CLS EIP 2011 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Does this thread really need to become a stats compilation? That has the potential to turn into a douchefest. I liked it better when it just provided info about who is giving callbacks, etc.

While I agree it has the potential to turn into something negative, EIP is over and most CBs are out by now, so it would be nice to get a summation of all that's happened so far, and where people stand in relation to their grades or other qualifications. I guess I would also add another line for "interviewing ability."

[Anonymous User]

Does this thread really need to become a stats compilation? That has the potential to turn into a douchefest. I liked it better when it just provided info about who is giving callbacks, etc.

While I agree it has the potential to turn into something negative, EIP is over and most CBs are out by now, so it would be nice to get a summation of all that's happened so far, and where people stand in relation to their grades or other qualifications. I guess I would also add another line for "interviewing ability."

There are many firms that have not yet given out CBs.

[Anonymous User]

Yeah... I really don't think most of the CBs are out. If you go through last year's thread, people were getting CBs a week or two or even more after EIP.

[Anonymous User]

anyone get wilmer ny yet?

[Anonymous User]

Stone & LR with 15 out of 20 callbacks. No dings yet. 4 of the 5 firms that haven't responded are DC firms.

I bid almost exclusively on V20 firms.

[Anonymous User]

has anyone heard from shearman yet?

[Anonymous User]

Yeah... I really don't think most of the CBs are out. If you go through last year's thread, people were getting CBs a week or two or even more after EIP.

So, what firms are we waiting on? Is the consensus that V10s are mostly out, but lower ranked firms are taking longer?

[Anonymous User]

I think V10 based on here is

WLRK:?
CSM: Yes
S&C:Yes
Skadden:Yes
DPW:Yes
STB:Yes
Weil:Yes
Cleary:Yes
Cov: Yes
Kirkland: Yes
Latham: Yes

[azntwice]

Posting non-anon b/c I am not trying to troll. I think our year should calm down about trying to compare between yourself and others - we seem to be a lot more cutthroat and competitive than years past, and that's saying a lot already since we go to CLS. Everyone just calm down and focus on your own job search - how well others are doing is not going to affect how well you do. Not that I don't sympathize with median kids (I'm median myself) but I feel like this is one of those situations where networking and meeting people and being nice instead of being bitter and cutthroat is going to be a lot more constructive and productive.

And yes, I think V10 is largely out and V20-50s seem to be taking longer.

[ariadne86]

Posting non-anon b/c I am not trying to troll. I think our year should calm down about trying to compare between yourself and others - we seem to be a lot more cutthroat and competitive than years past, and that's saying a lot already since we go to CLS. Everyone just calm down and focus on your own job search - how well others are doing is not going to affect how well you do. Not that I don't sympathize with median kids (I'm median myself) but I feel like this is one of those situations where networking and meeting people and being nice instead of being bitter and cutthroat is going to be a lot more constructive and productive.

And yes, I think V10 is largely out and V20-50s seem to be taking longer.

Truth. Everyone focus on the callbacks you do have, and it'll work out. I think the major thing that's hard is that there is such a sharp divide between median kids and Stone/LR kids that it's sort of demoralizing that some firms just refuse to give the former group the time of day.

[Anonymous User]

I second some of the sanity that has appeared in this forum. The feel of this has become a lot like the 6th floor of the Doubletree, unproductive, anxious chatter, constantly comparing yourself to someone else to see if you can a) feel better about yourself or b) decide that you should feel bad about yourself. We all know who's going to do well, I just want to know when I should decide that I've been rejected.

Speaking of, anyone know why V10 firms haven't been sending out rejections?

[Anonymous User]

When people post that they have high honors, LR, and are hearing back from every V20 firm they applied to, they are doing a lot more harm than good for people reading this forum that aren't having such a breeze through the EIP process. I realize you're excited about your success (and you should be! you've accomplished a lot. congrats on that). But let's put this all in some perspective.

Remember that these are callbacks, not offers. EIP to this point has been screening interviews. That means you're being let through the door, but not invited to stay. It's a lot easier to get through the door based solely on credentials, but there's a lot more than that going in to permanent offers.

For those with lower numbers and fewer callbacks, take some heart. Getting callbacks despite having less competitive numbers means that you've already given them a reason beyond your grades to hire you. A lot of breezers can't say the same. Since callback success is based heavily on additional factors like personal appeal and firm fit, you've already demonstrated a level of fit that made them want you even though your grades aren't the bee's knees. That means that even though your callback ratio might be low, your odds of getting an offer are probably relatively high.

The thing we should all be worried about is finding a firm where we'll be happy and that fits us as people. BigLaw is miserable for so many people because so many of us get caught up in rankings and prestige and forget that we should be working in places where we'll be happy. I got callbacks from a few highly-rated firms that had reasons to call me back (based on interest, demeanor, and background). Other highly rated firms and a lot of lower-rated firms dinged me quickly because they weren't for me and I wasn't for them. My perspective is this: a ding from a firm I don't really want to work for is just as good as an offer from a firm I don't really want to work for (unless I'm left with no other option). We aren't in this to stroke our egos, we're here to find jobs (hopefully the right ones).

But that's just my two cents. Good luck to all of us with callbacks, regardless of whether we're batting .100 or 1.000.

[Anonymous User]

I think V10 based on here is

WLRK:?
CSM: Yes
S&C:Yes
Skadden:Yes
DPW:Yes
STB:Yes
Weil:Yes
Cleary:Yes
Cov: Yes
Kirkland: Yes
Latham: Yes

WLRK has already called.

[Anonymous User]

I think V10 based on here is

WLRK:?
CSM: Yes
S&C:Yes
Skadden:Yes
DPW:Yes
STB:Yes
Weil:Yes
Cleary:Yes
Cov: Yes
Kirkland: Yes
Latham: Yes

WLRK has already called.

How is 12-20 looking? Out yet?

[Anonymous User]

Skadden or MoFo anyone?

Heard MoFo did.

Can anyone confirm MoFo (NY)?

[Anonymous User]

I think V10 based on here is

WLRK:?
CSM: Yes
S&C:Yes
Skadden:Yes
DPW:Yes
STB:Yes
Weil:Yes
Cleary:Yes
Cov: Yes
Kirkland: Yes
Latham: Yes

WLRK has already called.

How is 12-20 looking? Out yet?

Deb: Yes
PW: Yes
W&C: Yes
GDC: Yes
Sidley: don't know
Quinn: Yes
Boies: don't know
White and Case: Yes
Jones Day: don't know
Arnold and Porter: don't know

[Anonymous User]

When people post that they have high honors, LR, and are hearing back from every V20 firm they applied to, they are doing a lot more harm than good for people reading this forum that aren't having such a breeze through the EIP process. I realize you're excited about your success (and you should be! you've accomplished a lot. congrats on that). But let's put this all in some perspective.

Remember that these are callbacks, not offers. EIP to this point has been screening interviews. That means you're being let through the door, but not invited to stay. It's a lot easier to get through the door based solely on credentials, but there's a lot more than that going in to permanent offers.

For those with lower numbers and fewer callbacks, take some heart. Getting callbacks despite having less competitive numbers means that you've already given them a reason beyond your grades to hire you. A lot of breezers can't say the same. Since callback success is based heavily on additional factors like personal appeal and firm fit, you've already demonstrated a level of fit that made them want you even though your grades aren't the bee's knees. That means that even though your callback ratio might be low, your odds of getting an offer are probably relatively high.

The thing we should all be worried about is finding a firm where we'll be happy and that fits us as people. BigLaw is miserable for so many people because so many of us get caught up in rankings and prestige and forget that we should be working in places where we'll be happy. I got callbacks from a few highly-rated firms that had reasons to call me back (based on interest, demeanor, and background). Other highly rated firms and a lot of lower-rated firms dinged me quickly because they weren't for me and I wasn't for them. My perspective is this: a ding from a firm I don't really want to work for is just as good as an offer from a firm I don't really want to work for (unless I'm left with no other option). We aren't in this to stroke our egos, we're here to find jobs (hopefully the right ones).

But that's just my two cents. Good luck to all of us with callbacks, regardless of whether we're batting .100 or 1.000.

This is amazing. I wish we weren't posting anonymously so I could hug you. Thank you for providing perspective in a thread that has turned into a forum for comparing stats and shouting about 100% callback rates (which--congrats--but really you should be out relaxing/preparing and not bragging in an online forum). I think you're right about mid-range firms, they have been silent for the most part.

Sending positive vibes to my friends out there who aren't non-stop talking about v10 - good luck!

[Anonymous User]

When people post that they have high honors, LR, and are hearing back from every V20 firm they applied to, they are doing a lot more harm than good for people reading this forum that aren't having such a breeze through the EIP process. I realize you're excited about your success (and you should be! you've accomplished a lot. congrats on that). But let's put this all in some perspective.

Remember that these are callbacks, not offers. EIP to this point has been screening interviews. That means you're being let through the door, but not invited to stay. It's a lot easier to get through the door based solely on credentials, but there's a lot more than that going in to permanent offers.

For those with lower numbers and fewer callbacks, take some heart. Getting callbacks despite having less competitive numbers means that you've already given them a reason beyond your grades to hire you. A lot of breezers can't say the same. Since callback success is based heavily on additional factors like personal appeal and firm fit, you've already demonstrated a level of fit that made them want you even though your grades aren't the bee's knees. That means that even though your callback ratio might be low, your odds of getting an offer are probably relatively high.

The thing we should all be worried about is finding a firm where we'll be happy and that fits us as people. BigLaw is miserable for so many people because so many of us get caught up in rankings and prestige and forget that we should be working in places where we'll be happy. I got callbacks from a few highly-rated firms that had reasons to call me back (based on interest, demeanor, and background). Other highly rated firms and a lot of lower-rated firms dinged me quickly because they weren't for me and I wasn't for them. My perspective is this: a ding from a firm I don't really want to work for is just as good as an offer from a firm I don't really want to work for (unless I'm left with no other option). We aren't in this to stroke our egos, we're here to find jobs (hopefully the right ones).

But that's just my two cents. Good luck to all of us with callbacks, regardless of whether we're batting .100 or 1.000.

This is amazing. I wish we weren't posting anonymously so I could hug you. Thank you for providing perspective in a thread that has turned into a forum for comparing stats and shouting about 100% callback rates (which--congrats--but really you should be out relaxing/preparing and not bragging in an online forum). I think you're right about mid-range firms, they have been silent for the most part.

Sending positive vibes to my friends out there who aren't non-stop talking about v10 - good luck!

Seconded. Wonderful post. Sincerely - thank you.

[Anonymous User]

I think V10 based on here is

WLRK:?
CSM: Yes
S&C:Yes
Skadden:Yes
DPW:Yes
STB:Yes
Weil:Yes
Cleary:Yes
Cov: Yes
Kirkland: Yes
Latham: Yes

WLRK has already called.

How is 12-20 looking? Out yet?

Deb: Yes
PW: Yes
W&C: Yes
GDC: Yes
Sidley: don't know
Quinn: Yes
Boies: don't know
White and Case: Yes
Jones Day: don't know
Arnold and Porter: don't know

Arnold and Porter is out (came Tues).


Just want to second/third the "chill back" sentiments! A lot of firms aren't out yet, and most of those that are out are the ones most likely to take grades and honors into account.

Also, if people receive an offer they'd be happy with, cancel callbacks you're 95% sure you wouldn't take an offer from. As much as it's nice to be wined and dined, and as much as you can never know 100% you wouldn't take a firm until you've really been there, don't waste anyone's time. Firms have a set number of offers to give out, so don't take a callback if you would never accept their offer because you're really just taking it away from someone who might really want it. My $0.02 at least

[Anonymous User]

When people post that they have high honors, LR, and are hearing back from every V20 firm they applied to, they are doing a lot more harm than good for people reading this forum that aren't having such a breeze through the EIP process. I realize you're excited about your success (and you should be! you've accomplished a lot. congrats on that). But let's put this all in some perspective.

Remember that these are callbacks, not offers. EIP to this point has been screening interviews. That means you're being let through the door, but not invited to stay. It's a lot easier to get through the door based solely on credentials, but there's a lot more than that going in to permanent offers.

For those with lower numbers and fewer callbacks, take some heart. Getting callbacks despite having less competitive numbers means that you've already given them a reason beyond your grades to hire you. A lot of breezers can't say the same. Since callback success is based heavily on additional factors like personal appeal and firm fit, you've already demonstrated a level of fit that made them want you even though your grades aren't the bee's knees. That means that even though your callback ratio might be low, your odds of getting an offer are probably relatively high.

The thing we should all be worried about is finding a firm where we'll be happy and that fits us as people. BigLaw is miserable for so many people because so many of us get caught up in rankings and prestige and forget that we should be working in places where we'll be happy. I got callbacks from a few highly-rated firms that had reasons to call me back (based on interest, demeanor, and background). Other highly rated firms and a lot of lower-rated firms dinged me quickly because they weren't for me and I wasn't for them. My perspective is this: a ding from a firm I don't really want to work for is just as good as an offer from a firm I don't really want to work for (unless I'm left with no other option). We aren't in this to stroke our egos, we're here to find jobs (hopefully the right ones).

But that's just my two cents. Good luck to all of us with callbacks, regardless of whether we're batting .100 or 1.000.

This is amazing. I wish we weren't posting anonymously so I could hug you. Thank you for providing perspective in a thread that has turned into a forum for comparing stats and shouting about 100% callback rates (which--congrats--but really you should be out relaxing/preparing and not bragging in an online forum). I think you're right about mid-range firms, they have been silent for the most part.

Sending positive vibes to my friends out there who aren't non-stop talking about v10 - good luck!

Seconded. Wonderful post. Sincerely - thank you.

To add some more words of hope for those that have not yet heard back nor received an outright rejection--the "hold list" is a very real possibility. Many "medium ranked" firms know that they called back a good deal of people who are "overqualified" and who may not ultimately accept a callback. For example, I bid extremely conservatively because I was terrified of striking out and have no idea how much the job market has actually recovered. Fortunately for me, I ended up doing a lot better than I thought and received callbacks to quite a few of my reaches. I scheduled these reaches immediately so I will be hearing back from them long before I do all my callbacks at some of my "target" and "safety" firms. If I were to get an offer at a reach, I'd immediately cancel quite a few of my other callbacks--freeing up a lot of spots for people on the hold list at those firms to potentially receive a late callback. There are many others in the same position as me. I think the majority of students this year bid conservatively, and that translated into fierce competition at the v30-v100 firms. So if you are someone still waiting to hear back from these firms, there's a *very* real possibility that once others get their top offers and start cancelling, many more spots will open up.

Just hang in there and stay positive. Do the best you can with what you've got so far, but don't think that just because many callbacks were given immediately, that more won't still come in the next few weeks. Columbia has the advantage of doing this process very early compared to some other schools, so employers have many opportunities to take a second look at the individuals they met during our EIP as they progress through the recruiting season.

[Anonymous User]

Kaye is calling now.

[Anonymous User]

has quinn called or just had the dinner?

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone successfully scheduled Cadwalader?

[Anonymous User]

Kind of random, but did anyone interview with and has anyone heard from McKinsey?

[Anonymous User]

Tried to schedule at Cad, unsuccessful.