LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

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bruin2018
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LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby bruin2018 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:10 pm

Does anybody have any advice or thoughts about what is appropriate to wear to OCI as a gender-nonconforming law student?

I know it's a conservative profession, but so many of the firms tout their diversity efforts, even with "LGBT" people. Does that just mean cis-presenting gays/lesbians? What can trans law students wear to interviews?

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby soj » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:06 pm

bruin2018 wrote:Does anybody have any advice or thoughts about what is appropriate to wear to OCI as a gender-nonconforming law student?

I know it's a conservative profession, but so many of the firms tout their diversity efforts, even with "LGBT" people. Does that just mean cis-presenting gays/lesbians? What can trans law students wear to interviews?

Trans and other queer students should try to present as cis or pass at interviews. Unfortunate but that's my impression.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby Lincoln » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:25 pm

Anecdote: I work at a very conservative firm with a business formal dress code. One of the associates on my team is a woman who wears tailored men's-style suits and collared shirts. She self-identifies as a cis-gendered woman who dates women, but she definitely dresses in a way that does not conform to the norms for her gender. And although I'm sure some of the older partners think it's weird, no one really cares because she's good at her job.

Although I'm sure one or two places will look unfavorably on a trans person, I think it's important to be honest about who you are when you present yourself in an interview, and there are definitely ways to look professional while not conforming to gender norms.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby DCfilterDC » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:28 pm

I imagine you'd be fine in a suit either way.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby AOT » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:55 pm

1L so don't really know what I'm talking about: but I think you're probably better off wearing something you feel like yourself in, than coming across awkward and uncomfortable.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby HonestAdvice » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:56 pm

You should just conform to one gender or the other, and wear conservative clothes for the gender. If you meet with a conservative partner they're going to hold it against you. It might be unintentional, but they will. They might not cross you off because of it, but if they are thinking about it and not thinking about your conversation you are dead in the water. Everything you do will either benefits you or hurts you - nature of the beast. When you work there you really just need a few people to like you, but in this process you need a large group to uniformly agree on you.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby Redfactor » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:03 pm

No advice, but I am cheering you on any way you proceed!

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby blerggggg » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:13 pm

I'm a 0L but I'm confused on why some people are telling you to conform to one gender just so you can get a job. If it were me, I would rather dress that way I identify (within all boundaries of professionalism of course). if a bigoted hiring partner crosses me off because of it, well then I guess I'm happy knowing I won't be working with someone who has problems with the way I identify? Idk.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby Traynor Brah » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:18 pm

You want your personality and story to stand out in a positive way, but that's about all you want to stand out.

Feeling comfortable and confident in your attire should be the priority, but, for the purposes of OCI, it is probably wise to also err on the side of understated and conservative.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby Pomeranian » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:51 pm

Dress the way you want! Why would you want to work at a place that did not accept you/discriminated against trans people?

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby soj » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:32 pm

You should dress comfortably while staying within the bounds of conservative professional dress (which includes classic unisex looks but aren't going to include everyone), but if those are mutually exclusive for you, you unfortunately still should stay within those boundaries while attempting to be comfortable. I don't mean to minimize the significance of clothing in a gender nonconforming person's dignity and self-expression, but this is a 20-minute job interview during which your interviewer will be judging your appearance. For better or worse, the interviewer won't ask you about your appearance, which will make it hard for you to discuss or explain it at all. You'll have more leeway to dress comfortably once you get the job and have a chance to prove yourself based on merit, but the interview is partly based on superficial factors.

I don't disagree that this is unfair, but you'll have to decide for yourself how to balance your tolerance for this injustice against maximizing your chance at getting a job. While plenty of interviewers won't hold it against you at all for not passing (whether because you can't or because you don't want to), plenty others will, and not just old crotchety conservative partners.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby eagle2a » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:17 pm

just wear normal fucking clothes

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby gamerish » Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:50 pm

One of my friends at my firm is a cis-gendered lesbian and wears men's business attire to work. At least here, nobody cares.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby landshoes » Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:39 pm

eagle2a wrote:just wear normal fucking clothes


no need to be an asshole about it.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby Loney M. Setnick » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:22 pm

blerggggg wrote:I'm a 0L but I'm confused on why some people are telling you to conform to one gender just so you can get a job. If it were me, I would rather dress that way I identify (within all boundaries of professionalism of course). if a bigoted hiring partner crosses me off because of it, well then I guess I'm happy knowing I won't be working with someone who has problems with the way I identify? Idk.


I'm assuming the reason why some people told OP to conform to a gender was because they probably think that getting a job is more important than being yourself and possibly being unemployed.

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Re: LGBT/Gender-nonconforming OCI Attire??

Postby Desert Fox » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:35 pm

Pick whatever one you look better as. All business attire is conformist. Otherwise I'd wear a stained Cubs shirt and powder blue shorts all week to work.

If I interview you and you are wearing anything but a suit I'm assuming you are just a weird jackass. I certainly wouldn't think you were gender non conforming. I'm not even sure what that looks like really even though my friend is one.




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