CLASS OF 2018 MEDIANS! (LSAT/GPA/Class Size)

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Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:18 pm

Moneytrees wrote:
MAPP wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:Minnesota's placement numbers are mediocre, it has no national reputation or network, it costs an arm and a leg, and ghostly portraits of dead men festoon their classrooms.


UMN has less need for a national reputation than schools like UWash and Vandy that are in states with no legal market. UMN grads can easily get biglaw jobs in Minneapolis starting at 120k, whereas those other schools have to send people to the coasts, which should make them less attractive because you are competing with grads from Penn, Harvard, Berkeley, etc whereas UMN dominates its own niche biglaw market.


This is not supported by any data. Only like 10 to 15% of each graduating class gets Biglaw jobs out of Minnesota. Which would be fine, if it didn't cost so damn much. It's the epitome of mediocrity.


Michigan is the epitome of mediocrity. Minnesota is straight-up bad.

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Postby MAPP » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:53 pm

Moneytrees wrote:
MAPP wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:Minnesota's placement numbers are mediocre, it has no national reputation or network, it costs an arm and a leg, and ghostly portraits of dead men festoon their classrooms.


UMN has less need for a national reputation than schools like UWash and Vandy that are in states with no legal market. UMN grads can easily get biglaw jobs in Minneapolis starting at 120k, whereas those other schools have to send people to the coasts, which should make them less attractive because you are competing with grads from Penn, Harvard, Berkeley, etc whereas UMN dominates its own niche biglaw market.


This is not supported by any data. Only like 10 to 15% of each graduating class gets Biglaw jobs out of Minnesota. Which would be fine, if it didn't cost so damn much. It's the epitome of mediocrity.


15.8% biglaw plus 20.4% in judicial clerkships which should lead to biglaw if the person chooses.

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Postby cannibal ox » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:54 pm

MAPP wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:
MAPP wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:Minnesota's placement numbers are mediocre, it has no national reputation or network, it costs an arm and a leg, and ghostly portraits of dead men festoon their classrooms.


UMN has less need for a national reputation than schools like UWash and Vandy that are in states with no legal market. UMN grads can easily get biglaw jobs in Minneapolis starting at 120k, whereas those other schools have to send people to the coasts, which should make them less attractive because you are competing with grads from Penn, Harvard, Berkeley, etc whereas UMN dominates its own niche biglaw market.


This is not supported by any data. Only like 10 to 15% of each graduating class gets Biglaw jobs out of Minnesota. Which would be fine, if it didn't cost so damn much. It's the epitome of mediocrity.


15.8% biglaw plus 20.4% 4.2% in judicial federal clerkships which should lead to biglaw if the person chooses.

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Postby landshoes » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:35 pm

Biglaw jobs in the twin cities are at sweatshop firms.

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Postby MAPP » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:43 pm

cannibal ox wrote:
15.8% biglaw plus 20.4% 4.2% in judicial federal clerkships which should lead to biglaw if the person chooses.


This is true. I admit I ran to UMN's defense without looking closely at the data :roll:. My real objection was that 110-120k average starting salary in the private sector was somehow considered mediocre. Factoring in cost of living would make those numbers even higher.

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Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:48 pm

MAPP wrote:
cannibal ox wrote:
15.8% biglaw plus 20.4% 4.2% in judicial federal clerkships which should lead to biglaw if the person chooses.


This is true. I admit I ran to UMN's defense without looking closely at the data :roll:. My real objection was that 110-120k average starting salary in the private sector was somehow considered mediocre. Factoring in cost of living would make those numbers even higher.

Moneytrees wrote:Minnesota's placement numbers are mediocre

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Postby MAPP » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:04 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:


Moneytrees wrote:
How does such a mediocre school keep those medians?


I would argue that biglaw placement alone isn't the only factor in assessing mediocrity.

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Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:50 pm

MAPP wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:


Moneytrees wrote:
How does such a mediocre school keep those medians?


I would argue that biglaw placement alone isn't the only factor in assessing mediocrity.


Yeah, we forgot to mention the $48k per year in tuition.

Now I think we're good.

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Postby jbagelboy » Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:00 am

Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
MAPP wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:Minnesota's placement numbers are mediocre, it has no national reputation or network, it costs an arm and a leg, and ghostly portraits of dead men festoon their classrooms.


UMN grads can easily get biglaw jobs in Minneapolis starting at 120k


This is news to 85% of Minnesota grads.


^this. Tell my UMN law grad friends in solo practices or unemployed how easy it was for them to get one of the couple dozen large firm positions across the state (for which they in fact are competing with Michigan, Harvard, and Northwestern grads).

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Postby Arculease » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:31 pm

Wake Forest is out

Class Size: 141 (-38)
GPA 25/50/75: 3.37/3.60(+.02)/2.73(-.04)
LSAT 25/50/75: 157/161/162(-1)

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Postby JCougar » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:40 pm

landshoes wrote:Biglaw jobs in the twin cities are at sweatshop firms.


So are the ones in NYC.

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Postby JGMotorsport » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:50 am

Huskies13! wrote:Confirmed...still no medians...https://www.law.asu.edu/degree-programs/jd


No medians--but a friend at an admissions fair was given the following info from ASU rep:

Entering class
225 (apparently they have 8 "advanced standing" JDs)
GPA: 3.38 (+.01)/??/3.80 (+0.02)
LSAT: 158 (+1)/??/163 (0)

This was "as of" orientation they told him.


The "Advanced Standing" JDs are international students. Like those attending law school in Mexico or South America etc.

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Postby eagle2a » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:09 pm

University of St. Thomas - Minn

LSAT: 154
GPA: 3.48 (+.07)
Size: 103 (-21)

https://www.stthomas.edu/law/jd/admission/profile/

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Postby eagle2a » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:11 pm

St. Thomas (FL)

Class Size: 229 (-4)

https://www.stu.edu/law/about/facts-statistics

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Postby Rigo » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:54 pm

The new 509's have to be coming out soon.

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Postby Huskies13! » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:55 pm

Yep--some are up. Fordham, for example, shows they managed a 163 median depsite a 159 among part time! Well done FOrdham.

http://www.fordham.edu/info/20612/admis ... isclosures

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Postby cantorb » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:30 pm

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Postby Rigo » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:37 pm

Probably is a bit strong. They may have gone up for all we know.

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Postby RareExports » Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:23 pm

Saint Louis University

158/155/152 (0/0/+1)
3.66/3.44/3.17 (+.01/-.02/-.02)
170 total 1L enrollment (+5)

http://law.slu.edu/sites/default/files/ ... 9-2015.pdf

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Postby gneron » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:57 pm

GW released:

158/165/166 (-1/0/0)
3.38/3.71/3.80 (-.04/0/0)
471 total 1L (-66)

http://www.law.gwu.edu/Admissions/Docum ... InfoReport[2].pdf

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Postby Rigo » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:58 pm

Nice decrease in class size.

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Postby imperspective » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:03 am

Stanford

173 (-1)
171 (-1)
169

3.97
3.89 (-.01)
3.78 (-.02)

https://law.stanford.edu/aba-required-disclosures/

Do you think they will still be tied with Harvard?

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Postby Rigo » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:13 am

Finally!

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Postby xael » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:46 am

imperspective wrote:Stanford

173 (-1)
171 (-1)
169

3.97
3.89 (-.01)
3.78 (-.02)

https://law.stanford.edu/aba-required-disclosures/

Do you think they will still be tied with Harvard?


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Postby nicknar » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:14 am

imperspective wrote:Stanford

173 (-1)
171 (-1)
169

3.97
3.89 (-.01)
3.78 (-.02)

https://law.stanford.edu/aba-required-disclosures/

Do you think they will still be tied with Harvard?


You have no idea how much false hope this is giving me.



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