcguirewoods LLP 21
Miller Shakman & Beem 21
Morgan Lewis & Bockius LLP 21
paul hastings llp 21
Perkins Coie LLP 21
Pircher Nichols & Meeks 21
Proskauer Rose 21
Reed Smith LLP 21
Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hampton LLP 21
Vedder Price P.C. 21
McDonnell Boehnen Hulbert & Berghoff LLP 11
faegre baker daniels llp 10
polsinelli pc 10
Taft Stettinius & Hollister, LLP 10

[Anonymous User]

I'm the anon from above. I bid skadden lower because it looked like at that range people still got it in year's past. I put chapman and katten 1/2 for no other reason than they have a lower number of interview slots. I would still probably take an offer at Jenner just because they are a really good firm and seem to have a growing corporate practice. It looks like you have to bid jenner higher.

I'm open to changing this up and adding some more nyc firms. Which Chicago firms would be good to take out?

And in terms of general preferences, I would strongly prefer Chicago but I also would rather be employed so that's maybe why I had so few NYC firms. But I can add more for sure.

[Neal Patrick Harris]

I'm the anon from above. I bid skadden lower because it looked like at that range people still got it in year's past. I put chapman and katten 1/2 for no other reason than they have a lower number of interview slots. I would still probably take an offer at Jenner just because they are a really good firm and seem to have a growing corporate practice. It looks like you have to bid jenner higher.

I'm open to changing this up and adding some more nyc firms. Which Chicago firms would be good to take out?

If it were me:
Jenner katten Chapman K&L baker foley.

Look at chambers and use your head.
Sounds like you're not listening to me wrt Jenner and though I think that's a bad move its okay to have idiosyncratic preferences. Just know that Jenner is very hard to get, requires a very high bid, and is below average in corporate.