What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

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mr. jones1233
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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby mr. jones1233 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:13 pm

Anything more than 5 years in biglaw, and you will feel like your 60. Unless you actually are 60. Total thread derailment here, but does anyone else get pissed of with the whole URM thing? I feel like if you got in under URM status you should have an ** next to your diploma. (To be candid, the two kids that got into my school because of URM are doing really well...) But seriously though, any one else who is white, asian, white/asian, get pissed off about URM's taking spots of people with better numbers?

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anything more than 5 years in biglaw, and you will feel like your 60. Unless you actually are 60. Total thread derailment here, but does anyone else get pissed of with the whole URM thing? I feel like if you got in under URM status you should have an ** next to your diploma. (To be candid, the two kids that got into my school because of URM are doing really well...) But seriously though, any one else who is white, asian, white/asian, get pissed off about URM's taking spots of people with better numbers?


Why so mad brah?

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby buckilaw » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anything more than 5 years in biglaw, and you will feel like your 60. Unless you actually are 60. Total thread derailment here, but does anyone else get pissed of with the whole URM thing? I feel like if you got in under URM status you should have an ** next to your diploma. (To be candid, the two kids that got into my school because of URM are doing really well...) But seriously though, any one else who is white, asian, white/asian, get pissed off about URM's taking spots of people with better numbers?


At least have the balls to not post this anon.

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby RVP11 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:34 pm

Cupidity wrote:
RVP11 wrote:People, y'all need to go ask some 2Ls. URM doesn't help that much (if at all) in getting a BigLaw job.


I'm sorry, what?

What world do you live in? (Or at least, what market are you talking about) Boston/NY/DC URM is worth at least 30% on the curve.


You = 0L

I live in the world where people are actually attending law school.

If you think firms are pretending your grades are 1/3 of the class better just because of URM status then you're going to be in for a rude awakening come 2L OCI.

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby 09042014 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:40 pm

RVP11 wrote:
Cupidity wrote:
RVP11 wrote:People, y'all need to go ask some 2Ls. URM doesn't help that much (if at all) in getting a BigLaw job.


I'm sorry, what?

What world do you live in? (Or at least, what market are you talking about) Boston/NY/DC URM is worth at least 30% on the curve.


You = 0L

I live in the world where people are actually attending law school.

If you think firms are pretending your grades are 1/3 of the class better just because of URM status then you're going to be in for a rude awakening come 2L OCI.


I've heard people say that prior to ITE there was a decent boost, but that firms weren't going to hire lesser associates ITE. But that's hearsay and speculation.

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby nygrrrl » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:40 pm

buckilaw wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anything more than 5 years in biglaw, and you will feel like your 60. Unless you actually are 60. Total thread derailment here, but does anyone else get pissed of with the whole URM thing? I feel like if you got in under URM status you should have an ** next to your diploma. (To be candid, the two kids that got into my school because of URM are doing really well...) But seriously though, any one else who is white, asian, white/asian, get pissed off about URM's taking spots of people with better numbers?


At least have the balls to not post this anon.

I agree. In fact, I've taken care of that oversight, for mr. jones 1233.
He will also be taking a brief vacation.

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby 09042014 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:43 pm

buckilaw wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anything more than 5 years in biglaw, and you will feel like your 60. Unless you actually are 60. Total thread derailment here, but does anyone else get pissed of with the whole URM thing? I feel like if you got in under URM status you should have an ** next to your diploma. (To be candid, the two kids that got into my school because of URM are doing really well...) But seriously though, any one else who is white, asian, white/asian, get pissed off about URM's taking spots of people with better numbers?


At least have the balls to not post this anon.


If they are doing really well, that sounds like the adcoms did a great job choosing them for admission.

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:54 pm

KingRajesh wrote:
Adjudicator wrote:
KingRajesh wrote:
Veyron wrote:That and the leveraged model. Also, more like 3-4 years.

P.S. Based on that LSAT, doesn't look like its something you are going to have to worry about.


Leveraged model?

Also: No need to be a dick about my LSAT, I've got URM. ;)


URM helps you get into a good law school, but it doesn't help you get good grades.


Don't worry about that. ;) I got that under control.
Can somebody please get back on topic?


A 3.3 from a large state university isn't exactly something to brag about. Check your LSDAS report... my guess is that your GPA is median, at best, for your UG.

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:02 pm

RVP11 wrote:
Cupidity wrote:
RVP11 wrote:People, y'all need to go ask some 2Ls. URM doesn't help that much (if at all) in getting a BigLaw job.


I'm sorry, what?

What world do you live in? (Or at least, what market are you talking about) Boston/NY/DC URM is worth at least 30% on the curve.


You = 0L

I live in the world where people are actually attending law school.

If you think firms are pretending your grades are 1/3 of the class better just because of URM status then you're going to be in for a rude awakening come 2L OCI.


I know right.

LOL at the URM hiring boost. What year does he think this is, 2006?

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby Sup Kid » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:35 pm

bigben wrote:
Cupidity wrote:3/4 years is the typical range to lateral to a different firm, you can usually hang on to your associate position for 7 years at which point it is up or out. Partners make firms money, associates, especially the first 3 years, lose the firm money. The idea is that after 7 years, you either have what it takes to become a partner and bring in the cash for the firm, or you don't. The reason it is hard to lateral after 3-4 years is that the other firm assumes you don't have what it takes to make partner or you'd be staying.

LOLOLOL. Do the math. Associates are profitable from day one. Many leave within 3 years; firms would never hire them if they weren't profitable for 3 years. I've heard the false myth that 1st years are not profitable, but never 3rd years....

Even first years make money -- 2000 hours billed x $300/hour = $600,000 (compared to $170k salary/bonus) -- even with trainings, discounts to clients, etc, all associates billing 2000 hours are making the firm money

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Re: What is with this 5 years at biglaw and you're out?

Postby CryingMonkey » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:49 pm

mr. jones1233 wrote:Anything more than 5 years in biglaw, and you will feel like your 60. Unless you actually are 60.


From what I understand, bolded seems more or less credited - in my last job, I knew a fair number of people who had left biglaw after 3-4 because they wanted a chance at a less stressful life or felt like they were aging 10x as fast as they should've been.

mr. jones1233 wrote:Total thread derailment here, but does anyone else get pissed of with the whole URM thing? I feel like if you got in under URM status you should have an ** next to your diploma. (To be candid, the two kids that got into my school because of URM are doing really well...) But seriously though, any one else who is white, asian, white/asian, get pissed off about URM's taking spots of people with better numbers?


KingRajesh wrote:Also: No need to be a dick about my LSAT, I've got URM. ;)


Brief aside, as an URM I think both of these attitudes are pretty crappy.




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