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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:03 pm

Pearalegal wrote:
MTal wrote: however, the ad also states that they are looking for someone to assist with ALL aspects of no fault litigation, which ON TOP of mentioning that they are looking for an admitted attorney, suggests that they are primarily looking for an attorney to fill this position.


Also, that wording ("assisting in ALL aspects...") was the exact wording my firm used in its search for paralegals.

Second, they also mention paralegals.


So a para can take depositions, cross-examine witnesses, and make closing arguments?? Because that's what ALL aspects of no-fault litigation would entail.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:04 pm

hank44 wrote:OP, how do you find so much time to post on here if you are an attorney? Perhaps this work ethic is why you ended up with a job you don't seem to like?

He's not an attorney. Next, ask when he graduated.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby hank44 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:05 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
hank44 wrote:OP, how do you find so much time to post on here if you are an attorney? Perhaps this work ethic is why you ended up with a job you don't seem to like?

He's not an attorney. Next, ask when he graduated.


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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby D. H2Oman » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:05 pm

I'd like to thank MTal for taking time out of his busy life to try to help us out. What a great guy, thanks buddy.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Pearalegal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:07 pm

MTal wrote:So a para can take depositions, cross-examine witnesses, and make closing arguments?? Because that's what ALL aspects of no-fault litigation would entail.


Haha, they can organize depositions, prepare for the exhibits, assist with prep and research for closing arguments, yes. Among many other things. And I believe all of that would be included in "assisting"

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby D. H2Oman » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:08 pm

hank44 wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
hank44 wrote:OP, how do you find so much time to post on here if you are an attorney? Perhaps this work ethic is why you ended up with a job you don't seem to like?

He's not an attorney. Next, ask when he graduated.


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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Scurredsitless1 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:10 pm

I did a lot of negotiating as a claim agent (i didn't work for an insurance company). Much of it was with other non-attorneys. Cases up to $100k, and often as law suits.

But I get what you're saying, even if the job is available to non-attorneys, there's a pretty good chance an unemployeed attorney might take that job.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby hank44 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:11 pm

Dwaterman86 wrote:
hank44 wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
hank44 wrote:OP, how do you find so much time to post on here if you are an attorney? Perhaps this work ethic is why you ended up with a job you don't seem to like?

He's not an attorney. Next, ask when he graduated.


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"Eventually I just got burned out and quit paying attention, e.g. screwing around on my laptop instead of taking notes."

Ahh, I see now.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby 09042014 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:14 pm

Quitting law school to get into finance seems like frying pan to fire scenario to me.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby hypermeganet » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:18 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Quitting law school to get into finance seems like frying pan to fire scenario to me.


I'm doing the opposite. Probably 6 of one, eh?

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:19 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Quitting law school to get into finance seems like frying pan to fire scenario to me.


In the latter, I get a steady paycheck plus 2 licenses (series 7+and 63) ALL paid for (including study time) by my sponsoring company. Contrast this with the former where I would literally go tens of thousands of dollars into debt (pretty cheap for law actually) +bar exam fees (more loans again) all for the small chance of ever becoming a lawyer.

As a side note, I love how this thread has devolved entirely into personal attacks against me rather than a discussion of that atrocious ad. If you don't like the message, you resort to the dumbest/oldest trick in the book, which is shooting the messenger! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Matthies » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:20 pm

MTal wrote:
Matthies wrote:Protip - use craigslist to find: used furniture, a roommate, or a Philippino she male. Don’t use Craigslist to find a legal job.


Apart from OCI which is only availabe to the top 10 % of students at most schools, could you please point us to the magical legal database of plush lawyer jobs, with dozens of postings for every city? The fact is that if you haven't secured a job through OCI or a judicial clerkship, C-list is what you're stuck with.


How many clerk postions have you had? How many legal jobs have you applied for while you were a 1L? How many firms have you worked for? How many lawyers and judges do you know? But your still an expert on how hiring works in a professon your where never really in and are not in now?

Ugh this, not understanding how people find jobs in the legal world, is the main reason law students have such a hard time finding decent jobs if they strike out from OCI. The single best way to find a job is knowing people in the legal community who can refer you for positions that are not even advertised yet.

If law students would get their asses out of the law school, join the bar association invest in meeting some lawyers and judges before they graduate they would not have to resort to replying to craigslist want ads. But they don’t. They put all their eggs in the OCI basket then act shocked when they have no job, no contacts and no hope after law school. Who you know beats everything else.

Additionally, in my market the bar association runs a job lsitever, 2-3 new attorney jobs and recently 4-5 paralegal jobs get posted each week. Why would they post jobs on the bar associations website? I have no idea, maybe its because they hope other lawyers might not recommend crap and they don’t have to resort putting out a news paper add and getting 500 resumes for one position. Of course you have to be a member of the local bar association, which is free for students, but surprisingly, again most law students don’t even join.

There are jobs out there, the better jobs get taken by the proactive applicants and lesser jobs get taken by the re-active applicants waiting for someone to post on Craigslist a job so 1000 people can apply for it.


How do you think lawyers lateral? They wait for a want add on cragislist sayi ng LATERAL WANTED. Or maybe they ask people they know, other lawyers and stuff, if they know of anything. I know, its crazy to ask people, like other lawyers and stuff, if there are any jobs out there when you can rely on Craigslist. But people do crazy things.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby TTTTT » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:22 pm

Dwaterman86 wrote:
hank44 wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
hank44 wrote:OP, how do you find so much time to post on here if you are an attorney? Perhaps this work ethic is why you ended up with a job you don't seem to like?

He's not an attorney. Next, ask when he graduated.


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OMFHG What a douche.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby hank44 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:24 pm

MTal wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Quitting law school to get into finance seems like frying pan to fire scenario to me.


In the latter, I get a steady paycheck plus 2 licenses (series 7+and 63) ALL paid for (including study time) by my sponsoring company. Contrast this with the former where I would literally go tens of thousands of dollars into debt (pretty cheap for law actually) +bar exam fees (more loans again) all for the small chance of ever becoming a lawyer.

As a side note, I love how this thread has devolved entirely into personal attacks against me rather than a discussion of that atrocious ad. If you don't like the message, you resort to the dumbest/oldest trick in the book, which is shooting the messenger! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Is your sponsoring company paying for you to be on TLS?

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:31 pm

MTal wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Quitting law school to get into finance seems like frying pan to fire scenario to me.


In the latter, I get a steady paycheck plus 2 licenses (series 7+and 63) ALL paid for (including study time) by my sponsoring company. Contrast this with the former where I would literally go tens of thousands of dollars into debt (pretty cheap for law actually) +bar exam fees (more loans again) all for the small chance of ever becoming a lawyer.

As a side note, I love how this thread has devolved entirely into personal attacks against me rather than a discussion of that atrocious ad. If you don't like the message, you resort to the dumbest/oldest trick in the book, which is shooting the messenger! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

We're doing both. Pear and I are ably demonstrating that you know nothing about actual practice, and your post history is doing most of the legwork in making you seem like a cantankerous old man.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Pearalegal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:32 pm

Kohinoor wrote:We're doing both. Pear and I are ably demonstrating that you know nothing about actual practice, and your post history is doing most of the legwork in making you seem like a cantankerous old man.


Yeah, you stopped responding to us.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Z3RO » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:34 pm

It's futile to keep feeding this flame.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby thinkbig » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:36 pm

MTal wrote:$8/hour position for an ADMITTED attorney in NY...! Honestly, I will just let this ad speak for itself.

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Edit: I doubt you could survive on this "salary" in NY debt free...now add in a 6 figure law school loan and you've got the makings of a very sad situation.

Edit 2: Changed the thread title.


Chill everyone.. it's obviously a JOKE!

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:56 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
MTal wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Quitting law school to get into finance seems like frying pan to fire scenario to me.


In the latter, I get a steady paycheck plus 2 licenses (series 7+and 63) ALL paid for (including study time) by my sponsoring company. Contrast this with the former where I would literally go tens of thousands of dollars into debt (pretty cheap for law actually) +bar exam fees (more loans again) all for the small chance of ever becoming a lawyer.

As a side note, I love how this thread has devolved entirely into personal attacks against me rather than a discussion of that atrocious ad. If you don't like the message, you resort to the dumbest/oldest trick in the book, which is shooting the messenger! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

We're doing both. Pear and I are ably demonstrating that you know nothing about actual practice, and your post history is doing most of the legwork in making you seem like a cantankerous old man.


I have about as much experience PRACTICING law as you do. The fact is that you've spent 10+ posts on splitting hairs about whether this ad is for an attorney or a paralegal, when the ad clearly says in plain and unambiguous writing that they're looking for an ADMITTED ATTORNEY as well as a paralegal. Now how about addressing the substance of THAT, rather than what kind of para bitchwork can overlap with what an attorney does.

The bottom line is that any freshly minted JD who applies for this has to feel like a complete and utter loser.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:15 pm

MTal wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
MTal wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Quitting law school to get into finance seems like frying pan to fire scenario to me.


In the latter, I get a steady paycheck plus 2 licenses (series 7+and 63) ALL paid for (including study time) by my sponsoring company. Contrast this with the former where I would literally go tens of thousands of dollars into debt (pretty cheap for law actually) +bar exam fees (more loans again) all for the small chance of ever becoming a lawyer.

As a side note, I love how this thread has devolved entirely into personal attacks against me rather than a discussion of that atrocious ad. If you don't like the message, you resort to the dumbest/oldest trick in the book, which is shooting the messenger! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

We're doing both. Pear and I are ably demonstrating that you know nothing about actual practice, and your post history is doing most of the legwork in making you seem like a cantankerous old man.


I have about as much experience PRACTICING law as you do. The fact is that you've spent 10+ posts on splitting hairs about whether this ad is for an attorney or a paralegal, when the ad clearly says in plain and unambiguous writing that they're looking for an ADMITTED ATTORNEY as well as a paralegal. Now how about addressing the substance of THAT, rather than what kind of para bitchwork can overlap with what an attorney does.

The bottom line is that any freshly minted JD who applies for this has to feel like a complete and utter loser.
Unless you've worked as a paralegal, you have far less experience with the practice of law than I do. We spent that time splitting hairs because you were arrogantly making authoritative sounding statements that were completely baseless. In your first two posts you were just generally insulting, then in your third you stepped into bizarro world and called Pear clueless when you don't know anything about anything.














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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Yoquiero » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:18 pm

I like this topic.


The bottom line is that any freshly minted JD who applies for this has to feel like a complete and utter loser.

Seems like the Cooley students would know what waited for them afterwards. I doubt they're surprised when they take this job.

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Re: 7 years of HED + 6 figures of law school debt, all for$8/hr?

Postby Matthies » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:22 pm

MTal wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
MTal wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Quitting law school to get into finance seems like frying pan to fire scenario to me.


In the latter, I get a steady paycheck plus 2 licenses (series 7+and 63) ALL paid for (including study time) by my sponsoring company. Contrast this with the former where I would literally go tens of thousands of dollars into debt (pretty cheap for law actually) +bar exam fees (more loans again) all for the small chance of ever becoming a lawyer.

As a side note, I love how this thread has devolved entirely into personal attacks against me rather than a discussion of that atrocious ad. If you don't like the message, you resort to the dumbest/oldest trick in the book, which is shooting the messenger! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

We're doing both. Pear and I are ably demonstrating that you know nothing about actual practice, and your post history is doing most of the legwork in making you seem like a cantankerous old man.


I have about as much experience PRACTICING law as you do.


Most paralegals with one year experience will have done more actual legal type work in that year than most biglaw first year associates will in the same 12 months. Lawyers write stuff, legal secretaries make sure it looks good and paralegals makes sure it’s right before they turn it in with your signature on it.

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Re: RECESSION PANIC MEGAPOST: Bad economy threads go here!

Postby j2d3 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:38 pm

I have a high paying job in IT. Been in the profession for 12 yrs. Hope 2 attend a top tier ls with an excellent cs. Dept. 4 a dual degree in either infoscience or cs (Ms or phd)... focusing on getting into jd program first. I know I can make enough in IT 2 both offset costs during school and payback loans. Maybe want 2 be general counsel at big IT company... maybe do Ip from. A policy standpoint. When done with ls, if I can't get a job then its global financial Armageddon and we're all fcked.
.together... ;)

Edit. .. excuse crazy typing... at a conference about Amazon cloud ifrastructure typing on my gphone. BORED

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Re: RECESSION PANIC MEGAPOST: Bad economy threads go here!

Postby MTal » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:43 pm

laidoffjournalist wrote: I too have decided law school cannot possibly be worse than my situation right now. Ha.


Then imagine graduating from law school with 6 figure debt and applying for THIS:

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Re: RECESSION PANIC MEGAPOST: Bad economy threads go here!

Postby bumblebeetoona » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:46 pm

VoidSix wrote:I was going to say, I WATCHED Obama sign that bill last Spring. Anyhow, I know Bush signed something similar (but smaller).


Indeed. I saw the dates on the bottom of the graph that go back to 2007, and I was like WTF, he wasn't president then. I get it now.




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