T-14 Merit scholarships for low GPA/high LSAT splitters? Forum

ComatoseClown · Post by **ComatoseClown** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:00 pm

Are there examples of these types of splitters being awarded decent money (over 50% tuition ride) by T-14 law schools?

Or is it the case that unless you're above (or at) both the school's median LSAT and GPA, you won't be seriously considered for free money?

Master_Splinter · Post by **Master_Splinter** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:07 pm

I'm interested in this also. I will be a splitter after June.

absolutazn87 · Post by **absolutazn87** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:14 pm

I'm a 173/3.6. Above LSAT median and below GPA median for all the T14 schools.

So far I have 67.5k from Mich and 54k from Duke. So yes it's very possible!

OrdinarilySkilled · Post by **OrdinarilySkilled** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:15 pm

LSN has a good search tool that allows you to search applicants and limit results to those receiving scholarships, although you can only search one school at a time.
http://search.lawschoolnumbers.com/applications
(just put 1 to 1000000 in the scholarship boxes to get all results that have $$)

How low of a GPA are we talking here? I've looked into this because my GPA is a bit low for the T14. It seems that some schools are more generous than others, but it is definitely not impossible to get some money if you are below one median. MVD seem like the most friendly to splitters but once you get below ~3.4 you can't really expect much.
Should note that this is entirely different for URM.

Master_Splinter · Post by **Master_Splinter** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:20 pm

I'm an AA male with a 2.99 LSDAS. Retaking in June, currently with a 166 from Oct. '10. My PT range has been 172-175. Any thoughts if I land within this range in June?

dabbadon8 · Post by **dabbadon8** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:26 pm

Not 50% as in the OP but I got 54k(~40%) at umich with a 3.49/173.

Bumi · Post by **Bumi** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:28 pm

OrdinarilySkilled wrote:LSN has a good search tool that allows you to search applicants and limit results to those receiving scholarships, although you can only search one school at a time.
http://search.lawschoolnumbers.com/applications
(just put 1 to 1000000 in the scholarship boxes to get all results that have $$)

How low of a GPA are we talking here? I've looked into this because my GPA is a bit low for the T14. It seems that some schools are more generous than others, but it is definitely not impossible to get some money if you are below one median. MVD seem like the most friendly to splitters but once you get below ~3.4 you can't really expect much.
Should note that this is entirely different for URM.

You want http://www.hourumd.com/

wiseguy33 · Post by **wiseguy33** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:21 pm

3.4x, 175 here. Acceptances, but no merit aid from T14, though I have gotten offers, some fairly large, from T20 schools.

alexonfyre · Post by **alexonfyre** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:24 pm

Master_Splinter wrote:I'm an AA male with a 2.99 LSDAS. Retaking in June, currently with a 166 from Oct. '10. My PT range has been 172-175. Any thoughts if I land within this range in June?

Same as you (almost exactly, except MA), lemme know how this cycle goes for you.

ComatoseClown · Post by **ComatoseClown** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:14 am

Can anyone answer as to whether the following statement is valid:
The LSAT holds a weight so significant in the admissions process that each LSAT point increase after 170 could be said to count roughly the same as 0.1 GPA points.

Is this true?

Knock · Post by **Knock** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:15 am

ComatoseClown wrote:Can anyone answer as to whether the following statement is valid:
The LSAT holds a weight so significant in the admissions process that each LSAT point increase after 170 could be said to count roughly the same as 0.1 GPA points.

Is this true?

There are soooo many variables in this that there's no way anyone can give you a good answer.

fakemoney · Post by **fakemoney** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:06 pm

Bumi wrote:
OrdinarilySkilled wrote:LSN has a good search tool that allows you to search applicants and limit results to those receiving scholarships, although you can only search one school at a time.
http://search.lawschoolnumbers.com/applications
(just put 1 to 1000000 in the scholarship boxes to get all results that have $$)

How low of a GPA are we talking here? I've looked into this because my GPA is a bit low for the T14. It seems that some schools are more generous than others, but it is definitely not impossible to get some money if you are below one median. MVD seem like the most friendly to splitters but once you get below ~3.4 you can't really expect much.
Should note that this is entirely different for URM.
You want http://www.hourumd.com/

That used to be a great resource, but unfortunately it seems only to be updated as of 2009.

Richie Tenenbaum · Post by **Richie Tenenbaum** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:38 pm

ComatoseClown wrote:Can anyone answer as to whether the following statement is valid:
The LSAT holds a weight so significant in the admissions process that each LSAT point increase after 170 could be said to count roughly the same as 0.1 GPA points.

Is this true?

It varies a lot, but generally 1 LSAT point is going to be more helpful than .1 GPA (not just above 170). A 168/3.4 is probably going to do better at most schools than a 167/3.5. With that said, a lot depends on schools' medians and 25th and 75th percentiles. A 176/3.8 is probably going to have a better cycle than a 177/3.7. Once you're above a school's median or at/above a school's 75th percentile, it is generally a story of diminished returns for those extra points: it is generally better to have a GPA that is at/above median with an LSAT score at the 75th percentile rather than a GPA below median and an LSAT score a few points higher than the 75th percentile.

To the OP: As stated earlier, Hourumd.com is generally the best site to look up scholarship info for score ranges. The downside is the "new" data is a little old, and you need to really ignore the really old data that is pulled up. Thus, do searches through LSN for newer cycles, even though the search function is a headache for stuff like this.

edit:
Also- Both Michigan and UVA seem to have thrown money at splitters in the past, as long as the GPA isn't too bad and the LSAT is ~172+. You won't get a full scholarship anywhere in the T14 with splitter stats, but a few schools like to give up to 1/2 scholarships to splitters with high LSAT scores. If you want to have a full scholarship as a splitter, either WUSTL or UIUC is your place.

lawschoolbound11 · Post by **lawschoolbound11** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:13 pm

just put 1 to 1000000 in the scholarship boxes to get all results that have $$

This is obviously flawed/likely a flame, as it excludes anyone who got more than a million dollars in scholarships.
/thread

Post by **Tangerine Gleam** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:49 pm

Being way below a school's GPA median definitely does not preclude significant scholarship opportunities. Obviously it differs from school to school, but many T14's would still consider you for their biggest scholarships...depending on the exact numbers
of course (not to mention soft factors, which can play a big role for some scholarships.)

rli66 · Post by **rli66** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:00 pm

I'm a 170/3.6 and got 75k (over half) at UVA.

Kabuo · Post by **Kabuo** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:14 pm

3.2/176 here and debating trying to establish VA residency for next year. I figured if I were in state at UVA, they might throw me money, but based on my cycle this year, I'm not even into a T14 yet, and I'm definitely not expecting any $$ from Cornell or lolColumbia if I do squeeze in. All the people I know below a 3.3 are in a similar boat re scholarships, if not also acceptances. Anecdotal evidence for your enjoyment.

Kohinoor · Post by **Kohinoor** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:15 pm

Master_Splinter wrote:I'm an AA male with a 2.99 LSDAS. Retaking in June, currently with a 166 from Oct. '10. My PT range has been 172-175. Any thoughts if I land within this range in June?

Full ride T10

Rory1987 · Post by **Rory1987** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:18 am

rli66 wrote:I'm a 170/3.6 and got 75k (over half) at UVA.

Damn. URM or in-state?

rli66 · Post by **rli66** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:17 pm

Rory1987 wrote:
rli66 wrote:I'm a 170/3.6 and got 75k (over half) at UVA.
Damn. URM or in-state?

Neither. I am pretty badass though. I figure that is what got it for me.

Also, to be even more of an asshole, I asked for more money.

09042014 · Post by **09042014** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:26 pm

ComatoseClown wrote:Can anyone answer as to whether the following statement is valid:
The LSAT holds a weight so significant in the admissions process that each LSAT point increase after 170 could be said to count roughly the same as 0.1 GPA points.

Is this true?

It's not really a linear equation. For example, I had 2.8/176. I wouldn't get into some schools a 3.4/170 would. But I got into a school a 3.5/169 couldn't.

And for scholarships that holds up even less.

09042014 · Post by **09042014** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:29 pm

3.4 and below you are paying sticker most likely.

3.0 and below and nobody is giving you a full ride in the T1.

Cade McNown · Post by **Cade McNown** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:34 pm

Moderate Splitter with a full ride in T14.
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CXOrmachea

fatduck · Post by **fatduck** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:34 pm

Cade McNown wrote:Moderate Splitter with a full ride in T14.
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CXOrmachea

lol UT

Cade McNown · Post by **Cade McNown** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:37 pm

fatduck wrote:
Cade McNown wrote:Moderate Splitter with a full ride in T14.
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CXOrmachea
lol UT

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