GULC 2012 EIW

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Number of screeners and callbacks received (don't vote until you're sure)

5-7 screeners
2
2%
8-10 screeners
4
4%
11-13 screeners
5
4%
14-16 screeners
12
11%
17+ screeners
37
33%
0 callbacks
6
5%
1-2 callbacks
14
13%
3-4 callbacks
5
4%
5-6 callbacks
5
4%
7+ callbacks
22
20%
 
Total votes: 112

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GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:17 pm

Last couple of years GULCers have shared the triumphs and tragedies of EIW. To that end, and in the interest of sharing relevant data to make sense out of that which makes no sense, would suggest sharing whatever information you're comfortable with from the following (feel free to copy/paste into your reply post):

Approximate class rank: (top 10%, top 15%, top 33%, above median, median, below median)
Journal: (which one)
Moot Court, Beaudry, etc.: (which one/s)
IP backbround: Yes/No
Significant work experience: (broadly defined as anything relevant to corporate America/business/finance/accounting/tax/paralegal/etc.) Yes/No is enough
Years out of undergrad: (if more than 2, just 2+ is fine to prevent outing)
Prestigious undergrad: Yes/No/Locally
Other relevant factors (e.g., URM, LBGT, age/prior life experience, military):
Target markets:
Type of work sought: Corporate/Litigation/Doesn't matter
Self-assessed interviewing ability: (great/good/normal/below normal/far below normal)
Screeners or callbacks prior to EIW from mass-mailing: (if yes, how many, what type of firm, etc.)
Screeners received for EIW: (just the number)
Callbacks received from EIW screeners: (just the number, and if you would, Vault ranking if applicable, i.e., V25, V50, and two non-Vault firms; market/city if comfortable listing)
Offers received: (just the number, and if you would, Vault ranking if applicable, i.e., V25, V50, and two non-Vault firms; market/city if comfortable listing)

Identifying handle (not TLS name: stay anonymous) for this line of posting; feel free to edit your original post, though, as things change (i.e., don't just keep on adding new versions).

Edited on July 26 to add Betty Boop's suggestions.
Last edited by Anonymous User on Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Last couple of years GULCers have shared the triumphs and tragedies of EIW. To that end, and in the interest of sharing relevant data to make sense out of that which makes no sense, would suggest sharing whatever information you're comfortable with from the following (feel free to copy/paste into your reply post):

Approximate class rank: (top 10%, top 15%, top 33%, above median, median, below median)
Journal: (which one)
Moot Court, Beaudry, etc.: (which one/s)
IP backbround: Yes/No
Significant work experience: (broadly defined as anything relevant to corporate America/business/finance/accounting/tax/paralegal/etc.) Yes/No is enough
Years out of undergrad: (if more than 2, just 2+ is fine to prevent outing)
Prestigious undergrad: Yes/No/Locally
Target markets:
Type of work sought: Corporate/Litigation/Doesn't matter
Self-assessed interviewing ability: (great/good/normal/below normal/far below normal)
Screeners or callbacks prior to EIW from mass-mailing: (if yes, how many, what type of firm, etc.)
Screeners received for EIW: (just the number)
Callbacks received from EIW screeners: (just the number, and if you would, Vault ranking if applicable, i.e., V25, V50, and two non-Vault firms; market/city if comfortable listing)
Offers received: (just the number, and if you would, Vault ranking if applicable, i.e., V25, V50, and two non-Vault firms; market/city if comfortable listing)

Identifying handle (not TLS name: stay anonymous) for this line of posting; feel free to edit your original post, though, as things change (i.e., don't just keep on adding new versions).


Checking in. Thanks for putting this together.

-Barney Frank

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby jessuf » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:02 pm

so when do we find out about which firms we get interviews with through the lottery?

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby mr_toad » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:07 pm

July 30.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby IsTheFatLadySinging » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:10 pm

Career Services told me typically you receive 7-9 interviews on the low end and 11-13 on the high end. Is this information accurate?

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby mr_toad » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:27 am

IsTheFatLadySinging wrote:Career Services told me typically you receive 7-9 interviews on the low end and 11-13 on the high end. Is this information accurate?


http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=161886

Sounds about right, above link has tons of first-hand info from last year.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:22 am

I got 18 last year through the lottery + 2 through the open sign-up + others through shadow schedules. People only get 7-9 if they have ignore the stats OCS gives you last year's bids.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby mr_toad » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:38 am

Anonymous User wrote:I got 18 last year through the lottery + 2 through the open sign-up + others through shadow schedules. People only get 7-9 if they have ignore the stats OCS gives you last year's bids.


The bid ratio was one of the three main metrics I used. My goal was to hit 20. We'll see... but it's good to hear that such a strategy is sound.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:55 am

I received about 17-18 last year, forget which. I got a bunch through bidding and then snagged up a few when there was that open sign-up period. Very unlikely that you'll hit 20+ through EIW bidding + open sign-up period. I considered myself pretty lucky. Good luck, though.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:57 am

Goal was 20, but OCS said to feel lucky if you get close to 15. 17-18 would be great.

Not meant to be anon. -mr toad

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby jessuf » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:42 pm

7 is typical?! that's ridiculous. why even give us 50 bids? most people i talked to got ~15 from bidding smart.

i wish this were preselect or at least a preselect/lottery hybrid.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:49 pm

Can we add some diversity measures to the list?

URM, LBGT, age/prior life experience, military...

I'd be particularly interested in seeing how LGBT folks do, as there is not much data on how firms "recruit" for that. For URMs, there are emails through APALSA, BLSA, LALSA, etc, but I don't recall getting anything through OutLaw, and the diversity receptions I've been to have been largely focused on racial diversity.

And yeah. OCS said that around 10-11 is average; diversifying markets increases that number while being very choosy about location decreases it. I'm expecting 4-6 myself since there's only one market I'm willing to be in for various personal reasons.

--Betty Boop

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby jessuf » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Can we add some diversity measures to the list?

URM, LBGT, age/prior life experience, military...

I'd be particularly interested in seeing how LGBT folks do, as there is not much data on how firms "recruit" for that. For URMs, there are emails through APALSA, BLSA, LALSA, etc, but I don't recall getting anything through OutLaw, and the diversity receptions I've been to have been largely focused on racial diversity.

And yeah. OCS said that around 10-11 is average; diversifying markets increases that number while being very choosy about location decreases it. I'm expecting 4-6 myself since there's only one market I'm willing to be in for various personal reasons.

--Betty Boop


did you do the diversity resume collect? i'm not LGBT, but I submitted my resume to every DC and NYC firm there. not sure how typical it is to get a bite from that, though.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:58 pm

Jessuf wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Can we add some diversity measures to the list?

URM, LBGT, age/prior life experience, military...

I'd be particularly interested in seeing how LGBT folks do, as there is not much data on how firms "recruit" for that. For URMs, there are emails through APALSA, BLSA, LALSA, etc, but I don't recall getting anything through OutLaw, and the diversity receptions I've been to have been largely focused on racial diversity.

And yeah. OCS said that around 10-11 is average; diversifying markets increases that number while being very choosy about location decreases it. I'm expecting 4-6 myself since there's only one market I'm willing to be in for various personal reasons.

--Betty Boop


did you do the diversity resume collect? i'm not LGBT, but I submitted my resume to every DC and NYC firm there. not sure how typical it is to get a bite from that, though.


Is LGBT considered diversity for Diversity Resume Collect?

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby jessuf » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:59 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
did you do the diversity resume collect? i'm not LGBT, but I submitted my resume to every DC and NYC firm there. not sure how typical it is to get a bite from that, though.


Is LGBT considered diversity for Diversity Resume Collect?[/quote]

Yes, of course. And female. And races not considered URM by law school admissions, like asian.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:03 pm

Jessuf wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
did you do the diversity resume collect? i'm not LGBT, but I submitted my resume to every DC and NYC firm there. not sure how typical it is to get a bite from that, though.


Is LGBT considered diversity for Diversity Resume Collect?


Yes, of course. And female. And races not considered URM by law school admissions, like asian.[/quote]

Do I write LGBT on my resume? How am I supposed to inform them?

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby jessuf » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Jessuf wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
did you do the diversity resume collect? i'm not LGBT, but I submitted my resume to every DC and NYC firm there. not sure how typical it is to get a bite from that, though.


Is LGBT considered diversity for Diversity Resume Collect?


Yes, of course. And female. And races not considered URM by law school admissions, like asian.


Do I write LGBT on my resume? How am I supposed to inform them?[/quote]

LOL. no. put you're a member of xyz club (Lamba or whatever LGBT club).

Edit: For example, to convey my asianness, I put an azn club. I'd otherwise feel awkward being like "PS - I AM AZN FEMALE. ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME" in my cover letter.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:54 pm

Right -- this is exactly why I think it would be helpful to have this info.

Even though LGBT "counts" for the diversity resume collect, that won't make a difference if employers aren't looking for that type of diversity. So with enough data points, maybe we can suss out a trend one way or the other.

Also, can someone explain how the resume collects go? Is it (1) after the deadline, all of the submitted resumes are compiled and sent, (2) employers can peruse resumes whenever they want (before or after the deadline), but students can no longer submit after the deadline, or (3) employers specify what type of diversity (for lack of better phrasing) they are looking for and only get resumes that indicate a potential match? Or something else?

Thanks!
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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:24 pm

Edited original list to add Betty Boop's suggestions. Stupid me for not thinking of that... probably cuz I'm not any of those things!

/s/ Rescue Ranger

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby androstan » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:31 pm

Jessuf wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Jessuf wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Yes, of course. And female. And races not considered URM by law school admissions, like asian.


Do I write LGBT on my resume? How am I supposed to inform them?


LOL. no. put you're a member of xyz club (Lamba or whatever LGBT club).

Edit: For example, to convey my asianness, I put an azn club. I'd otherwise feel awkward being like "PS - I AM AZN FEMALE. ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME" in my cover letter.


You should put this in your cover letter.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby jessuf » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Right -- this is exactly why I think it would be helpful to have this info.

Even though LGBT "counts" for the diversity resume collect, that won't make a difference if employers aren't looking for that type of diversity. So with enough data points, maybe we can suss out a trend one way or the other.

Also, can someone explain how the resume collects go? Is it (1) after the deadline, all of the submitted resumes are compiled and sent, (2) employers can peruse resumes whenever they want (before or after the deadline), but students can no longer submit after the deadline, or (3) employers specify what type of diversity (for lack of better phrasing) they are looking for and only get resumes that indicate a potential match? Or something else?

Thanks!
--Betty Boop


I'm pretty sure it's #1 and definitely not #3.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby stabiloboss » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:36 pm

I've heard that no. of interviews available has gone up from last year, is this true? can anyone confirm?

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby jessuf » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:40 pm

stabiloboss wrote:I've heard that no. of interviews available has gone up from last year, is this true? can anyone confirm?


You can look on that chart they have that shows # of interview slots & # of bids in 2011, as well as # of interview slots in 2012. It depends on the firm/office.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby henry flower » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:00 pm

What's more important----section % rank cutoff, or GPA? There are some pretty wild variations amongst the sections.

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Re: GULC 2012 EIW

Postby chipchip » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:25 pm

GPA. The firms get the GPA cutoffs so they can gauge and it ends up being pretty fair between the sections. They have their own GPA requirements, not percentile ones.




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