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UVA at sticker

Postby Charlie.Home » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:09 pm

I want to work big law, but is UVA at sticker worth it? In contrast to in-state tuition at ASU with good chance for potential scholarships.

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby NoodleyOne » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:11 pm

DROVES, etc.

General consensus is sticker at anywhere but HYS is a dangerous bet. UVA more so than many of the T14.

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby FattyMcFatFat » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:23 pm

Whoawhoawhoa. Although it depends on your definition of the word "many," I do not think it is true that UVA is a more dangerous bet than "many" of the T14. Sticker outside [s]H[/s]YS is arguably dangerous though.
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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby Swimp » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:27 pm

FattyMcFatFat wrote:[s]H[/s]YS


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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby NoodleyOne » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:27 pm

FattyMcFatFat wrote:Whoawhoawhoa. Although it depends on your definition of the word "many," I do not think it is true that UVA is a more dangerous bet than "many" of the T14. Sticker outside [s]H[/s]YS is arguably dangerous though.


The T6, Penn, and NU being the ones I refer to that are arguably better deals for big law. Considering the University funded jobs and the mediocre job stats, UVA at sticker is certainly a gamble.

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby UVAIce » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:52 pm

NoodleyOne wrote:
FattyMcFatFat wrote:Whoawhoawhoa. Although it depends on your definition of the word "many," I do not think it is true that UVA is a more dangerous bet than "many" of the T14. Sticker outside [s]H[/s]YS is arguably dangerous though.


The T6, Penn, and NU being the ones I refer to that are arguably better deals for big law. Considering the University funded jobs and the mediocre job stats, UVA at sticker is certainly a gamble.


This is very 0Lish. The NLJ250 numbers between UVA, Duke, and NYU are within 1% of each other. I would also be willing to bet that job outcomes for UVA grads with work experience is on par with that of NU grads. TLS has tunnel vision when it comes to employment numbers for a lot of schools. Most of the "heat" on UVA has been the fact that the school did employ fund 17% of students from the most recent graduating class. Of course that ignores the fact that Chicago, NYU, and Cornell all had a school funded rate ~12%.

That all being said, I attend UVA Law and would not recommend attending at sticker price - especially if you are out of state. But I also think it is foolish to simply say "T6" and up are good to go bro! Think about what your credentials are before law school and where you realistically want to practice law.

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby Br3v » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:53 pm

NoodleyOne wrote:
FattyMcFatFat wrote:Whoawhoawhoa. Although it depends on your definition of the word "many," I do not think it is true that UVA is a more dangerous bet than "many" of the T14. Sticker outside [s]H[/s]YS is arguably dangerous though.


The T6, Penn, and NU being the ones I refer to that are arguably better deals for big law. Considering the University funded jobs and the mediocre job stats, UVA at sticker is certainly a gamble.


UVA employment stats and penn are virtually the same?

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby FattyMcFatFat » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:03 pm

I was going to respond, but then I realized this pretty much sums it up:
UVAIce wrote:This is very 0Lish. The NLJ250 numbers between UVA, Duke, and NYU are within 1% of each other. I would also be willing to bet that job outcomes for UVA grads with work experience is on par with that of NU grads. TLS has tunnel vision when it comes to employment numbers for a lot of schools. Most of the "heat" on UVA has been the fact that the school did employ fund 17% of students from the most recent graduating class. Of course that ignores the fact that Chicago, NYU, and Cornell all had a school funded rate ~12%.

That all being said, I attend UVA Law and would not recommend attending at sticker price - especially if you are out of state. But I also think it is foolish to simply say "T6" and up are good to go bro! Think about what your credentials are before law school and where you realistically want to practice law.


Also, I think Noodleyone might be pretending that one or two years of data paints and accurate long-run picture of employment prospects.

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby Charlie.Home » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:27 pm

I appreciate the comments thus far, but I was trying to compare UVA sticker with schools in the T30-T20 range with greatly discounted tuition. I want to work big law, so please take that in to consideration.

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby FattyMcFatFat » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:29 pm

Charlie.Home wrote:I appreciate the comments thus far, but I was trying to compare UVA sticker with schools in the T30-T20 range with greatly discounted tuition. I want to work big law, so please take that in to consideration.

Roughly on point:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=197173

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby Rahviveh » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:30 pm

go to uva if you want biglaw. make sure thats what you want to do though.

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby NoodleyOne » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:54 pm

FattyMcFatFat wrote:I was going to respond, but then I realized this pretty much sums it up:
UVAIce wrote:This is very 0Lish. The NLJ250 numbers between UVA, Duke, and NYU are within 1% of each other. I would also be willing to bet that job outcomes for UVA grads with work experience is on par with that of NU grads. TLS has tunnel vision when it comes to employment numbers for a lot of schools. Most of the "heat" on UVA has been the fact that the school did employ fund 17% of students from the most recent graduating class. Of course that ignores the fact that Chicago, NYU, and Cornell all had a school funded rate ~12%.

That all being said, I attend UVA Law and would not recommend attending at sticker price - especially if you are out of state. But I also think it is foolish to simply say "T6" and up are good to go bro! Think about what your credentials are before law school and where you realistically want to practice law.


Also, I think Noodleyone might be pretending that one or two years of data paints and accurate long-run picture of employment prospects.


I might be overstating the case somewhat, I'll admit. To be fair I also didn't say it's T6 thumbs up, though. Maybe it's my proximity to UVA and my dislike of them juking the stats, but I do view them distinctly below many of the other top schools.

Still, point stands and it's not one I disagree with. Sticker anywhere is a risky proposition.

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby Lawquacious » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:17 pm

How is the comparison UVA at sticker v. ASU with only the possibility of money? If you got into UVA, ASU should be willing to give you at the bare minimum a half-scholly for all three years (they seem to play games with this though, not guaranteeing all three years, or at least they did in the past).

I think UVA is the better choice unless you get a full-ride at ASU. Even then, UVA gives an exponential advantage over ASU in terms of big law, although the reduced COA at ASU would help mitigate the likelihood you won't get biglaw from ASU, and obviously there is a substantial risk you won't get biglaw from UVA either.

Sticker is a risk, but UVA is a top school and really the decision for what is worth it is a very personal and is relative to what your other options are.
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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby gaud » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:19 pm

OP, if you want BigLaw your best bet would be UVA (assuming you're between ASU and UVA)


I know a little about ASU :wink:

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby gaud » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:23 pm

Lawquacious wrote:How is the comparison UVA at sticker v. ASU with only the possibility of money? I think UVA is the better choice unless you pretty much get a full-ride at ASU. Even then UVA gives a exponential advantage over ASU in terms of big law, although the reduced COA at ASU would help mitigate the likelihood you won't get biglaw from ASU.


I think ASU only hands out a few full-rides each year. There isn't a large scholly endowment.

If OP wants BigLaw = UVA
If OP wants to work anywhere other than AZ = UVA
If OP wants little to no student debt = ASU

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Re: UVA at sticker

Postby bk1 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:12 pm

If you're okay with working biglaw in NYC and truly want biglaw I would take the risk at UVA. That being said it is financially risky.

If you don't want to work in NYC then you should go to ASU but you likely won't end up in biglaw.




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