Cutbacks at White & Case Forum

[rad lulz]

I heard about stealth layoffs in the NYC office from at least three different sources. Also, the partner could have been trying to spare my feelings, but I was blessed to work at a v10 this past summer so I wasn't exactly upset when I said that I didn't get a callback. Besides, I'm just paying it forward. To be honest, when I hear so many negative things about one firm from different sources, including a partner, it gives me pause.

Anyway, I wish all those who decided upon White & Case the best of luck

you got yield protected, obviously

The cream doesn't go to White and Case.

[Anonymous User]

I'm curious as to what their yeild will be. They seem to be a lot more selective this year. Wondering if it will backfire

I feel like this comment is coming from a place of confusion. If they "seem selective," that's probably more evidence that they're intentionally trimming their class size.

Anon from above. The offers that I know of are top 10% and on law review at t14s. It seems like those students would also have offers from higher ranked Vault firms. With rumored trouble there I would assume those students would go to the higher ranked firms. Leaving them with a smaller than expected class. I am sure they factor this all in. But traditionally W&C went deeper into the T14.

[fatduck]

I heard about stealth layoffs in the NYC office from at least three different sources. Also, the partner could have been trying to spare my feelings, but I was blessed to work at a v10 this past summer so I wasn't exactly upset when I said that I didn't get a callback. Besides, I'm just paying it forward. To be honest, when I hear so many negative things about one firm from different sources, including a partner, it gives me pause.

Anyway, I wish all those who decided upon White & Case the best of luck

you got yield protected, obviously

The cream doesn't go to White and Case.

no need to bring race into this

[SchopenhauerFTW]

White & Case: not even once.

[JamMasterJ]

@aces Can you link me to the anonymous post you referred to?

[aces]

Mods locked the topic and most of the relevant posts were scrubbed. I don't particularly want to find it again. Needless to say, I think it may be the root of a significant proportion of the White & Case rumors specifically about first-year layoffs.

Admittedly, White & Case did lay off a bunch of attorneys during the recession and there are certainly a lot of negative rumors about it generally. It's still a well-ranked and well-regarded firm, however, and there's no reason that vague rumors should push you away from it if it's the best firm that fits your practice area preferences or you really liked the people you met there.

[IAFG]

Mods locked the topic and most of the relevant posts were scrubbed. I don't particularly want to find it again. Needless to say, I think it may be the root of a significant proportion of the White & Case rumors specifically about first-year layoffs.

Admittedly, White & Case did lay off a bunch of attorneys during the recession and there are certainly a lot of negative rumors about it generally. It's still a well-ranked and well-regarded firm, however, and there's no reason that vague rumors should push you away from it if it's the best firm that fits your practice area preferences or you really liked the people you met there.

I have no idea why you assume that the rumor is based on that thread when multiple people in this one are citing IRL sources.

Oh wait, I do have some idea; just accepted a W&C offer?

[de5igual]

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0#p3742680

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[rad lulz]

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0#p3742680

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Son you been scooped.

[aces]

Mods locked the topic and most of the relevant posts were scrubbed. I don't particularly want to find it again. Needless to say, I think it may be the root of a significant proportion of the White & Case rumors specifically about first-year layoffs.

Admittedly, White & Case did lay off a bunch of attorneys during the recession and there are certainly a lot of negative rumors about it generally. It's still a well-ranked and well-regarded firm, however, and there's no reason that vague rumors should push you away from it if it's the best firm that fits your practice area preferences or you really liked the people you met there.

I have no idea why you assume that the rumor is based on that thread when multiple people in this one are citing IRL sources.

Oh wait, I do have some idea; just accepted a W&C offer?

Nah. In fact, after reading that thread and hearing other rumors, I lowered White & Case on my bidlist (and did not receive a screener with them), which may or may not have been the right thing to do at the time (ETA: didn't mean to imply that I struck out; received offers from great firms).

I suppose you're right that I could have the causality reversed here, but given the amount of play that thread got, you have to admit it's very possible that all the IRL sources just read the thread or heard rumors from others who had read the thread.

[Anonymous User]

I'm curious as to what their yeild will be. They seem to be a lot more selective this year. Wondering if it will backfire

I know someone who just got offered there like end of last week whose CB was a long time ago. It looked like he was going to strike out for several weeks. Take that FWIW

[keg411]

I heard about stealth layoffs in the NYC office from at least three different sources. Also, the partner could have been trying to spare my feelings, but I was blessed to work at a v10 this past summer so I wasn't exactly upset when I said that I didn't get a callback. Besides, I'm just paying it forward. To be honest, when I hear so many negative things about one firm from different sources, including a partner, it gives me pause.

Anyway, I wish all those who decided upon White & Case the best of luck

Love how the entire thread was basically set up as a bizarre humblebrag.

[IAFG]

I heard about stealth layoffs in the NYC office from at least three different sources. Also, the partner could have been trying to spare my feelings, but I was blessed to work at a v10 this past summer so I wasn't exactly upset when I said that I didn't get a callback. Besides, I'm just paying it forward. To be honest, when I hear so many negative things about one firm from different sources, including a partner, it gives me pause.

Anyway, I wish all those who decided upon White & Case the best of luck

Love how the entire thread was basically set up as a bizarre humblebrag.

I did rather wonder why someone with a V10 offer is expressing their butthurt about missing W&C to one of their partners. And then wants to analyze a statement that was one of a small handful of polite things a partner could say to someone under the circumstances.

[JusticeHarlan]

I suppose you're right that I could have the causality reversed here, but given the amount of play that thread got, you have to admit it's very possible that all the IRL sources just read the thread or heard rumors from others who had read the thread.

Yeah, I'm sure the partner mentioned in the OP got his info from a TLS thread. Good call.

(ETA: didn't mean to imply that I struck out; received offers from great firms).

Good thing you edited this, people might have gotten the wrong impression! I can't imagine the calamity that would have caused had you not put that in.

[aces]

I suppose you're right that I could have the causality reversed here, but given the amount of play that thread got, you have to admit it's very possible that all the IRL sources just read the thread or heard rumors from others who had read the thread.

Yeah, I'm sure the partner mentioned in the OP got his info from a TLS thread. Good call.

You know I wasn't referring to the partner in the OP. As discussed above, that statement doesn't mean much anyways. That said, reading through the thread again, someone mentioned hearing this from a midlevel associate at the firm-- that is a much more reliable source and substantiates things quite a bit.

(ETA: didn't mean to imply that I struck out; received offers from great firms).

Good thing you edited this, people might have gotten the wrong impression! I can't imagine the calamity that would have caused had you not put that in.

Just wanted to establish that I was a relatively neutral observer and not just pining after White & Case because I struck out. After all, someone already tried to call me out on being a White & Case summer.

[Younger Abstention]

Clearly the partner meant simply that White & Case took on less summer associates this year than they did last year. Such "cutbacks" are not unique to W&C. Instead, they are par for the course when comparing 2012 with 2011 recruiting, in NYC and also nationally. And IMO - shame on you, OP, for your misinterpretation, contribution to the negative rumors surrounding W&C, raising incoming SAs anxiety levels, and going behind your professor's back and posting this information publicly when surely he didn't want you to do that -- especially considering he was trying to make you feel better about not getting a callback (of which I'm not sure why you would awkwardly bring that up to him in the first place).

[20121109]

I heard about stealth layoffs in the NYC office from at least three different sources. Also, the partner could have been trying to spare my feelings, but I was blessed to work at a v10 this past summer so I wasn't exactly upset when I said that I didn't get a callback. Besides, I'm just paying it forward. To be honest, when I hear so many negative things about one firm from different sources, including a partner, it gives me pause.

Anyway, I wish all those who decided upon White & Case the best of luck

Love how the entire thread was basically set up as a bizarre humblebrag.

I did rather wonder why someone with a V10 offer is expressing their butthurt about missing W&C to one of their partners. And then wants to analyze a statement that was one of a small handful of polite things a partner could say to someone under the circumstances.

?

Someone asked if the partner was trying to be nice and I meant it in a way that said I wasn't upset when I said that I didn't get a callback... so there was probably no reason for him to assuage my feelings. It wasn't even the focus of my post. How did I know what people were gonna say lol...? It was nothing but an honest response. And I wasn't butthurt, it was a conversation with a partner about the successes and failures of my OCI process before class started. But you know, feel free to make up your own context.

[sunynp]

Clearly the partner meant simply that White & Case took on less summer associates this year than they did last year. Such "cutbacks" are not unique to W&C. Instead, they are par for the course when comparing 2012 with 2011 recruiting, in NYC and also nationally. And IMO - shame on you, OP, for your misinterpretation, contribution to the negative rumors surrounding W&C, raising incoming SAs anxiety levels, and going behind your professor's back and posting this information publicly when surely he didn't want you to do that -- especially considering he was trying to make you feel better about not getting a callback (of which I'm not sure why you would awkwardly bring that up to him in the first place).

Agree. 100%. No idea why OP feel the need to make this thread. It wouldn't be that hard to figure out the professor so she basically outed him for her own interests. There had been plenty of info on this firm already.

Not cool OP. Shows a serious lack of discretion.

And I think that one thread they were referring to was a thread where someone was laid off as a first year from corporate. That was back around the time bid list were starting to be due. People went insane trying to get the name of the firm.

[Bildungsroman]

I heard about stealth layoffs in the NYC office from at least three different sources. Also, the partner could have been trying to spare my feelings, but I was blessed to work at a v10 this past summer so I wasn't exactly upset when I said that I didn't get a callback. Besides, I'm just paying it forward. To be honest, when I hear so many negative things about one firm from different sources, including a partner, it gives me pause.

Anyway, I wish all those who decided upon White & Case the best of luck

Love how the entire thread was basically set up as a bizarre humblebrag.

I did rather wonder why someone with a V10 offer is expressing their butthurt about missing W&C to one of their partners. And then wants to analyze a statement that was one of a small handful of polite things a partner could say to someone under the circumstances.

?

Someone asked if the partner was trying to be nice and I meant it in a way that said I wasn't upset when I said that I didn't get a callback... so there was probably no reason for him to assuage my feelings. It wasn't even the focus of my post. How did I know what people were gonna say lol...? It was nothing but an honest response. And I wasn't butthurt, it was a conversation with a partner about the successes and failures of my OCI process before class started. But you know, feel free to make up your own context.

Well, as long as this thread wasn't just a poorly disguised way to brag through the butthurt.

Also, honey, constant use of ellipses is not a sign of a strong writer or a person with a clear point to make.

[20121109]

Well, as long as this thread wasn't just a poorly disguised way to brag through the butthurt.

Also, honey, constant use of ellipses is not a sign of a strong writer or a person with a clear point to make.

Two is constant? Thanks for the heads up Or perhaps you meant that one I included in the OP. Three is constant, then? Thanks.

Please tell me how many ellipses there are in this thread and comment on my writing skills: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4&t=193620.

Clearly the partner meant simply that White & Case took on less summer associates this year than they did last year. Such "cutbacks" are not unique to W&C. Instead, they are par for the course when comparing 2012 with 2011 recruiting, in NYC and also nationally. And IMO - shame on you, OP, for your misinterpretation, contribution to the negative rumors surrounding W&C, raising incoming SAs anxiety levels, and going behind your professor's back and posting this information publicly when surely he didn't want you to do that -- especially considering he was trying to make you feel better about not getting a callback (of which I'm not sure why you would awkwardly bring that up to him in the first place).

Agree. 100%. No idea why OP feel the need to make this thread. It wouldn't be that hard to figure out the professor so she basically outed him for her own interests. There had been plenty of info on this firm already.

Not cool OP. Shows a serious lack of discretion.

And I think that one thread they were referring to was a thread where someone was laid off as a first year from corporate. That was back around the time bid list were starting to be due. People went insane trying to get the name of the firm.

You're both entitled to your opinion, and I'm sorry if you feel that way. But I did not make this thread to further my own interests. If any of you remember that first year layoff thread you're referring to, I was also the person who PMed the masses with the name of the firm because people wanted to know for bidlists. Please see: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0#p5719609. I don't see how I had any vested interest in that but yet, I spread the name of the firm in question.

[rad lulz]

I heard about stealth layoffs in the NYC office from at least three different sources. Also, the partner could have been trying to spare my feelings, but I was blessed to work at a v10 this past summer so I wasn't exactly upset when I said that I didn't get a callback. Besides, I'm just paying it forward. To be honest, when I hear so many negative things about one firm from different sources, including a partner, it gives me pause.

Anyway, I wish all those who decided upon White & Case the best of luck

Love how the entire thread was basically set up as a bizarre humblebrag.

I did rather wonder why someone with a V10 offer is expressing their butthurt about missing W&C to one of their partners. And then wants to analyze a statement that was one of a small handful of polite things a partner could say to someone under the circumstances.

?

Someone asked if the partner was trying to be nice and I meant it in a way that said I wasn't upset when I said that I didn't get a callback... so there was probably no reason for him to assuage my feelings. It wasn't even the focus of my post. How did I know what people were gonna say lol...? It was nothing but an honest response. And I wasn't butthurt, it was a conversation with a partner about the successes and failures of my OCI process before class started. But you know, feel free to make up your own context.

Yeah, no.

The socially acceptable way to disseminate this info would be to post anon and say something like "a partner at my school works at White and Case, and he told me they were cutting hiring, blah blah." That would have effectively shielded the identity of your prof (because everyone knows where you go to school), that you go to H (because everyone knows where you go to school), and that you worked at a V10 firm 1L summer.

I mean hell, even if you had posted under your real name, there was no reason to bring up your 1L SA. The socially acceptable thing to say was "I have another offer I'm happy with, so I'm not that concerned." because instead it sounds like a mixture of thinly disguised "Look at me and my 1L and 2L V10 SA!" humblebrag, mixed with "why the hell didn't White and Case call me back??? Don't they know I had a V10 SA?? They should be attempting to fellate me to get me to sign and offer letter. Oh well, the CREAM doesn't go to White and Case." Your oh-so-empathtic "I wish everyone working at White and Case the best of luck! Smiley!" really put a nice cap on that one for me. All this would have been apparent even without your past "Getting drunk and taking Qs and poasting pics of my butt" poasting history.

Come on.

I'm taking a class with a corporate partner at one of White & Case's international offices, and after a brief introduction he told me that White & Case are making employment cutbacks. The [pertinent part of the] conversation went like this:

Gaia: Well, I worked for [firm] last summer. I interviewed with White & Case but they did not give me a callback!
W&C Partner: I'm not entirely sure that was any reflection on you. We're definitely making cutbacks this year so we didn't hire as much as usual....

Take this FWIW. But I've also heard from several sources that they've made first-year stealth layoffs recently. I don't mean to pontificate on the financial stability of White & Case and I'm not hinting at another Dewey, but please just be aware. When there's smoke - especially emanating from a partner's mouth - there is fire.

I heard about stealth layoffs in the NYC office from at least three different sources. Also, the partner could have been trying to spare my feelings, but I was blessed to work at a v10 this past summer so I wasn't exactly upset when I said that I didn't get a callback. Besides, I'm just paying it forward. To be honest, when I hear so many negative things about one firm from different sources, including a partner, it gives me pause.

Anyway, I wish all those who decided upon White & Case the best of luck

Also QFP, though that won't save this from the impending thread delete.

[somewhatwayward]

I don't want to wade into this further other than to say that other firms, ones who do not have a reputation for being in financial trouble, are also cutting back SA hiring this year, so that alone should not necessarily signal deep financial trouble, especially since, you know, hiring conservatively is financially prudent and could be a reason to select a firm. The reason I didn't bid on Weil last year was because jumping right back to hiring huge classes even though they were still deferring people does not equal financial responsibility IMO.

[20121109]

Love how the entire thread was basically set up as a bizarre humblebrag.

I did rather wonder why someone with a V10 offer is expressing their butthurt about missing W&C to one of their partners. And then wants to analyze a statement that was one of a small handful of polite things a partner could say to someone under the circumstances.

?

Someone asked if the partner was trying to be nice and I meant it in a way that said I wasn't upset when I said that I didn't get a callback... so there was probably no reason for him to assuage my feelings. It wasn't even the focus of my post. How did I know what people were gonna say lol...? It was nothing but an honest response. And I wasn't butthurt, it was a conversation with a partner about the successes and failures of my OCI process before class started. But you know, feel free to make up your own context.

Yeah, no.

The socially acceptable way to disseminate this info would be to post anon and say something like "a partner at my school works at White and Case, and he told me they were cutting hiring, blah blah." That would have effectively shielded the identity of your prof (because everyone knows where you go to school), that you go to H (because everyone knows where you go to school), and that you worked at a V10 firm 1L summer.

I mean hell, even if you had posted under your real name, there was no reason to bring up your 1L SA. The socially acceptable thing to say was "I have another offer I'm happy with, so I'm not that concerned." because instead it sounds like a mixture of thinly disguised "Look at me and my 1L and 2L V10 SA!" humblebrag, mixed with "why the hell didn't White and Case call me back??? Don't they know I had a V10 SA?? They should be attempting to fellate me to get me to sign and offer letter. Oh well, the CREAM doesn't go to White and Case." Your oh-so-empathtic "I wish everyone working at White and Case the best of luck! Smiley!" really put a nice cap on that one for me. All this would have been apparent even without your past "Getting drunk and taking Qs and poasting pics of my butt" poasting history.

Come on.

I'm taking a class with a corporate partner at one of White & Case's international offices, and after a brief introduction he told me that White & Case are making employment cutbacks. The [pertinent part of the] conversation went like this:

Gaia: Well, I worked for [firm] last summer. I interviewed with White & Case but they did not give me a callback!
W&C Partner: I'm not entirely sure that was any reflection on you. We're definitely making cutbacks this year so we didn't hire as much as usual....

Take this FWIW. But I've also heard from several sources that they've made first-year stealth layoffs recently. I don't mean to pontificate on the financial stability of White & Case and I'm not hinting at another Dewey, but please just be aware. When there's smoke - especially emanating from a partner's mouth - there is fire.

I heard about stealth layoffs in the NYC office from at least three different sources. Also, the partner could have been trying to spare my feelings, but I was blessed to work at a v10 this past summer so I wasn't exactly upset when I said that I didn't get a callback. Besides, I'm just paying it forward. To be honest, when I hear so many negative things about one firm from different sources, including a partner, it gives me pause.

Anyway, I wish all those who decided upon White & Case the best of luck

Also QFP, though that won't save this from the impending thread delete.

Eh. Feel free to shit on the messenger.

1. I'm not even at H right now; I'm studying abroad. Did you miss the part where I said he was a partner at one of the INTERNATIONAL offices? I mean, you quoted it for prosperity, right? So no, you don't know anything really. I could be talking about ANY of their international offices. So, I did not out anyone.
2. Definitely did not have a 1L SA so you coming out of left field with that one!


But think what you want! I know what my intentions were and it's not like I haven't tried to disseminate information about firms before. Please see my last post. Sorry if you think that way, Rad. I thought that sharing some information from a partner would have more credibility if you could put a face to the name, but it clearly backfired. My mistake!

[romothesavior]

I mean hell, even if you had posted under your real name, there was no reason to bring up your 1L SA. The socially acceptable thing to say was "I have another offer I'm happy with, so I'm not that concerned." because instead it sounds like a mixture of thinly disguised "Look at me and my 1L and 2L V10 SA!" humblebrag, mixed with "why the hell didn't White and Case call me back??? Don't they know I had a V10 SA?? They should be attempting to fellate me to get me to sign and offer letter. Oh well, the CREAM doesn't go to White and Case." Your oh-so-empathtic "I wish everyone working at White and Case the best of luck! Smiley!" really put a nice cap on that one for me. All this would have been apparent even without your past "Getting drunk and taking Qs and poasting pics of my butt" poasting history.

So much this. GAIA, you've been around here long enough to know basic etiquette, and you know damn well what we're talking about. Stop hiding behind the smiley faces and the faux surprise at the reaction people have to your stunning lack of self-awareness and blatant "look at me and my V10 offer!" flaunting.