Name firms who no-offered 2011 SA's Forum

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:48 pm

Holland and knight Miami: no offered 3/5.

Out those TTTs.

What the f.supp? · Post by **What the f.supp?** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:07 pm

I really hope this thread gains some traction!

ITE8NY · Post by **ITE8NY** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:07 pm

The best way to do this is, first, narrow down your choices to a few offers in hand. Then set up phone calls with alums who work at those firms to discuss what really went down the previous summer. (Or, even better, get in touch with one or two of the previous summer associates from that summer).

It's too easy for firms to game what shows up on NALP, and it's not very useful to know in general which firms have no-offered summers because, unless they're one of a handful of big market firms, very few firms give 100% offer rates.

Omerta · Post by **Omerta** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:12 pm

IMO, if some firm no offered more than 1/3 of its SA's, then it's not worth applying to. But the above response is absolutely right.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:25 pm

Currently considering firms in Texas.

A lot of Texas firms no-offer at least a few SA's every year; some, quite a few. Last year, Fulbright & Jaworski (Dallas) only gave offers to 6 out of 10 and Haynes Boone only gave offers to 30 out of 40 SA's (10 no offers).

Does anyone know about TX no-offers from this past summer?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Currently considering firms in Texas.

A lot of Texas firms no-offer at least a few SA's every year; some, quite a few. Last year, Fulbright & Jaworski (Dallas) only gave offers to 6 out of 10 and Haynes Boone only gave offers to 30 out of 40 SA's (10 no offers).

Does anyone know about TX no-offers from this past summer?

I've heard, anecdotally, that some of this may stem from the ability to split summers in Texas.

I think BB Dallas only no-offered 2 this year, both of which i heard were for good reasons.
I know Akin Dallas had 100% offer rate, Jones Day Dallas had 100%....Gibson Dunn Dallas 100%....VE Dallas 100%..... I've heard from several (TX) firms this year that since class sizes have become much smaller, it's more of a "yours to lose" situation. Of course this is communicated during recruiting, but still.

also, see http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/offer-rates-open-thead/

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:57 pm

Any ideas about CA SF/SV no-offers? Or is this market generally 100% unless you do something colossally dumb or your work product is poor?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:06 pm

I heard from an insider that Pepper Hamilton Philly no-offered one SA.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Currently considering firms in Texas.

A lot of Texas firms no-offer at least a few SA's every year; some, quite a few. Last year, Fulbright & Jaworski (Dallas) only gave offers to 6 out of 10 and Haynes Boone only gave offers to 30 out of 40 SA's (10 no offers).

Does anyone know about TX no-offers from this past summer?
I've heard, anecdotally, that some of this may stem from the ability to split summers in Texas.

I think BB Dallas only no-offered 2 this year, both of which i heard were for good reasons.
I know Akin Dallas had 100% offer rate, Jones Day Dallas had 100%....Gibson Dunn Dallas 100%....VE Dallas 100%..... I've heard from several (TX) firms this year that since class sizes have become much smaller, it's more of a "yours to lose" situation. Of course this is communicated during recruiting, but still.

also, see http://abovethelaw.com/2011/08/offer-rates-open-thead/

Wildly curious if anyone knows what Haynes & Boone's offer rate was for this summer in Dallas.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:10 pm

I heard that Latham LA no-offered one SA.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:11 pm

Covington seems to routinely no-offer 2-4 SAs, at least from 2009 to 2011. Anyone have an idea what the story is there?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Holland and knight Miami: no offered 3/5.

Source?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Currently considering firms in Texas.

A lot of Texas firms no-offer at least a few SA's every year; some, quite a few. Last year, Fulbright & Jaworski (Dallas) only gave offers to 6 out of 10 and Haynes Boone only gave offers to 30 out of 40 SA's (10 no offers).

Does anyone know about TX no-offers from this past summer?

I was told by multiple people from V&E and Fulbright (idk about BB) that the Houston offices had offer rates of 90%+.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:32 pm

BB was 92% and I heard from an inside source very reasonable reasons for the no offers

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:33 pm

Liskow & Lewis no offered SA's.

20121109 · Post by **20121109** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:42 pm

I'm quite certain that Covington routinely has a 100% offer rate. Everyone I know who worked at Covington this past summer got an offer and they said that all SAs received offers.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:47 pm

had a MoFo interview mention, perhaps as a "just-in-passing" scare-tactic(?), that they no-offer people. This is Bay Area MoFo. No clue if that's true.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:40 pm

Kirkland gave offers to 122 summers this year, out of 124 total.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:48 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Holland and knight Miami: no offered 3/5.
Source?

A friend who SA'ed there and was no offered. S/he also said they told them straight up they were only planning to make two offers at the start of the summer... egregious IMO.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:48 pm

MUNGER

Stay away.

rayiner · Post by **rayiner** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:MUNGER

Stay away.

Just do COA clerkship brah.

olderlawyer · Post by **olderlawyer** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:34 pm

Someone mentioned Liskow & Lewis having no-offered SA's. I think New Orleans firms are very open about their inability to hire everyone in the class, but they give opportunities to more than they can accept and 2L's still agree to work there. The firms allow summer-splitting because of this. The economy causes them to be unable to accept permanently as many as might accept summer offers. I know how distressing it can be but it's just the money situation that is limiting them, not a desire to see SA's compete.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:MUNGER

Stay away.

Last year Munger no offered 3/15, was it bad again this year?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:00 pm

For ATL peeps, I know Miller & Martin no-offered 1 of the three SAs (the only 2L)

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For ATL peeps, I know Miller & Martin no-offered 1 of the three SAs (the only 2L)

Similarly, Rogers and Hardin has no offered at least 1 SA every summer for the past 3 years.

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