Need Advise ASAP please

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bk1
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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby bk1 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:09 pm

I don't think there's anybody who can refute a Legally Blond quote.

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby 20130312 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:58 pm

bk1 wrote:I don't think there's anybody who can refute a Legally Blond quote.


Oh, word. I take it all back.

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby Clearly » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:49 pm

OP, you're being ridiculous. If you really just want to go to school now, just acknowledge that it's likely a terrible idea, but your gonna roll the dice... Don't try to convince us that the laws of statics are invalid, or that you will be in the top 15% of a group of people you haven't met yet, many of whom could have gone to a better school but will attend on a full scholorship. Your confident obviously...were you confident that you would do better on the LSAT? Regardless of the "circumstances" didn't you think you could do better then your score? Your LSAT is graded against thousands of applicants, many of whom were far too dumb to get into any law school, and you saw 80th% Yet you think you can be among the best when graded against kids who have already proven themselves? The point is your going to disappoint yourself sometimes, you did on the LSAT, and you likely will if you think you'll be top ten percent at school. The most valid guess one could make about there rank among people they don't know is 50th%

I'm not trying to be rude, Im trying to help you realize that this isn't a cartoon, just because you want something and work at it doesn't mean it will happen. When confronted with the very opinions you sought out, you reply with invalid arguments, legally blonde quotes, and a self professed rudimentary grasp on the subtleties of the language.

Get real and open your ears, or admit that it's a dumb idea, but you just have to do it anyway, at least that I can understand and respect.

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby thelawschoolproject » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:42 pm

Yup. Still have no idea what's happening here.

IBTL.

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby PARTY » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:43 pm

thelawschoolproject wrote:IBTL.

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby splitbrain » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:46 pm

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby c3pO4 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:26 am

all in all, a pretty nice flame. well played

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby sailormoon » Fri May 04, 2012 7:29 pm

updates:

February LSAT Score was 160 (October was 156)

Since I have fee waiver, I blanketed the top schools and this is what happened:

Rejected @ Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Penn, Michigan, Duke

Waitlisted @ Virginia, Georgetown (Preferred Waitlist), Northwestern, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, USC, UCLA (Waitlisted then Interview then Admit), Fordham

Admitted @ University of Minnesota Twin Cities ($$), UC Davis, UC Hastings ($$), UC Irvine, Loyola LA, Santa Clara ($), San Diego ($$$), Chapman ($), Michigan State ($$$), Penn State ($$$), Temple ($$$), Syracuse ($$$), UCLA (waitlisted then interview then admit)

as of today, it seems like I will be attending UCLA (but still hoping for the other waitlists)

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby acrossthelake » Fri May 04, 2012 8:43 pm

I know this is old, but I need to point out this error:
sailormoon wrote: I already quoted studies showing evidence that some students, particularly racial minorities and culturally deprived, succeeded in law school even with a low LSAT score but high UGPA.


sailormoon wrote:2.) "Performance of the minority students tended to be slightly overpredicted rather than underpredicted for all three of the regression models evaluated (i.e. LSAT only, GPA only, LSAT and GPA only). The performance of White students was slightly underpredicted by the use of UGPA alone, but this difference was greatly diminished in the regression equation combining LSAT and UGPA." - Lisa Anthony Stilwell, Lynda M. Reese, Peter J. Pashley, Analysis of Differential Prediction of Law School Performance by Racial/Ethnic Subgroups, Law School Admission Council LSAT Technical Report 98-02 March 1998

-> Clearly, LSAT measures are only reliable in predicting "White" students first year academic performance


This study is actually saying that minorities tend to slightly worse than either their LSAT or GPA predicts, which means if you're heading into a law school as a minority with a lower LSAT, statistics predict that you will probably do slightly worse than the LSAT would predict. I believe research by Richard Sanders stated that at elite law schools, something like 50% of Black law students had first year-GPAS in the bottom 10% of the class, as opposed to about 5% of White students.

There's no real reason for any individual to care, since the LSAT isn't all that predictive for the individual, but just pointing out that this research to which you seemed to have clung actually says the opposite of what you wanted it to say.

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby JollyGreenGiant » Fri May 04, 2012 9:27 pm

acrossthelake wrote:I know this is old, but I need to point out this error:
sailormoon wrote: I already quoted studies showing evidence that some students, particularly racial minorities and culturally deprived, succeeded in law school even with a low LSAT score but high UGPA.


sailormoon wrote:2.) "Performance of the minority students tended to be slightly overpredicted rather than underpredicted for all three of the regression models evaluated (i.e. LSAT only, GPA only, LSAT and GPA only). The performance of White students was slightly underpredicted by the use of UGPA alone, but this difference was greatly diminished in the regression equation combining LSAT and UGPA." - Lisa Anthony Stilwell, Lynda M. Reese, Peter J. Pashley, Analysis of Differential Prediction of Law School Performance by Racial/Ethnic Subgroups, Law School Admission Council LSAT Technical Report 98-02 March 1998

-> Clearly, LSAT measures are only reliable in predicting "White" students first year academic performance


This study is actually saying that minorities tend to slightly worse than either their LSAT or GPA predicts, which means if you're heading into a law school as a minority with a lower LSAT, statistics predict that you will probably do slightly worse than the LSAT would predict. I believe research by Richard Sanders stated that at elite law schools, something like 50% of Black law students had first year-GPAS in the bottom 10% of the class, as opposed to about 5% of White students.

There's no real reason for any individual to care, since the LSAT isn't all that predictive for the individual, but just pointing out that this research to which you seemed to have clung actually says the opposite of what you wanted it to say.


:lol: :lol: This thread has been a real treat to help me procrastinate.

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Re: Need Advise ASAP please

Postby Geneva » Sat May 05, 2012 2:27 am

masochist wrote:
sailormoon wrote:Ooops, another mistake: I should have said "a person can excel" not "everyone," yey! I'm learning the nuances of the english language. I need it.

Nonetheless, the original argument does not exclude the scenario that everyone in the class did very well (effort and all, lol) and at the end of the class, everybody obtained a grade of 100%. Even with the imposition of the curve, everybody will just get an A because the curve will just be a rectangle and each percentile will correspond to the same number (=100%). Therefore, the original claim was logically sound and valid.


As I sit at the desk I have occupied for the last 8 hours trying to decipher the collection of Zen riddles my legal writing instructor laughingly refers to as formatting instructions, I am glad to hear that my classmates and I can all get a perfect score on our brief and an "A" in the course. All we have to do is write briefs that are so flawless that the professor can't find a single thing wrong with any of them despite the somewhat less-than-objective grading standards (25% content, %25 organization, %25 moon cycle, and %25 random number generator). Awesome. I should go to bed now since I no longer have to worry about the curve. Thanks sailormoon!

this was really fun to read.




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