Lying on a Personal Statement

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Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby osgiliath » Thu May 05, 2011 12:57 am

just testing the waters ;)
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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby ptblazer » Thu May 05, 2011 1:09 am

osgiliath wrote:What is to stop someone from lying on a personal statement about a life-changing event? Many of these happen within one's personal life, outside of any regulated organizations and without paper trails.

I have a 2.8 undergrad gpa and a 175 LSAT. Would you suggest making something up?


Ah...your looking for someone to suggest that you lie on your application?

To answer your first question. Integrity.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Thu May 05, 2011 1:13 am

Sigh. Oh boy.

Also, great way to start your endeavor into the law profession, by lying. I'll admit, it's bullshit to think of law as this noble, ethical, moral-upholding profession. But c'mon.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby chup » Thu May 05, 2011 1:28 am

Image

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby Flips88 » Thu May 05, 2011 1:30 am

Enjoy WUSTL

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby fanmingrui » Thu May 05, 2011 1:37 am

chup wrote:Image


+1

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby glewz » Thu May 05, 2011 1:41 am

If serious OP, you are ridiculous

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby 2011Law » Thu May 05, 2011 1:45 am

I didn't really lie about anything on my personal statement, but I did stretch the truth further than most people would be comfortable with. If hell existed, I doubt I'd go there for this.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby yngblkgifted » Thu May 05, 2011 1:46 am

2011Law wrote:I didn't really lie about anything on my personal statement, but I did stretch the truth further than most people would be comfortable with. If hell existed, I doubt I'd go there for this.

Pics or didn't happen.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby glewz » Thu May 05, 2011 1:50 am

2011Law wrote:I did stretch the truth further than most people would be comfortable with. If hell existed, I doubt I'd go there for this.

That is probably in the wrong if you are able to make that kind of comment..

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby beachbum » Thu May 05, 2011 1:54 am

Flips88 wrote:Enjoy WUSTL


Because of his stats or because WUSTL is full of dirty liars?

Edit: But seriously, I've known people who've stretched the truth, and people who've outright lied on grad school essays and personal statements. Their fibs have thus far gone undetected. Of course, if you get caught, you can kiss your ass (and your professional career) goodbye. And all for an essay that doesn't really matter much to begin with. So if that's a (huge) risk you're willing to take and an (un)ethical decision you can live with, then go for it.
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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby shoeshine » Thu May 05, 2011 2:02 am

Don't lie. That shit will come back to haunt you.

You can embelish or maybe add a dramatic flair to your P.S. but don't change the facts.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby flcath » Thu May 05, 2011 2:14 am

Go for it; just make sure the story is unfalsifiable by the bar.

The law school won't investigate: you could get away with not disclosing C&F issues, lying about major scholarships and awards (probably anything short of the Rhodes), etc., and the law school won't find out.

But the first thing that every state bar does when you apply for admission is compare your LS application (at the school to which you ended up going) to your bar application, so you'll have to lie to them, too. If you otherwise have a clean record (with regard to C&F), then they probably will not probe deeply into your background except to call your (pre-LS) references, and sometimes 1-2 additional references given by those references (so that they talk to people other than those that you supplied).

Even if you do get randomly selected for further investigation, you might pick something (like depression or that you were close friends with some random person who died your freshman year) that they can't disprove. But it's really ballsy. Ask yourself how much the lower T14 is likely to care about your sob story anyway; the really good ones do come with documentation.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby glewz » Thu May 05, 2011 2:26 am

Pressed "profile," and half hoped that you attended WUSTL. (for effect)

Thank goodness you won't be clerking high level.

Edit: my bad flcath - I realize in hindsight how latter statement can be interpreted as elitist - I don't actually know what school you attend, and I certainly don't mean it in such a way.
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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby flcath » Thu May 05, 2011 2:36 am

glewz wrote:
flcath wrote:Go for it; just make sure the story is unfalsifiable by the bar.

Pressed "profile," and half hoped that you attended WUSTL. (for effect)

Thank goodness you don't have a shot at high level clerking.

Lol.

Look kid, I personally didn't lie on my application, and even had to disclose shit that I really would rather not, but ethics are personal, and an anonymous forum is unlikely to dissuade someone from making a decision on moral grounds.

I think if you read my post--which is both honest and 100% accurate, and more believable since it doesn't morally condemn the OP--it does more to deter the OP than other reply ITT. The OP should weigh the practical gains (which I've tried to show him are not that great, given the risks) against the moral implications, and hopefully decide not to lie on his PS.

I'll add one more practical benefit to telling the truth, which was implicit in my last post but possibly missed: you will sleep sounder over the next 3 years not having to worry about being uncovered and humiliated.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby 09042014 » Thu May 05, 2011 2:38 am

Nah brah. But I definitely recommend lying on your diversity statement.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby glewz » Thu May 05, 2011 2:51 am

flcath wrote:
glewz wrote:
flcath wrote:Go for it; just make sure the story is unfalsifiable by the bar.

Pressed "profile," and half hoped that you attended WUSTL. (for effect)

Thank goodness you don't have a shot at high level clerking.

Lol.

Look kid, I personally didn't lie on my application, and even had to disclose shit that I really would rather not, but ethics are personal, and an anonymous forum is unlikely to dissuade someone from making a decision on moral grounds.

I think if you read my post--which is both honest and 100% accurate, and more believable since it doesn't morally condemn the OP--it does more to deter the OP than other reply ITT. The OP should weigh the practical gains (which I've tried to show him are not that great, given the risks) against the moral implications, and hopefully decide not to lie on his PS.

I'll add one more practical benefit to telling the truth, which was implicit in my last post but possibly missed: you will sleep sounder over the next 3 years not having to worry about being uncovered and humiliated.


Your first sentence was "Go for it; just make sure the story is unfalsifiable by the bar," and that is not the right message to impart.

Yes, your qualifying statements do gesture in the right direction, but it would have been much more scrupulous to directly advise OP against said actions while still falling short of moral condemnation.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby 071816 » Thu May 05, 2011 2:52 am

osgiliath wrote:What is to stop someone from lying on a personal statement about a life-changing event? Many of these happen within one's personal life, outside of any regulated organizations and without paper trails.

I have a 2.8 undergrad gpa and a 175 LSAT. Would you suggest making something up?


Ethics, integrity, dignity, self respect, just to name a few.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby blueprint87 » Thu May 05, 2011 2:55 am

chimp wrote:
osgiliath wrote:What is to stop someone from lying on a personal statement about a life-changing event? Many of these happen within one's personal life, outside of any regulated organizations and without paper trails.

I have a 2.8 undergrad gpa and a 175 LSAT. Would you suggest making something up?


Ethics, integrity, dignity, self respect, just to name a few.



+1,000,000 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just don't do it.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby flcath » Thu May 05, 2011 3:08 am

Dear OP:

r = Risk of getting caught by the bar (low but non-trivial, I promise you)
p = penalty if you are caught (this will be brutal... it may be worse than if you'd never gotten into LS)
b = benefit gained in the LS apps due to your lie (this will be low; LS is a numbers game)

r*p > b


Moral issues, if you have them (and I encourage you to, as you will live a happier life even while others surpass your worldly success) only push the equation further in favor of the left side.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby DeeCee » Thu May 05, 2011 3:17 am

What the fuck is this? This is ridiculous.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby glewz » Thu May 05, 2011 3:29 am

flcath wrote:Dear OP:

r = Risk of getting caught by the bar (low but non-trivial, I promise you)
p = penalty if you are caught (this will be brutal... it may be worse than if you'd never gotten into LS)
b = benefit gained in the LS apps due to your lie (this will be low; LS is a numbers game)

r*p > b


Moral issues, if you have them (and I encourage you to, as you will live a happier life even while others surpass your worldly success) only push the equation further in favor of the left side.


+1,read my first response's edit btw - my bad for subconsciously being a major dbag

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby flcath » Thu May 05, 2011 3:37 am

DeeCee wrote:What the fuck is this? This is ridiculous.

Lots of people consider doing this, or have considered lying on an application at some point in their life. My LS apps didn't tempt me in this way (I knew I'd get in somewhere), but I've been desperate for a job before and thought about it.

It's the type of question that deserves to be seriously addressed here, b/c people are ashamed to ask about it outside of an anonymous environment.

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Re: Lying on a Personal Statement

Postby jeremysen » Thu May 05, 2011 3:42 am

flcath wrote:
DeeCee wrote:What the fuck is this? This is ridiculous.

Lots of people consider doing this, or have considered lying on an application at some point in their life. My LS apps didn't tempt me in this way (I knew I'd get in somewhere), but I've been desperate for a job before and thought about it.

It's the type of question that deserves to be seriously addressed here, b/c people are ashamed to ask about it outside of an anonymous environment.


Sure, people ponder the question.

The credited collective response: GTFO




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