Class of 2012 Employment Statistics (new LST Score Reports) Forum

[jenesaislaw]

The new LST Score Reports are up and include all of the class of 2012 data reported to the ABA.

http://www.lstscorereports.com
http://placementsummary.abaquestionnaire.org

Please let me know if you notice any bugs on the site. I am also happy to answer questions.

Notes:

• Southern University Law Center had trouble reporting to the ABA, so does not yet have any data. [Updated.]
• The ABA format is different this year. We convinced the ABA to open up a bit about the school-funded jobs. Now, you can see what kind of credentials each school-funded job required. For example, you can see how many of the school-funded jobs were long-term, full-time bar passage required.
• Likewise with the "Education" category; the "Academic" category is now "Education"
• With the ABA data change, we can now know exactly how many school-funded jobs are in the Employment Score. However, we did not remove these. I will explain this decision in more detail later, but we will be adding a toggle button soon so you can toggle the inclusion on/off.

According to class of 2012 data from 200 law schools:

Full-time, Long-Term Legal Jobs:

• These jobs:
  • require bar passage or are judicial clerkships; and
  • are for at least 35 hours per week and have an expected duration of at least one year.
  The national full-time, long-term legal rate is 56.2%.
  • At 66 law schools (33.0%), less than 50% of graduates had these legal jobs.
  • 26 schools (13.0%) had less than 40%
  • 11 schools (5.5%) had less than 33%
• 95 schools (47.5%) exceeded the national rate of 56.2%.
  • 50 schools (25.0%) had more than 66%
  • 20 schools (10.0%) had more than 75%
  • 6 schools (3.0%) had more than 90%
• The national full-time, long-term legal rate (less school-funded jobs) is 55.1%.
  • Excluding school-funded jobs mostly only helped schools at the top end.
  • Five of the six schools over 90% drop below that threshold; two of those five drop below 80%.

Underemployed or Not Employed:

• A graduate counts as underemployed when he or she in a non-professional job or employed in a short-term or part-time job.
• A graduate counts as not employed when he or she is unemployed or pursuing an additional advanced degree.
• The national rate is 27.7%.
• 187 schools (93.5%) reported a rate greater than 10%.
  • 153 schools (76.5%) had more than 20%
  • 111 schools (56.0%) had more than 25%
  • 58 schools (29.0%) had more than 33%
  • 27 schools (13.6%) had more than 40%
  • 8 schools (4%) had more than 50%
  • 24 schools had more underemployed and non-employed graduates than graduates employed in long-term, full-time legal jobs.

Large Firms (at least 101 attorneys):

• 12.2% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions
  • Graduates seek these jobs in part because they’re the jobs that tend to pay the highest salaries.
  • Note that not all of these jobs are associate positions. An unknown number are paralegals, administrators, and staff attorneys.
• At only 51 schools (25.5%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
  • 27 schools (13.5%)had more than 20%
  • 14 schools (7.0%) had more than 33%
  • 8 (4.0%) schools had more than 50%

[rad lulz]

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[Gunnar Stahl]

Nice work.

[20141023]

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[Gunnar Stahl]

Nice work, as always.

Fixed.

[Teflon_Don]

Nice work.

+1 !!

[rad lulz]

ALL HAIL LST

[North]

Nice work.

As always.

[LSATSCORES2012]

Nice work.

As always.

[illiniguy1551]

Seriously the most valuable law-school decision making tool available, I will be donating.

[philosoraptor]

You're the man.

[ironbmike]

Awesome stuff. Great great work.

[sinfiery]

Awesome. Thank you for this.

[Brixton]

I love it! Thank you for all your work!

[K Rock]

Is there a chance you accidentily switched the stats for the two Indiana schools? Historically IUB has placed more students out of state and IUI has place a lot more students in state, but this year those numbers seem switched.

Indiana University - Bloomington
69.5% Employed in IN

Indiana University - Indianapolis
32.4% Employed in IN

[TheNextAmendment]

Thanks for your dedication and work!
LST might just make a big enough impact to discourage enough kids away from TTTT law schools to actually dig us out of the recession. ALL HAIL LST AND THE FUTURE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IT WILL CREATE.

[table3]

Is there a chance you accidentily switched the stats for the two Indiana schools? Historically IUB has placed more students out of state and IUI has place a lot more students in state, but this year those numbers seem switched.

Indiana University - Bloomington
69.5% Employed in IN

Indiana University - Indianapolis
32.4% Employed in IN

Interested in the answer to this. Can we get a double check on the IUB v. IUI numbers? They do seem swapped.

[Nickg415]

well there goes any hope of being productive at work.

[rad lulz]

Thanks for your dedication and work!
LST might just make a big enough impact to discourage enough kids away from TTTT law schools to actually dig us out of the recession. ALL HAIL LST AND THE FUTURE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IT WILL CREATE.

ALL HAIL BROTHER

[North]

Bug: The Salary Response Score for the esteemed Charleston School of Lawl seems to be pulling from the wrong line of the spreadsheet. It says 'June 2013' where I imagine there should be a number.

Derp.

[Nickg415]

Bug: The Salary Response Score for the esteemed Charleston School of Lawl seems to be pulling from the wrong line of the spreadsheet. It says 'June 2013' where I imagine there should be a number.

Notice that too. I just figured that this meant that this data wont be released until June 2013.

[Rahviveh]

Bug: The Salary Response Score for the esteemed Charleston School of Lawl seems to be pulling from the wrong line of the spreadsheet. It says 'June 2013' where I imagine there should be a number.

Looks like they all have that. Isn't the salary stuff from the NALP report, yet to be released?

[Rahviveh]

Holy fuck USF lol

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=sanfranciso

[North]

Bug: The Salary Response Score for the esteemed Charleston School of Lawl seems to be pulling from the wrong line of the spreadsheet. It says 'June 2013' where I imagine there should be a number.

Looks like they all have that. Isn't the salary stuff from the NALP report, yet to be released?

I think you're right. That was just the first page I noticed it on. Nevermind, then.

[Nickg415]

Holy fuck USF lol

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=sanfranciso

Thought the same thing about the university of D.C.:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=udc