List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

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List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby im_blue » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:22 pm

Class of 2013 GPA/LSAT Medians

Yale 3.91 / 173.......................(+.01, 0)
Harvard ~3.89 / 173
Columbia 3.72 / 172................(0, 0)
NYU 3.71 / 172......................(-.01, +1)
Chicago 3.78 / 171.................(+.02, 0)
Stanford 3.88 / 170................(0, 0)
Penn 3.85 / 170.....................(+.03, 0)
UVA 3.85 / 170......................(0, 0)
Duke 3.80 / 170.....................(+.04, +1)
Northwestern 3.80 / 170..........(+.08, 0)
Georgetown 3.67 / 170............(-.01, 0)
Michigan 3.73 / 169................(+.03, 0)
Vandy 3.72 / 169...................(+.01, +1)
Toronto: 3.85 / 168................(0, +1)
UCLA 3.77 / 168.....................(+.02, 0)
Cornell 3.70 / 168...................(+.07, +1)
Berkeley 3.80 / 167.................(-.03, -1)
Illinois 3.80 / 167....................(0, +1)
GW 3.79 / 167.......................(+.02, 0)
UT 3.71 / 167........................(0, 0)
Minnesota 3.71 / 167..............(+.07, 0)
WUSTL 3.70 / 167..................(0, 0)
USC 3.64 / 167......................(+.04, 0)
Notre Dame 3.57 / 167...........(-.03, +1)
BU 3.72 / 166.......................(+.02, 0)
Fordham 3.62 / 166...............(-.02, 0)
BC 3.61 / 166.......................(+.08, 0)
W&L 3.43 / 166.....................(-.10, 0)
Alabama 3.78 / 165................(+.01, +1)
W&M 3.70 / 165.....................(+.04, 0)
Indiana 3.78 / 164..................(+.08, 0)
BYU 3.75 / 164.......................(+.01, +1)
SMU 3.75 / 164......................(-.01, 0)
George Mason 3.72 / 164.........(0, +1)
Georgia 3.70 / 164..................(0, 0)
Cardozo: 3.62 / 164................(+.02, 0)
Colorado 3.61 / 164................(-.07, +1)
UC Hastings 3.60 / 164............(+.02, 0)
Ohio State 3.66 / 163..............(+.02, +1)
Washington 3.65 / 163............(-.01, 0)
Wisconsin 3.63 / 163...............(+.03, +1)
UC Davis 3.63 / 163.................(+.12, 0)
Pepperdine 3.62 / 163.............(+.01, +1)
North Carolina 3.50 / 163.........(-.08, +1)
Brooklyn 3.47 / 163.................(0, 0)
American 3.40 / 163...............(+.04, +1)
York (Osgoode) 3.67 / 162
Florida 3.67 / 162...................(-.02, +1)
Florida State 3.52 / 162..........(-.01, +2)
Arizona 3.50 / 162..................(-.01, +1)
Lewis & Clark 3.48 / 162..........(-.04, +1)
Richmond 3.47 / 162...............(-.01, +1)
Houston 3.41 / 162................(+.04, 0)
Utah 3.63 / 161.....................(+.03, +1)
Arizona State 3.60 / 161.........(0, 0)
Iowa 3.59 / 161.....................(-.02, 0)
Chicago Kent 3.57 / 161..........(+.04, 0)
Loyola LA 3.56 / 161...............(+.02, +1)
Northeastern 3.53 / 161..........(+.13, 0)
St. John's 3.50 / 161..............(+.02, 0)
Temple 3.44 / 161..................(+.03, 0)
UConn 3.43 / 161...................(0, -1)
Loyola Chicago 3.41 / 161........(-.09, +1)
Tennessee 3.60 / 160.............(+.05, 0)
Kentucky 3.55 / 160...............(-.05, +1)
Seton Hall 3.51 / 160..............(+.03, 0)
Pitt 3.37 / 160.......................(-.05, +1)
Villanova 3.33 / 160................(-.11, -2)
Penn State: 3.6 / 159.............(+.12, +1)

Post numbers here with your source (link, word of mouth, etc) and I'll update the list.
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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby St.Remy » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:51 pm

It might be helpful to list what last year's statistics were for each school, and to calculate the difference. With any luck this will give a better idea how the field has changed for those of us applying this year.

Class of 2013 GPA/LSAT Medians__________Class of 2012 GPA/LSAT Medians_______Difference

UVA 3.85 / 170________________________UVA 3.85 / 170_____________________ 0 / 0
Vandy 3.72 / 169_______________________Vandy 3.71 / 168___________________+.01 / +1 (nice)
UCLA 3.77 / 168_______________________UCLA 3.75 / 168____________________+.02 / 0
Berkeley 3.80 / 167_____________________Berkeley 3.83 / 168_________________-.03 / -1 (ouch)
Illinois 3.80 / 167_______________________Illinois 3.80 / 166___________________0 / +1
GW 3.79 / 167_________________________GW 3.77 / 167_____________________+.02 / 0
USC 3.64 / 167________________________USC 3.60 / 167_____________________ +.04 / 0
W&M 3.70 / 165________________________W&M 3.66 / 165____________________+.04 / 0
Indiana 3.78 / 164______________________Indiana 3.70 / 164___________________+.08 / 0
George Mason 3.72 / 164________________George Mason 3.72 / 163______________0 / +1
Colorado 3.61 / 164_____________________Colorado 3.68 / 163__________________-.07 / +1
Pepperdine 3.62 / 163___________________Pepperdine 3.61 / 162_________________+.01 / +1
American 3.40 / 163_____________________American 3.36 / 162__________________+.04 / +1

Edit: I see that you had the same idea. I look forward to seeing this thread evolve, and to see how the t14 landscape has shifted in the last year.
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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby facetious » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:55 pm

at nyu, were told at orientation that our new medians are 3.71/172 (if i remember correctly)

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby Hannibal » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:58 pm

What were NYU's medians before?

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby 2ofspades » Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:01 pm

3.72 / 171

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby GettingReady2010 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:18 am

This is crazy how school's median LSAT score have gone up a point. Give it a few years and the median LSAT at HYS will be 180.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby ajmanyjah » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:54 am

GettingReady2010 wrote:This is crazy how school's median LSAT score have gone up a point. Give it a few years and the median LSAT at HYS will be 180.



Or maybe last year is was 171.4998565 and this year it is 171.500001232

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby IAFG » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:55 am

at orientation they claimed 3.8/170 for NU

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby kazu » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:58 am

ajmanyjah wrote:
GettingReady2010 wrote:This is crazy how school's median LSAT score have gone up a point. Give it a few years and the median LSAT at HYS will be 180.



Or maybe last year is was 171.4998565 and this year it is 171.500001232


This isn't how it works... it's the median, not the average. Median = score of the person at the 50th percentile (therefore it can't not be a whole number since LSATs aren't scored like that).

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Postby Deuce » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:59 am

I like seeing this upward swing of GPAs... mine's ~3.9, and it'd be nice if schools are looking to bump GPA in the immediate future here's to wishful thinking

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby trudat15 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:01 am

ajmanyjah wrote:
GettingReady2010 wrote:This is crazy how school's median LSAT score have gone up a point. Give it a few years and the median LSAT at HYS will be 180.



Or maybe last year is was 171.4998565 and this year it is 171.500001232


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the median represented the middle figure of all the people in the incoming class. The 50th percentile, so you couldnt have any decimals (unless the middle person was two people, in which case you could have a 171.5 if they were 171 and 172).

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby GettingReady2010 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:03 am

trudat15 wrote:
ajmanyjah wrote:
GettingReady2010 wrote:This is crazy how school's median LSAT score have gone up a point. Give it a few years and the median LSAT at HYS will be 180.



Or maybe last year is was 171.4998565 and this year it is 171.500001232


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the median represented the middle figure of all the people in the incoming class. The 50th percentile, so you couldnt have any decimals (unless the middle person was two people, in which case you could have a 171.5 if they were 171 and 172).


No, that's right.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby ajmanyjah » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:14 am

GettingReady2010 wrote:
trudat15 wrote:
ajmanyjah wrote:
GettingReady2010 wrote:This is crazy how school's median LSAT score have gone up a point. Give it a few years and the median LSAT at HYS will be 180.



Or maybe last year is was 171.4998565 and this year it is 171.500001232


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the median represented the middle figure of all the people in the incoming class. The 50th percentile, so you couldnt have any decimals (unless the middle person was two people, in which case you could have a 171.5 if they were 171 and 172).


No, that's right.


Bah I knew that, but my general point still stands. This could the the acceptance of literally ONE 2.5/172 war hero that wasn't in the mix pushing it up (of course it probably ISN'T because of the size of incoming classes) but are people seriously reading into 1 point median changes?

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby sophia.olive » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:23 am

ewr

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Postby bk1 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:29 am

ajmanyjah wrote:Bah I knew that, but my general point still stands. This could the the acceptance of literally ONE 2.5/172 war hero that wasn't in the mix pushing it up (of course it probably ISN'T because of the size of incoming classes) but are people seriously reading into 1 point median changes?


Nobody who hires cares, but people place undue weight on the actual USNWR rankings. For reference, in many years, the rankings of schools by median LSAT corresponds perfectly with their ranking as a whole even though LSAT is not even 1/4 of their score.

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Postby im_blue » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:24 am

ajmanyjah wrote:Bah I knew that, but my general point still stands. This could the the acceptance of literally ONE 2.5/172 war hero that wasn't in the mix pushing it up (of course it probably ISN'T because of the size of incoming classes) but are people seriously reading into 1 point median changes?

Mathematically yes, but practically no. Assuming a law school is maximizing its medians effectively every year, it would need to increase the LSAT of a significant portion of the middle of the class to raise its LSAT median.

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Postby St.Remy » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:07 am

IAFG wrote:at orientation they claimed 3.8/170 for NU



That GPA increase seems huge, especially for a school that is thought to be a haven for splitters with WE. Not saying I don't believe you, I'm just surprised. Does anyone know when the ABA usually releases their updated school data?

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Postby im_blue » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:31 am

St.Remy wrote:
IAFG wrote:at orientation they claimed 3.8/170 for NU



That GPA increase seems huge, especially for a school that is thought to be a haven for splitters with WE. Not saying I don't believe you, I'm just surprised. Does anyone know when the ABA usually releases their updated school data?

ABA data is released toward the end of the cycle, after every law school has already posted them online.

LSN shows that 3.75 is about the cutoff for sub-170 LSAT scores, so I strongly suspect that Northwestern's median is actually 3.75 and that they're quoting it as a 3.8.

Based on LSN, I predict that Chicago and Duke also bumped up their LSAT medians to 172 and 170, respectively. That would give a 2-point gap between the T6 and most of the T14, and another 2-point gap between Berkeley/Cornell and the rest of the T14.
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Postby solotee » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:49 am

UNC

c/o 2013: 3.5, 163

c/o 2012: 3.6, 162

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Postby Nulli Secundus » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:31 am

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby beachbum » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:02 am

Yikes, hopefully this cycle isn't as cutthroat as the last

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Postby St.Remy » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:16 am

beachbum wrote:Yikes, hopefully this cycle isn't as cutthroat as the last


I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be. Has there been a cycle in recent memory that was less harsh across the board than the cycle that preceded it? So far it looks like the Berkeley cycle might be a bit less cutthroat compared to last year, but otherwise I'd expect the trail to just get rougher. So far it looks like schools are either bumping up the median GPA slightly and keeping the LSAT the same or else sacrificing a bit of the median GPA to garner another point on the median LSAT (but this is just me guessing at a pattern based on few samples).

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby kazu » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:22 am

Hmm has anyone noticed that, if you click on "LSAC Resources Data" below Current Data and Statistics on the (newly upgraded) lsac.org site, the # of applicants was at its height during 2002~2005, and about 10,000 more per year than the last application cycle (about 100,000 ABA applicants in fall 2005 as opposed to 86,600 last year)? Was there a significant median bump then as well? Also, why were there more applicants then but more admitted applicants/matriculants last year?

Or maybe I'm just reading the data wrong. I am on my second glass of hard liquor after being screwed over by lsac, again.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby St.Remy » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:43 am

kazu wrote:Hmm has anyone noticed that, if you click on "LSAC Resources Data" below Current Data and Statistics on the (newly upgraded) lsac.org site, the # of applicants was at its height during 2002~2005, and about 10,000 more per year than the last application cycle (about 100,000 ABA applicants in fall 2005 as opposed to 86,600 last year)? Was there a significant median bump then as well? Also, why were there more applicants then but more admitted applicants/matriculants last year?

Or maybe I'm just reading the data wrong. I am on my second glass of hard liquor after being screwed over by lsac, again.


Yeah one of the population spikes reached law school age a few years back. I wasn't paying attention to law schools back then so I don't know how medians were effected, but I would wager that the greater number of admitted applicants is due to more law schools being open and many law schools expanding in size. Sorry to hear that you got screwed.

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Re: List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians

Postby bk1 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:54 pm

St.Remy wrote:
beachbum wrote:Yikes, hopefully this cycle isn't as cutthroat as the last


I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be. Has there been a cycle in recent memory that was less harsh across the board than the cycle that preceded it? So far it looks like the Berkeley cycle might be a bit less cutthroat compared to last year, but otherwise I'd expect the trail to just get rougher. So far it looks like schools are either bumping up the median GPA slightly and keeping the LSAT the same or else sacrificing a bit of the median GPA to garner another point on the median LSAT (but this is just me guessing at a pattern based on few samples).


IIRC, the number of AA's who took the LSAT in 2009 was lower than 2008. To me this would mean 09-10's AA cycle was less competitive than 08-09's.




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