NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2013 Forum

[cotiger]

Top 20 NLJ250 placement for C/O 2013:

1. Columbia 65.5%
2. NYU 54.9%
3. Harvard 53.6%
4. Chicago 53.0%
5. Penn 52.5%
6. Northwestern 51.1%
7. Duke 48.6%
8. Stanford 47.1%
9. Cornell 45.1%
10. Berkeley 44.9%
11. UVA 44.2%
12. Michigan 41.3%
13. Yale 38.8%
14. Georgetown 37.8%
15. Texas 31.8%
16. Vanderbilt 31.6%
17. UCLA 30.4%
18. USC 29.6%
19. Fordham 24.5%
20. Notre Dame 24.5%

Top 50 can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0

[skri65]

Anyone else got the numbers for the rest of the T30?

[Hoosier2]

bump

[banjo]

I know that NLJ250 is pointless now that we have ABA data, but CLS is getting close to its pre-recession average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... pUVE#gid=0

[chuckbass]

I know that NLJ250 is pointless now that we have ABA data, but CLS is getting close to its pre-recession average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... pUVE#gid=0

New ABA data came out too?

[Tiago Splitter]

I know that NLJ250 is pointless now that we have ABA data, but CLS is getting close to its pre-recession average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... pUVE#gid=0

New ABA data came out too?

Not until April.

[banjo]

I know that NLJ250 is pointless now that we have ABA data, but CLS is getting close to its pre-recession average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... pUVE#gid=0

New ABA data came out too?

Yeah sorry, I meant in a general sense. Just a few years ago people still relied on NLJ250.

[chuckbass]

Ok gotcha. Yea I was gonna say I didn't think that was out yet.

[chuckbass]

NLJ250 placement for C/O 2013:

1) Columbia 65.5%
2) NYU 54.9%
3) Harvard 53.6%
4) Chicago 53.0%
5) Penn 52.5%
6) Northwestern 51.1%
7) Duke 48.6%
8 )Stanford 47.1%
9) Cornell 45.1%
10) Berkeley 44.9%
11) UVA 44.2%
12) Michigan 41.3%
13) Yale 38.8%
14) Georgetown 37.8%
15) Texas 31.75%
16) Vanderbilt 31.55%
17) UCLA 30.42%
18) USC 29.55%
19) Fordham 24.53%
20) Notre Dame 24.46%


h/t Tiago

[ScottRiqui]

What are those percentages measuring? Just to use Cornell as an example, is that saying that 45% of the entire class ends up at NLJ250 firms, or that 45% of the students who end up with a legal job are at NLJ250 firms? Or something else entirely?

[mx23250]

What are those percentages measuring? Just to use Cornell as an example, is that saying that 45% of the entire class ends up at NLJ250 firms, or that 45% of the students who end up with a legal job are at NLJ250 firms? Or something else entirely?

% of all graduates who end up at NLJ250. Notice Yale is low due to many of them choosing clerkships.

[cotiger]

What are those percentages measuring? Just to use Cornell as an example, is that saying that 45% of the entire class ends up at NLJ250 firms, or that 45% of the students who end up with a legal job are at NLJ250 firms? Or something else entirely?

Percent of total grads at NLJ250 firms.

[jacketyellow]

Anyone else got the numbers for the rest of the T30?

Yes, I would like to know this as well.

[hephaestus]

What are those percentages measuring? Just to use Cornell as an example, is that saying that 45% of the entire class ends up at NLJ250 firms, or that 45% of the students who end up with a legal job are at NLJ250 firms? Or something else entirely?

% of all graduates who end up at NLJ250. Notice Yale is low due to many of them choosing clerkships.

Right, so this does not include clerkships, big firms not headquarted in the US (the Magic Circle), and firms of 100+ attorneys but not big enough to be NLJ250 (which usually pay somewhat close to their respective market salary).

[ScottRiqui]

What are those percentages measuring? Just to use Cornell as an example, is that saying that 45% of the entire class ends up at NLJ250 firms, or that 45% of the students who end up with a legal job are at NLJ250 firms? Or something else entirely?

Percent of total grads at NLJ250 firms.

Thanks. Next dumb question - I noticed that for some of the schools, the percentages are higher than the school's "big law score" on LST. Is that just because the data are coming from different years, or does the NLJ250 encompass some non-biglaw firms?

[mx23250]

What are those percentages measuring? Just to use Cornell as an example, is that saying that 45% of the entire class ends up at NLJ250 firms, or that 45% of the students who end up with a legal job are at NLJ250 firms? Or something else entirely?

Percent of total grads at NLJ250 firms.

Thanks. Next dumb question - I noticed that for some of the schools, the percentages are higher than the school's "big law score" on LST. Is that just because the data are coming from different years, or does the NLJ250 encompass some non-biglaw firms?

It's probably just due to the different "cut-offs" for what is considered "big law" vs the "biggest 250 firms". There may be plenty of big law firms but for NLJ they limit it to just the biggest 250, some of which may not be classified as "big law" by others' criteria. Some very high paying firms never make the cut for either (e.g., IP boutiques), so take these data with a grain of salt.

[cotiger]

What are those percentages measuring? Just to use Cornell as an example, is that saying that 45% of the entire class ends up at NLJ250 firms, or that 45% of the students who end up with a legal job are at NLJ250 firms? Or something else entirely?

Percent of total grads at NLJ250 firms.

Thanks. Next dumb question - I noticed that for some of the schools, the percentages are higher than the school's "big law score" on LST. Is that just because the data are coming from different years, or does the NLJ250 encompass some non-biglaw firms?

This is for c/o 2013. The last data on LST is for c/o 2012. NLJ250 is more restrictive than LST big law score, as NLJ250 only encompasses firms with I think ~160+ vs 100+ for LST.

[rad lulz]

What are those percentages measuring? Just to use Cornell as an example, is that saying that 45% of the entire class ends up at NLJ250 firms, or that 45% of the students who end up with a legal job are at NLJ250 firms? Or something else entirely?

Percent of total grads at NLJ250 firms.

Thanks. Next dumb question - I noticed that for some of the schools, the percentages are higher than the school's "big law score" on LST. Is that just because the data are coming from different years, or does the NLJ250 encompass some non-biglaw firms?

The LST data is from last yr

New data in april

[ScottRiqui]

This is for c/o 2013. The last data on LST is for c/o 2012. NLJ250 is more restrictive than LST big law score, as NLJ250 only encompasses firms with I think ~160+ vs 100+ for LST.

Thanks again - I was just pleasantly surprised to see Texas go from 25.8% to 31.8%, and wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something big.

[whm0829]

Can someone post rankings 21-50 please? Thanks

[moonman157]

Obligatory CCN > P comment.

Obviously the difference between Chicago's number and Penn's number for this year is pretty insignificant. But this is the first time in a while that Penn has been below all of CCN.

[twenty]

2. Northwestern 51.1%

CCNPN?

[04102014]

Obligatory CCN > P comment.

Obviously the difference between Chicago's number and Penn's number for this year is pretty insignificant. But this is the first time in a while that Penn has been below all of CCN.

[downinDtown]

Can someone post rankings 21-50 please? Thanks

21-50 rankings here: http://[link redacted]/isP1J6

Sortable Google Doc with comparison for 2012 and 2013 numbers (and % increase).

[Winston1984]

Can someone post rankings 21-50 please? Thanks

21-50 rankings here: http://[link redacted]/isP1J6

Sortable Google Doc with comparison for 2012 and 2013 numbers (and % increase).

Thank you very much!