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Native American admission
I can barely find anything on Native Americans and where NAs have been admitted. I'm taking the LSAT in December and expecting around a 16x, hoping for a 16x. GPA 3.x from a top public university. Good softs. I'm involved in my tribe and have a tribal ID number I can provide, as well as experience within the tribe etc.
I'm applying all over the place, but do want to give some T-14s a shot. If anyone has any insight on my chances with T-14 schools or just information on NA admission in general, I'd really appreciate it. Or any NAs applying this cycle and have heard back from law schools.
I'm applying all over the place, but do want to give some T-14s a shot. If anyone has any insight on my chances with T-14 schools or just information on NA admission in general, I'd really appreciate it. Or any NAs applying this cycle and have heard back from law schools.
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Re: Native American admission
I'm no expert, but from everything I've read NAs get the biggest boost, provided of course that they are registered with their tribe, and incorporate their ancestry in their personal or diversity statement. I'd say you have a pretty good shot at some T14s.
I'm also an NA, but I'm anticipating my score is a little too low for comfort.
I'm also an NA, but I'm anticipating my score is a little too low for comfort.
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Re: Native American admission
This is a prevalent TLS misconception. The NA boost is not the largest, but it can help with scholarship $$$. Also, only like 3-4 T-14s seem to provide a boost to NA applicants.PubliusJ wrote:I'm no expert, but from everything I've read NAs get the biggest boost, provided of course that they are registered with their tribe, and incorporate their ancestry in their personal or diversity statement. I'd say you have a pretty good shot at some T14s.
I'm also an NA, but I'm anticipating my score is a little too low for comfort.
OP, shoot for a 167 for T-14. Even a 166 could be too low.
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Re: Native American admission
I identify as Native/White, but I don't have a card or a terribly strong cultural connection (immediate family moved away from the rest of the family). If you count people like me who identify as >1 race, roughly 2% of the population is Native. In Yale's class, then, they need <4 Natives to get to the national average. From what I've seen, schools tend to treat from-rural-rez-speaks-Native-language like they treat decorated combat veterans. Cool to get when possible, but not necessary in the same way that schools can't have a class with 5% black students. A school can always fill a class with tangential native connections in a way they can't for black/Hispanic/etc.
In my experience, schools eyeball classes and start to massage admissions more aggressively if the class is getting lopsided.
In my experience, schools eyeball classes and start to massage admissions more aggressively if the class is getting lopsided.
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Re: Native American admission
Are you drunk? How does this help/answer OP's question?andythefir wrote:I identify as Native/White, but I don't have a card or a terribly strong cultural connection (immediate family moved away from the rest of the family). If you count people like me who identify as >1 race, roughly 2% of the population is Native. In Yale's class, then, they need <4 Natives to get to the national average. From what I've seen, schools tend to treat from-rural-rez-speaks-Native-language like they treat decorated combat veterans. Cool to get when possible, but not necessary in the same way that schools can't have a class with 5% black students. A school can always fill a class with tangential native connections in a way they can't for black/Hispanic/etc.
In my experience, schools eyeball classes and start to massage admissions more aggressively if the class is getting lopsided.
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Re: Native American admission
It's a comment on how schools treat NAs in admissions. That's one of the things the OP asked for.
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Re: Native American admission
It's folly to say that anyone is "out at X school, in at Y school" even with numbers in hand. When (1) there is no LSAT yet, (2) the applicant is Native, and (3) admissions is changing all the time, there's no way to be sure of anything. If you're Native or have a very high LSAT or GPA, you may just fill a role some school desperately needs. If they've got plenty of what you've got to offer, you may strike out. Native applicants should apply everywhere. The ceiling is very high, and the floor is very low.Trippel wrote:Are you drunk? How does this help/answer OP's question?andythefir wrote:I identify as Native/White, but I don't have a card or a terribly strong cultural connection (immediate family moved away from the rest of the family). If you count people like me who identify as >1 race, roughly 2% of the population is Native. In Yale's class, then, they need <4 Natives to get to the national average. From what I've seen, schools tend to treat from-rural-rez-speaks-Native-language like they treat decorated combat veterans. Cool to get when possible, but not necessary in the same way that schools can't have a class with 5% black students. A school can always fill a class with tangential native connections in a way they can't for black/Hispanic/etc.
In my experience, schools eyeball classes and start to massage admissions more aggressively if the class is getting lopsided.
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Re: Native American admission
Trippel wrote:This is a prevalent TLS misconception. The NA boost is not the largest, but it can help with scholarship $$$. Also, only like 3-4 T-14s seem to provide a boost to NA applicants.PubliusJ wrote:I'm no expert, but from everything I've read NAs get the biggest boost, provided of course that they are registered with their tribe, and incorporate their ancestry in their personal or diversity statement. I'd say you have a pretty good shot at some T14s.
I'm also an NA, but I'm anticipating my score is a little too low for comfort.
OP, shoot for a 167 for T-14. Even a 166 could be too low.
Do you have a source?
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Re: Native American admission
What is your source that the NA URM boost is the largest?
Everything I've read is that black is the largest...
Everything I've read is that black is the largest...
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Re: Native American admission
Sources: My own cycle and other Native students I know who are at/gone through the T-14. Also look at law school numbers for Native applicants for the last 5 years and peruse TLS threads about Native applicants.Troianii wrote:Trippel wrote:This is a prevalent TLS misconception. The NA boost is not the largest, but it can help with scholarship $$$. Also, only like 3-4 T-14s seem to provide a boost to NA applicants.PubliusJ wrote:I'm no expert, but from everything I've read NAs get the biggest boost, provided of course that they are registered with their tribe, and incorporate their ancestry in their personal or diversity statement. I'd say you have a pretty good shot at some T14s.
I'm also an NA, but I'm anticipating my score is a little too low for comfort.
OP, shoot for a 167 for T-14. Even a 166 could be too low.
Do you have a source?
You will generally find that Native applicants with sub-166 lsat scores and mediocre GPA's do not land T-14.
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Re: Native American admission
Bumping this just to add my n=1 in support of the advice given here. As others in this thread pointed out, it seems there's some notion that NA applicants receive perhaps the biggest admissions boost. That is just plain false. And if you look at the representation of minority groups in law, it's AAs who are not proportionally represented in law - more so than any other group - compared to the percentage of the population that they represent. They wholly justifiably receive the largest admissions boost.Trippel wrote:Sources: My own cycle and other Native students I know who are at/gone through the T-14. Also look at law school numbers for Native applicants for the last 5 years and peruse TLS threads about Native applicants.Troianii wrote:Trippel wrote:This is a prevalent TLS misconception. The NA boost is not the largest, but it can help with scholarship $$$. Also, only like 3-4 T-14s seem to provide a boost to NA applicants.PubliusJ wrote:I'm no expert, but from everything I've read NAs get the biggest boost, provided of course that they are registered with their tribe, and incorporate their ancestry in their personal or diversity statement. I'd say you have a pretty good shot at some T14s.
I'm also an NA, but I'm anticipating my score is a little too low for comfort.
OP, shoot for a 167 for T-14. Even a 166 could be too low.
Do you have a source?
You will generally find that Native applicants with sub-166 lsat scores and mediocre GPA's do not land T-14.
If you're an NA applicant and wanting T14-20, you should still be trying to achieve an LSAT that puts you at some of those medians. 167+ is the minimum you should want, on average. 170+ is always ideal, though. Of course, if your GPA is on the higher side you might get away with something in the 160-165 range. But if you're going to be below both medians at all of the T20, then you won't do so well, as the above poster pointed out.