Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby willamette » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:18 pm

About the books,
it is probably a good idea to wait until you know who your prof is. Professors use different books and you might end up with a discounted book you cannot use. Also, be careful about editions - they are different enough that you will not always be able to answer in class (some case differences etc). This probably would not affect your final, but it is inconvenient to spend a portion of each class discussing stuff you were not able to read.

That said - you could probably send a few emails to student services and find out a lot about the books that you would need. Here is what I would do if I really wanted to know:
1) email student services to find out who the professors are that will teach the first year courses
2) email the professors and ask if they have chosen a book or if they are using their own materials
a) for example, if there are only two professors teaching contracts, they might both be using Murray... so you are safe to buy early - even if you do not know which section you will have.
3) once you find out about the book, see if a new edition comes out before the class starts
4) If you are really interested in getting a good deal - the public interest law project has a used book sale sometime before school:
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The contact info is not available, but the standard format for emails is:
[first initial][last name]@willamette.edu
5) You could also email the editor in chief of the Willamette Law Review for information. While a little unorthodox, the EIC probably could point you in the right direction. As a wise person I knew once said "If you see a turtle on top of a fence post, you know it did not get there itself."
6) http://www.outlinedepot.com has a lot of willamette outlines and notes posted - this might give you an idea of what the classes you are facing will cover; however, outlines are not really that helpful until finals get close.

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby flynhawaiian » Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:49 pm

I'm kind of interested are some of you thinking that golden gate is better than willamette?

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby willamette » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:09 pm

I have never been to Golden Gate, but I like California, and in retrospect I may have chosen to live there for three years. It will probably be more expensive in Cali unless you have great scholarships to offset the cost of living. Until a few days ago I may have argued that Willamette will slowly climb in the rankings (we do have a pretty good bar passage rate and it seemed like the reputation was improving). Willamette has a pretty good regional reputation: BUT - Willamette is back in the 4th tier and I am tired of telling myself much will improve. If you want to take the California Bar and work in CA, go to Golden Gate. If you want to work in Oregon (and you believe the economy is going to pick up in the next three years) go to Willamette. Speaking from experience Willamette provides a good education and the professors are smart and charismatic (most of them) - I have used Golden Gate exams (they kindly make them available to anyone online) to study for my exams and it seems they are about the same, so I imagine Golden Gate provides a similar education. if Golden Gate is bigger (enrollment) you should take into account that you will have a better selection of coursed at a bigger school. I also know that Golden Gate allows students to spend a semester interning anywhere in the US - this can REALLY help you to establish contacts where you want to work. Thomas Cooley does the same thing.

Wherever you go - do not forget to make getting a job a your full time job while in school. Otherwise you will end up in debt and scrambling for a legal job that pays less than most starting jobs out of undergrad. In this economy, think long and hard about what else you could do with three years of your life and 150 thousand dollars... think long and hard.... if you won a 150 thousand dollar lottery (300k gross with 1/2 taxes) - would you go to law school?

as usual - feel free to ignore any non willamette specific information in this post.

Back to studying for my Monday Final -- next week is my last week of law school...

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby Halfway » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:17 pm

How do you rate the girls at WUCL?

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby willamette » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:22 pm

Another note - do some research on Golden Gate to see how they handle failure. If Golden Gate has a program that helps struggling students this might be a deal-maker. Willamette kicks out the bottom few students each semester and the "program" for the struggling students is that they have to retake THE ENTIRE CLASS if they do not score well. You may never have to retake a class wherever you go; but if Golden Gate does not have this policy you will at least not have the environment that is fostered by students who fear the axe or the retake...

As mentioned before - these harsh policies have done little to help Willamette's rank.

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby A'nold » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:35 pm

Ah, my old thread.

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby flynhawaiian » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:48 pm

seems like an interesting perspective, with the recent 77.8% first time bar pass rate for july 2008 it almost seems like GGU is slowly improving... I wonder about further discussion

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby OperaSoprano » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:54 pm

A'nold, not another one of these things!

Guess where you are going?

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby willamette » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:56 pm

I do not have any empirical studies, but it seems there is a general consensus that the California Bar is really difficult, possibly more difficult than the Oregon Bar. If you are worried about passing the bar, Willamette really focuses on bar passage. Students with lower grades are required to take bar courses and there is also a weekly bar-prep course offered on Wednesdays for the final semester of school. Either way, BarBri and stamina for the month before the Bar seem to be the most important factors in bar passage rate.

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby A'nold » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:09 am

OperaSoprano wrote:A'nold, not another one of these things!

Guess where you are going?

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BTW, do you like my new avatar?


Nah, this is a hella old thread. However, I like the "tell me all you know about" series and I think I should trademark it. Btw- I just sent in my deposit to the school everyone told me not to do so with. I am now double-deposited.

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby Mr. Matlock » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:29 am

A'nold wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:A'nold, not another one of these things!

Guess where you are going?

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BTW, do you like my new avatar?


Nah, this is a hella old thread. However, I like the "tell me all you know about" series and I think I should trademark it. Btw- I just sent in my deposit to the school everyone told me not to do so with. I am now double-deposited.

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:02 am

A'nold, tell me you didn't! There's still time to cancel that check!

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You love UConn!

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(I'm loving the fact that you just said hella. You, sir, cannot hide your northern california roots. You make me homesick.)

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby A'nold » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:55 pm

You bastards! :lol: Stop tempting me with my true love and let me use logic to decide my fate!

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby 69sofine » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:56 pm

A'nold wrote:You bastards! :lol: Stop tempting me with my true love and let me use logic to decide my fate!

Where'd you double deposit?

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby Mr. Matlock » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:11 pm

A'nold wrote:You bastards! :lol: Stop tempting me with my true love and let me use logic to decide my fate!

Christmas at UCONN:

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby Mr. Matlock » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:16 pm

69sofine wrote:
A'nold wrote:You bastards! :lol: Stop tempting me with my true love and let me use logic to decide my fate!

Where'd you double deposit?

Christmas in Idaho:

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby hdil88 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:56 am

to all of you talking about the attrition rate at Willamette.. check the ABA stats.. it tells you what it is and it is not even close to 20% per year. http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchRes ... px?sid=173
as you can see according to these stats 15 total students over 3 years get cut.. that could not possibly be 20% a year. Another way to see that this is not true is by realizing how many students they enroll for a year: around 150, and how many graduate 3 years later usually around 135. If you where to follow these ridiculous 20% a year numbers only about 80 students of a class would end up graduating!

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby haylie » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:50 pm

it's back to a T3!

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby Tehpokerstar » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:36 pm

It goes back and forth between T3 and T4.

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby bThornRPL » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:10 am

Tehpokerstar wrote:It goes back and forth between T3 and T4.


What's the deal with that?

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Re: Tell me all you know about Willamette Law School.........

Postby Tehpokerstar » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:32 am

it just means that if you care about rankings, then wucl might not be something you want.




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