UVa OGI 2011 thread Forum

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:08 am

Anonymous User wrote:
bgdddymtty wrote:This is all so silly. If you have a "not invited" from a firm, but no one else has confirmed that that firm has issued invitations, stop freaking out about it! You don't know anything yet.

Think of it like grades. Imagine if, instead of having blanks, SIS put in a B- for each class as a dummy until real grades come in. We're told that grades are supposed to be in by a certain day, but then Cary Bennett sends us an email at the last minute saying that, for whatever reason, several professors had not yet turned in their grades. If you then went to your grades, saw a bunch of B-'s, and thought, "Aaaaaauuugggghhhh! I'm going to /self! Why, cruel world, why?" you'd be an idiot. If you had confirmation from a bunch of classmates that particular grades were in, fine, draw conclusions about those. Otherwise, you're just getting worked up over (literally) nothing.
Would it kill Cary Bennett to send out an email clarifying which grades were real and which grades were dummies?

probably yes

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:yeah dawgs, pre-selects are definitely still rolling out. I just got a pre-select from a firm that someone else had posted as giving them a pre-select last night

THANK. FUCKING. GOD.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:09 am

Everyone needs to take a deep breath. This part of the process is very tense: the top (and I do mean very top, the top 5% especially) of the class currently controls a massively disproportionate share of the interview. Firms love preselecting the top and then letting things trickle down.

The situation is worse because only partial results were posted.

The basic bottom line is that unless you are in the top 5, 10 or 15 percent of the class you are likely to get a LOT more interviews by the time OGI starts. Every year we get a freak out around now. But between late firms, declined interviews flowing to alternates, the lottery, and special requests things will even out.

Last year, as an example, I and many I knew had 30, 40 or more preselects today and many I know who went on to have many interviews and got jobs were sitting on under 5 preselects. That's just the nature of the beast.

I personally believe the forecasts earlier in this thread were excessively rosey, but there's nothing to be done about that now.

Good luck and keep breathing.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:yeah dawgs, pre-selects are definitely still rolling out. I just got a pre-select from a firm that someone else had posted as giving them a pre-select last night

Firm?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:10 am

Anonymous User wrote:yeah dawgs, pre-selects are definitely still rolling out. I just got a pre-select from a firm that someone else had posted as giving them a pre-select last night

Which one?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:11 am

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:12 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:yeah dawgs, pre-selects are definitely still rolling out. I just got a pre-select from a firm that someone else had posted as giving them a pre-select last night
Firm?

Secondary Market

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:15 am

I don't know what to believe. I trust KD more than any other OCS person, and he still seems very upbeat about prospects this year.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:32 am

Law Review, Top 5%, significant work experience. All NY unless noted, * denotes alternate

Skadden
Simpson Thacher
Williams & Connolly (DC)
Davis Polk
WilmerHale (DC)
Cleary
Kirkland & Ellis
Arnold & Porter (DC)
hogan lovells (DC)
Shearman & Sterling (DC)
Ropes & Gray
Fulbright & Jaworski (DC)
Gibson Dunn (DC)
Dewey & LeBeouf
Dewey & LeBeouf (DC)
Proskauer
Quinn Emanuel
White & Case*
Dechert (DC)
Cooley
Hughes Hubbard (DC)
Linklaters
Sidley Austin (DC)*
Caplin & Drysdale
Wilkie Farr
Boies Schiller
Drinker Biddle (DC)
williams mullen (Richmond)
Goodwin Procter (DC)
Milbank Tweed (DC)
Venable (DC)
Vinson & Elkins (DC)

Not Invited:

Sullivan & Cromwell
Cravath
Weil
Debevoise
Shearman & Sterling (DC)
clifford chance (DC)
Cooley (DC)
Paul Weiss (DC)
Dickstein Shapiro (DC)
clifford chance (NY)
Allen & Overy (HONG KONG)
Latham & Watkins
Latham & Watkins (LA)
mcguirewoods (Ricmond)
Holland & Knight (DC)
Kenyon & Kenyon (NY)
Sidley Austin (NY)

Has anyone heard from S&C, Cravath or Weil?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:36 am

Anonymous User wrote:Law Review, Top 5%, significant work experience. All NY unless noted, * denotes alternate

Skadden
Simpson Thacher
Williams & Connolly (DC)
Davis Polk
WilmerHale (DC)
Cleary
Kirkland & Ellis
Arnold & Porter (DC)
Hogan Lovells (DC)
Shearman & Sterling (DC)
Ropes & Gray
Fulbright & Jaworski (DC)
Gibson Dunn (DC)
Dewey & LeBeouf
Dewey & LeBeouf (DC)
Proskauer
Quinn Emanuel
White & Case*
Dechert (DC)
Cooley
Hughes Hubbard (DC)
Linklaters
Sidley Austin (DC)*
Caplin & Drysdale
Wilkie Farr
Boies Schiller
Drinker Biddle (DC)
Williams Mullen (Richmond)
Goodwin Procter (DC)
Milbank Tweed (DC)
Venable (DC)
Vinson & Elkins (DC)

Not Invited:

Sullivan & Cromwell
Cravath
Weil
Debevoise
Shearman & Sterling (DC)
Clifford Chance (DC)
Cooley (DC)
Paul Weiss (DC)
Dickstein Shapiro (DC)
Clifford Chance (NY)
Allen & Overy (HONG KONG)
Latham & Watkins
Latham & Watkins (LA)
McGuireWoods (Ricmond)
Holland & Knight (DC)
Kenyon & Kenyon (NY)
Sidley Austin (NY)

Has anyone heard from S&C, Cravath or Weil?

Sullcrom's on the list of firms that requested an extension. But no, I haven't heard from any of those firms.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:37 am

i just declined a bunch of NYC alternates so if you bid nyc keep an eye on your list

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:39 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Has anyone heard from S&C, Cravath or Weil?

Anon earlier (top 10 percent, LR, decent work experience) — I have not heard from S&C, Cravath or Weil, either.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:44 am

While I did fine in NY (20+), a friend of mine with nearly exact same grades (actually higher), but slightly worse W/E got 6. What is going on?

Dear rising 1L's, take tuition money to Vegas. It seems to be a safer bet. There is blood on the street.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:46 am

Seems WE was a very big factor this year.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:46 am

Anonymous User wrote:While I did fine in NY (20+), a friend of mine with nearly exact same grades (actually higher), but slightly worse W/E got 6. What is going on?

Dear rising 1L's, take tuition money to Vegas. It seems to be a safer bet. There is blood on the street.

Grades for both?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:47 am

Anonymous User wrote:While I did fine in NY (20+), a friend of mine with nearly exact same grades (actually higher), but slightly worse W/E got 6. What is going on?

Dear rising 1L's, take tuition money to Vegas. It seems to be a safer bet. There is blood on the street.

just wait a few days ok?? there is every reason to believe that career services is telling the truth in saying that preselects will continue to be posted

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:47 am

It appears to be. I still don't see how WE can change it from 20+ to 6... especially when we're both in the top ~15%

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:52 am

Anonymous User wrote:It appears to be. I still don't see how WE can change it from 20+ to 6... especially when we're both in the top ~15%

I got 16 in NY with top 15% grades and zero WE. But a ton of my firms are ones like Brown Rudnick, Katten, King & Spalding, Curtis, Mallet-Prevost, etc. Swinging and missing on Fried Frank/Kirkland & Ellis/Proskauer/Linklaters/Paul Hastings/White & Case/Dewey/Ropes seems odd (all firms that people have reported having gotten interviews with).

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:54 am

Dear 0Ls,

Don't go to UVa.

KTHNX.

wackjickham · Post by **wackjickham** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:57 am

Anonymous User wrote:Dear 0Ls,

Don't go to UVa.

KTHNX.

Overreacting anonymous user is overreacting.

desertlaw · Post by **desertlaw** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:57 am

Anonymous User wrote:Seems WE was a very big factor this year.

Ya, but there are people in top 1/4 with WE that got less than 3 pre-selects in NYC.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:59 am

Preselects and alternates are still rolling in. I just had a "not invited" turn into a "preselect" before my eyes. Usually I'm all about the doomsday theories (and this morning I was seriously contemplating the unacceptable state of my life), but I don't think we should freak out until at least tomorrow morning.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:00 pm

Nightrunner wrote:
wackjickham wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Dear 0Ls,

Don't go to UVa.

KTHNX.
Overreacting anonymous user is overreacting.
In case it matters - said anonymous user is a UVA student, and a member of the class currently going through OGI.

it doesn't. wait until everything is settled

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Preselects and alternates are still rolling in. I just had a "not invited" turn into a "preselect" before my eyes. Usually I'm all about the doomsday theories (and this morning I was seriously contemplating the unacceptable state of my life), but I don't think we should freak out until at least tomorrow morning.

Firm/market?

Post by **Helmholtz** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:03 pm

IrwinM.Fletcher wrote:Non-UVA student here.

Oh my god.

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