Yes.Fark-o-vision wrote: Is your avatar David Foster Wallace?
That's two points of agreement in one post. I'd say we're on a roll.I could be way off base on all accounts
Yes.Fark-o-vision wrote: Is your avatar David Foster Wallace?
That's two points of agreement in one post. I'd say we're on a roll.I could be way off base on all accounts
For the $10k difference in take home pay alone b/w NYC and Chicago (taxes), I could take a vacation to Paris or Rome each year and see legit culture and art.Oh, and plus, with all the money you save living in the midwest, you can afford to save up for a vacation to NYC, visit the art museum, see the statue of liberty, eat overpriced food that tastes like shit, sit in a puddle of piss on the subway, and not have to deal with it for the other 355 days of the year. I'm just sayin'...
There's a difference between being a foodie and being a prestige eater. NYquakeroats wrote:and you probably haven't tried enough food to know whether or not you're a foodie. You're right next to Chicago so stop in at Alinea or Charlie Trotter's; you just might change your mind.
At what point in my poast did I insinuate that the two were associated as such? You can surely hate the city in which you work. I get it that NYC compares miserably to other areas in the US w/r/t how far salary dollars go. It sucks, period, but it's a paying jerb.BruceWayne wrote:Lol at not realizing that moving to a place because you have no other choice has no impact on whether you personally like or dislike it....Big Shrimpin wrote:LOL at 1L/0Ls, ITT, saying NYC blows. Wait until OCI ends. You might just end up there.
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That last part is just wrong. It assumes that the top students from that secondary market who go to a T14 would rather work at a middling NYC firm over a top secondary market firm. In my experience most top students would not turn down a top firm in Houston, LA, SF, Boston, or any other city to work at a V40-V20 in NYC. Most top students I know had preferences such as DC > NYC V10 > top secondary market > NYC other. The firms from the secondary markets, because they only see the 20 or 40 students with ties to that secondary market, will generally call back the students with top grades (who will get all the cbs from that market). Firms do not yield protect to the extent that law schools do (and the ones that do are generally larger NYC firms).BruceWayne wrote:Lol at not realizing that moving to a place because you have no other choice has no impact on whether you personally like or dislike it. Also for people attending schools outside of the NYC market they have just as great (actually a greater) chance at ending up in that school's home market--not NYC--contrary to popular TLS belief. If you go to Florida State you're probably going to end up working in Florida, no matter how many biglaw jobs are in NYC. UT-Austin grads are probably going to end up in Texas, UGA grads in Georgia, Colorado grads in Colorado etc.Big Shrimpin wrote:LOL at 1L/0Ls, ITT, saying NYC blows. Wait until OCI ends. You might just end up there.
Lol if the median students go to a school in a secondary market, that secondary market is their best shot at a job. UGA and Florida state median aren't getting jobs in NYC. And for the people who go to top 14 schools but are from secondary markets, that's often their best shot at a job if that secondary market receives most of its competition from regional schools. Not to mention that this comment has no impact on the desirability of working in a secondary market--which was the main point of the thread.keg411 wrote:+1.Big Shrimpin wrote:LOL at 1L/0Ls, ITT, saying NYC blows. Wait until OCI ends. You might just end up there.
You go to NYC because there are actually jobs in NYC. But let the median students bid on secondary markets, and then watch the shitshow in this year's OCI thread.
You're still missing it. I guess you just have some sort of fixation with hoping that people "strike out" and have to live in NYC. Whether I like/dislike a locale or not and whether I can get a job there are two totally unrelated concepts. I can't get with Kim Kardashian, but that doesn't make her any less desirable. I can get a old moped, that doesn't make it any more desirable.Big Shrimpin wrote:At what point in my poast did I insinuate that the two were associated as such? You can surely hate the city in which you work. I get it that NYC compares miserably to other areas in the US w/r/t how far salary dollars go. It sucks, period, but it's a paying jerb.BruceWayne wrote:Lol at not realizing that moving to a place because you have no other choice has no impact on whether you personally like or dislike it....Big Shrimpin wrote:LOL at 1L/0Ls, ITT, saying NYC blows. Wait until OCI ends. You might just end up there.
OCI's a funny game, dooder. Even doods at your T-14 with decent grades will strike-out, possibly due to bidding inefficiency. But I's sure you won't be one of them.
Are you talking about median students who aren't from the secondary market they're applying to? That's not even what I'm talking about. Secondary markets DO NOT unanimously prefer people from the local regional schools over people from that region/market who just decided to go off and attend a top 14. Yes if you bid on a secondary market and you're from DC you're probably going to have problems. But that's not what I'm talking about. If you're from Atlanta and go to Duke, you will NOT have a harder time getting a job in Atlanta than an Emory or UGA student. That's just TLS bullshit. Actually if it was true, it would greatly contradict this website's comments that the top 14 are better than lower schools and are "national". It would basically mean that they were only good for working in NYC, and that it's better to go to a local regional school than a top 14 if you don't want to work in NYC (ie UGA> UVA/Duke for Atlanta, UCLA/USC> than Columbia and Michigan for LA, UHouston> Harvard for Houston--all of this assuming the student is from the secondary market).timbs4339 wrote:That last part is just wrong. It assumes that the top students from that secondary market who go to a T14 would rather work at a middling NYC firm over a top secondary market firm. In my experience most top students would not turn down a top firm in Houston, LA, SF, Boston, or any other city to work at a V40-V20 in NYC. Most top students I know had preferences such as DC > NYC V10 > top secondary market > NYC other. The firms from the secondary markets, because they only see the 20 or 40 students with ties to that secondary market, will generally call back the students with top grades (who will get all the cbs from that market). Firms do not yield protect to the extent that law schools do (and the ones that do are generally larger NYC firms).BruceWayne wrote:Lol at not realizing that moving to a place because you have no other choice has no impact on whether you personally like or dislike it. Also for people attending schools outside of the NYC market they have just as great (actually a greater) chance at ending up in that school's home market--not NYC--contrary to popular TLS belief. If you go to Florida State you're probably going to end up working in Florida, no matter how many biglaw jobs are in NYC. UT-Austin grads are probably going to end up in Texas, UGA grads in Georgia, Colorado grads in Colorado etc.Big Shrimpin wrote:LOL at 1L/0Ls, ITT, saying NYC blows. Wait until OCI ends. You might just end up there.
Lol if the median students go to a school in a secondary market, that secondary market is their best shot at a job. UGA and Florida state median aren't getting jobs in NYC. And for the people who go to top 14 schools but are from secondary markets, that's often their best shot at a job if that secondary market receives most of its competition from regional schools. Not to mention that this comment has no impact on the desirability of working in a secondary market--which was the main point of the thread.keg411 wrote:+1.Big Shrimpin wrote:LOL at 1L/0Ls, ITT, saying NYC blows. Wait until OCI ends. You might just end up there.
You go to NYC because there are actually jobs in NYC. But let the median students bid on secondary markets, and then watch the shitshow in this year's OCI thread.
The more regional schools, the more this hurts the prospects for median T14 people. Firms generally want to maintain relationships with local schools. So if they don't get the students they called back from a top school the first time, they can just go back to the regional schools and fill out their summer class.
At my school, median students had much more luck in bidding NYC than their home markets.
You're not getting me either, broseidon. I'm agreeing with your point about dislike of city being unrelated to ability to land work there. The converse of that argument doesn't even make sense, unless you tell interviewers you hate city xyz.BruceWayne wrote:You're still missing it. I guess you just have some sort of fixation with hoping that people "strike out" and have to live in NYC. Whether I like/dislike a locale or not and whether I can get a job there are two totally unrelated concepts. I can't get with Kim Kardashian, but that doesn't make her any less desirable. I can get a old moped, that doesn't make it any more desirable.Big Shrimpin wrote:At what point in my poast did I insinuate that the two were associated as such? You can surely hate the city in which you work. I get it that NYC compares miserably to other areas in the US w/r/t how far salary dollars go. It sucks, period, but it's a paying jerb.BruceWayne wrote:Lol at not realizing that moving to a place because you have no other choice has no impact on whether you personally like or dislike it....Big Shrimpin wrote:LOL at 1L/0Ls, ITT, saying NYC blows. Wait until OCI ends. You might just end up there.
OCI's a funny game, dooder. Even doods at your T-14 with decent grades will strike-out, possibly due to bidding inefficiency. But I's sure you won't be one of them.
In addition, I promise you I have a better chance at getting a job where I'm from than in NYC (as do the majority of people that aren't from places like LA or DC). That's one thing that's very wrong and overly quoted on here. You do NOT automatically have a better shot at getting a job in NYC no matter what and regardless of your circumstances. As our OGI handbook and career services recently tried to stress to us, one of your best shots at getting a job is in your home town/region/market. This thing about it's always easier to get a job in NYC is just wrong--particularly when you're competing with so many other top schools for jobs in NYC. You have a better shot at getting a job in Richmond if you're from Richmond and go to UVA--than you do in NYC.
quakeroats wrote:Yes.Fark-o-vision wrote: Is your avatar David Foster Wallace?
That's two points of agreement in one post. I'd say we're on a roll.I could be way off base on all accounts
No, I'm talking about median students, at T14 schools, who are from or have ties to the secondary market they want to return to.BruceWayne wrote: Are you talking about median students who aren't from the secondary market they're applying to? That's not even what I'm talking about. Secondary markets DO NOT unanimously prefer people from the local regional schools over people from that region/market who just decided to go off and attend a top 14. Yes if you bid on a secondary market and you're from DC you're probably going to have problems. But that's not what I'm talking about. If you're from Atlanta and go to Duke, you will NOT have a harder time getting a job in Atlanta than an Emory or UGA student. That's just TLS bullshit. Actually if it was true, it would greatly contradict this website's comments that the top 14 are better than lower schools and are "national". It would basically mean that they were only good for working in NYC, and that it's better to go to a local regional school than a top 14 if you don't want to work in NYC (ie UGA> UVA/Duke for Atlanta, UCLA/USC> than Columbia and Michigan for LA, UHouston> Harvard for Houston--all of this assuming the student is from the secondary market).
This makes this ranking pretty worthless.ECA’s ranking is based on a basket of 128 goods that includes food, daily goods, clothing, electronics, and entertainment, but not rent, utilities, and school fees
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That's a nice straw man you got there.X_Soda wrote:Man, can't believe some of the ignorant fucktards around here masquerading as financially sensible squares. If any of you economically enlightened cats decide that WUSTL life is getting a little vapid and decide to transfer to a real city, you might find that the notion of a $3000 200x200 studio is a grossly exaggerated myth. I'm dropping a little more than a thou and living in a clean, spacious (maybe not Texas spacious, but I have tons a music equipment and not even I lust for such superfluous space), and safe studio. $3000 could buy me a) insane luxury or b) a movie star ridden location. As for grocery shopping -- if you're too inept to figure out where to go you MIGHT end up paying a decent markup, but there have been plenty of times when I've paid an equal or less amount for grocery items as I used to in a small west coast city. This thread is a perfect example of typical TLS naivete... 0Ls and 1Ls giving each other digital pats on the back for rattling off numbers that exist in a vacuum and mean next to nothing in a real Quality of Living assessment. New York City is where it's at, people.
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Ha, I wish it was, but I once saw someone on this very site say something along the lines of, "Would go to an NYC T14, but don't want to end up paying $5000 for a studio."sundance95 wrote:That's a nice straw man you got there.X_Soda wrote:Man, can't believe some of the ignorant fucktards around here masquerading as financially sensible squares. If any of you economically enlightened cats decide that WUSTL life is getting a little vapid and decide to transfer to a real city, you might find that the notion of a $3000 200x200 studio is a grossly exaggerated myth. I'm dropping a little more than a thou and living in a clean, spacious (maybe not Texas spacious, but I have tons a music equipment and not even I lust for such superfluous space), and safe studio. $3000 could buy me a) insane luxury or b) a movie star ridden location. As for grocery shopping -- if you're too inept to figure out where to go you MIGHT end up paying a decent markup, but there have been plenty of times when I've paid an equal or less amount for grocery items as I used to in a small west coast city. This thread is a perfect example of typical TLS naivete... 0Ls and 1Ls giving each other digital pats on the back for rattling off numbers that exist in a vacuum and mean next to nothing in a real Quality of Living assessment. New York City is where it's at, people.
X_Soda wrote:Man, can't believe some of the ignorant fucktards around here masquerading as financially sensible squares. If any of you economically enlightened cats decide that WUSTL life is getting a little vapid and decide to transfer to a real city, you might find that the notion of a $3000 200x200 studio is a grossly exaggerated myth. I'm dropping a little more than a thou and living in a clean, spacious (maybe not Texas spacious, but I have tons a music equipment and not even I lust for such superfluous space), and safe studio. $3000 could buy me a) insane luxury or b) a movie star ridden location. As for grocery shopping -- if you're too inept to figure out where to go you MIGHT end up paying a decent markup, but there have been plenty of times when I've paid an equal or less amount for grocery items as I used to in a small west coast city. This thread is a perfect example of typical TLS naivete... 0Ls and 1Ls giving each other digital pats on the back for rattling off numbers that exist in a vacuum and mean next to nothing in a real Quality of Living assessment. New York City is where it's at, people.
I at least attempted to derail this drawn out argument. But Texas is so overrated.DoubleChecks wrote:read 2 pages in this thread and i can already see it is like most other divisive threads
one side trashing NYC living, other side saying how inaccurate that is and NYC isnt like that at all, etc.
truth is prob somewhere in the middle, or so random depending on individual circumstances that no side is really correct -- though im sure the calculator is useful for some measures as others have stated in the first 2 pages
that being said, whatevs, as long as everyone is in agreement thatTXTTTexas is the best choice
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Where is this insanely luxurious apartment for $3k and how long is the commute from there to midtown or fidi? Serious question, I need to go apartment hunting for next year. Would like some place with minimal train transfers/walking in summer heat in a suit.X_Soda wrote:Man, can't believe some of the ignorant fucktards around here masquerading as financially sensible squares. If any of you economically enlightened cats decide that WUSTL life is getting a little vapid and decide to transfer to a real city, you might find that the notion of a $3000 200x200 studio is a grossly exaggerated myth. I'm dropping a little more than a thou and living in a clean, spacious (maybe not Texas spacious, but I have tons a music equipment and not even I lust for such superfluous space), and safe studio. $3000 could buy me a) insane luxury or b) a movie star ridden location. As for grocery shopping -- if you're too inept to figure out where to go you MIGHT end up paying a decent markup, but there have been plenty of times when I've paid an equal or less amount for grocery items as I used to in a small west coast city. This thread is a perfect example of typical TLS naivete... 0Ls and 1Ls giving each other digital pats on the back for rattling off numbers that exist in a vacuum and mean next to nothing in a real Quality of Living assessment. New York City is where it's at, people.
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