Michigan State Law Class of 2012

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Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby wahlx062 » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:05 pm

For prospective members of MSU Law class of 2012. Questions/comments on MSU...post them and invite feedback.

Currently between here and University of St. Thomas. After the admitted student weekend I was very impressed with the school, making my decision that much more difficult.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby wbj204 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:26 am

I'm in at MSU as well, but a little dissapointed there was no $$$ attached. I really like the school and the program, but it just seems a bit pricier than many other options...

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby Lawguru » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:43 am

I applied on a whim to MSU the beginning of this month and received almost a full ride (it was free to apply, so why not). I'm choosing Iowa at rez tuition instead. I'm curious if any of you have been accepted to higher ranked schools (ie tier ones) and if so, why would you not go there?

Congrats on MSU, it is going to be a great school for sure. I am just curious about your thoughts on MSU and the potentially risky debt you'll be coming out with if you choose it over a well-known program (notice how I didn't say better!).

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby wahlx062 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:47 am

I also got into Marquette (T2). However, Michigan State seems to be a better program, although it's not T2. I'm actually between MSU and University of St. Thomas. I like UST's school, the faculty, and location.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby Lawguru » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:57 am

wahlx062 wrote:I also got into Marquette (T2). However, Michigan State seems to be a better program, although it's not T2. I'm actually between MSU and University of St. Thomas. I like UST's school, the faculty, and location.


I'm still sort of between UST and Iowa actually. Got a full ride there. I'll be 140k in debt (counting UG loans) when I get out of Iowa, so no debt would be nice, plus I LOVE MSP.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby AverageGuy » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:39 pm

I like MSU's program and facilities, although I'm worried about Michigan's economy (and MSU didn't give me any money, which would have made all the difference). I was admitted to a few T2 schools including Hofstra, St. Louis, Syracuse and Stetson. Unless you're talking about T14 schools, the prevailing wisdom is that applicants should select a school where we want to practice. I looked at the legal markets and whether I could see myself living/practicing law in that location when considering each school. St. Louis is #1 for health law and claims to place its students in health law nationally, but I wasn't absolutely sure that I wanted a certificate in health law.

I'll stay on a few T2 waitlists, but I decided to send in a MSU seat deposit.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby Lawguru » Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:49 pm

AverageGuy wrote:I like MSU's program and facilities, although I'm worried about Michigan's economy (and MSU didn't give me any money, which would have made all the difference). I was admitted to a few T2 schools including Hofstra, St. Louis, Syracuse and Stetson. Unless you're talking about T14 schools, the prevailing wisdom is that applicants should select a school where we want to practice. I looked at the legal markets and whether I could see myself living/practicing law in that location when considering each school. St. Louis is #1 for health law and claims to place its students in health law nationally, but I wasn't absolutely sure that I wanted a certificate in health law.

I'll stay on a few T2 waitlists, but I decided to send in a MSU seat deposit.


Yes and no though. At Iowa or Minnesota or Indiana, or even OSU, tons of grads practice out of that respective state. 70% did last year from Iowa alone. I want to wind up in the twin cities when I graduate, and I think the odds of getting I higher paying job there wen I get out go up dramatically if I go to Iowa over UST.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby AverageGuy » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:06 pm

MSU carries a Big10 name that carries weight outside of Michigan. I've told people who don't know about the US News Rankings that I put down a seat deposit at Michigan State, and they leaped to the conclusion that it's a good law school based on being associated with the university. I also told two older lawyers, who assumed it was a competitive school because it has big-school resources. I guess we'll know whether the choice was worth the debt in three years... if I'm living in my parent's basement and working as a lifeguard after law school, I'll know I should have picked a different school.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby AverageGuy » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:10 pm

I'm in love.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby crystalhawkeye » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:09 pm

Meh, cheerleaders will be at almost every school.

I'm not for sure going to MSU yet, but I am debating it more seriously now. I visited on Thursday and I must say, what an awesome campus. They have a forest randomly in the middle of campus, right next to the river. It doesn't get much better. The law building is spiffy, too, for those who haven't visited.

I've been accepted to Iowa (obviously) and was all but set on going, but the thought of those six-figures in debt vs. the 75% scholarship MSU offered is pretty damn ugly. If they up me to a full-ride, I will be going. If not, I'm not sure, but it will be hard to say no.

The one big deterrant for most is the liklihood of having to practice in Michigan. First of all, it isn't a certainty. MSU doesn't place terrifically OOS, but they are not all-inclusive for Michigan. Plenty go to Chicago, New Jersey, even Florida, oddly enough. And second, staying here wouldn't kill me. Living in Dexter, White Lake, or some such area and commuting to Ann Arbor, Troy, Birmingham, maybe even Detroit, to work would not be too bad a life. I wouldn't be making the big money, but with only ~$50K in debt toal, including UG and living costs, I wouldn't have to. I could live happily working 50-60hrs/wk. and live in an area very underappreciated.

P.S: Have you seen MSU's course offerings? They have some serious choices!

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby crystalhawkeye » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:58 pm

Just found this video on the school. Great shots of the school especially the Moot Court room.

How is that guy a 4L? Does that mean part-time or should I assume a serious typo?

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby prophecybysnakes » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:17 am

I just got the course catalogue as well and was seriously impressed with the choices...WHY is it so pricey....I hate making decisions...................

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby Richard B. Riddick » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:01 am

I'm in. MSU is rising fast, and I'm excited to get on board.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby crystalhawkeye » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:37 am

prophecybysnakes wrote:I just got the course catalogue as well and was seriously impressed with the choices...WHY is it so pricey....I hate making decisions...................

If you do well first year, they do make scholarship offers for 2/3Ls. So, you know, just excel at an incredibly rigorous line of study and you're golden....

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby fordtheriver » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:53 pm

Anyone have any luck negotiating up a scholly?

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby Anhimal » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:09 pm

For those of you that went to the March ASW, can you tell me how the "Housing Option" informational was? Was it useful? What did they tell you? Unfortunately, I can only stay in Michigan for one day during April's ASW and will be missing this part.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby fordtheriver » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:32 pm

What did everyone think of the ASD for those of us who couldn't make it? What were the prospective students like? The current students?

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby AverageGuy » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:13 pm

Anyone get any info about the grad student dorm at the ASD? I can't get away from school to go to an ASD, which is frustrating.

I read in one of the law school books that the singles in the grad student dorm are really small. What exactly does that mean? A big closet? Positives: rolling out of bed and getting to class in five minutes, not worrying about shoveling out a car and driving to school in MI snow, and having a year to check out apartments and find a compatible roommate.

On the other hand, I'm not sure about being surrounded by other law students 24-7. I also can't imagine inviting someone over to my "dorm room" at my age, made even worse if it's a closet.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby crystalhawkeye » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:29 pm

I didn't take the tour of the on-campus housing, but given the low cost of living in most of the mid-west, I'd just get an apartment. One current student said she'd never live in the grad housing. The short walk would be nice, but I would want a place away from the school, to feel like you "get away" somewhere.

Current students seemed pretty cool, although my tour guide was a bit hyper. Didn't seem too uptight all around and did talk a lot about open-door professors and the like. Being as big as it is, I don't know what kind of community feeling you'd get, maybe a bit competitive due to the strict requirements for OCI. But with E. Lansing being as cool as it is, and campus as nice, there would likely be plenty to do to get away.

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby prophecybysnakes » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:44 am

crystalhawkeye wrote:
prophecybysnakes wrote:I just got the course catalogue as well and was seriously impressed with the choices...WHY is it so pricey....I hate making decisions...................

If you do well first year, they do make scholarship offers for 2/3Ls. So, you know, just excel at an incredibly rigorous line of study and you're golden....


Yeah, cake...

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Re: Michigan State Law Class of 2012

Postby tbullet7 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:10 am

I'm having a hard time making a decision about MSU law school. I'm relatively attached to the state and was offered a full ride as part of the King Scholars program (which includes some pretty cool stuff outside of just the tuition). However, I was also offered half tuition at U of Illinois. What do people think? I've heard a lot about MSU's poor ranking and how this could seriously cripple job prospects elsewhere, but does anyone know how this is affected if you graduate near the top of your class?




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