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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby Tom Joad » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:25 pm

Patiently waiting for the Yale punchline.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby florida1949 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:51 pm

this list correlates really well with number of e-mails sent to potential law students.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby PRgradBYU » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:52 am

florida1949 wrote:this list correlates really well with number of e-mails sent to potential law students.


That's no coincidence (although I've never received an email from Whittier haha). The top schools' reputations speak for themselves.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby drmguy » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:53 am

Tom Joad wrote:Patiently waiting for the Yale punchline.

The Yale punchline.

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A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A
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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:54 am

nice

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby reyals » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:23 am

Looks like I should have applied to Louisiana State

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby Skye » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:29 am


Quick Read:

The overall data shows 44,500 students received 24,000 JD jobs. 55% happy, 45% not so much.

T-14 snapshot. 3,977 JD jobs were provided to 4,784 students. 83% gained jobs, 17% no.

If you focus on the T-10…. 88% landed JD employment. Not employed down to 12%.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby cahwc12 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:35 am

American finally cracks T20 in a ranking system!

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby haus » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:19 am

Sorry, cannot put faith in any such list where Regent University does not crack the top 3.

Thanks for sharing though.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby PRgradBYU » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:24 pm

haus wrote:Sorry, cannot put faith in any such list where Regent University does not crack the top 3.

Thanks for sharing though.


:lol: :lol:

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:28 pm

Skye wrote:

Quick Read:

The overall data shows 44,500 students received 24,000 JD jobs. 55% happy, 45% not so much.

T-14 snapshot. 3,977 JD jobs were provided to 4,784 students. 83% gained jobs, 17% no.

If you focus on the T-10…. 88% landed JD employment. Not employed down to 12%.


Are you sober? Weird.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby dr123 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:32 pm

What's the deal with UPR, I refuse to believe their employment stats are that bad.

Also, why are Mississippi College of Law's numbers so much better than Ole Miss. The fuck?

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby facile princeps » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:43 pm

An unranked St. Mary's University outperforming some of the T14. Nice.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby MikeSpivey » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:08 am

kappycaft1,

Did you compile this from the self-reported data of law school? If so, nice job that must have taken a good while. I am trying, and failing, to reverse engineer the methodology for the rankings. Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks!

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby facile princeps » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:51 am

MikeSpivey wrote:kappycaft1,

Did you compile this from the self-reported data of law school? If so, nice job that must have taken a good while. I am trying, and failing, to reverse engineer the methodology for the rankings. Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks!

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% of graduates who secure JD-Required, Long-term, Full-Time jobs.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby MikeSpivey » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:07 pm

facile princeps wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:kappycaft1,

Did you compile this from the self-reported data of law school? If so, nice job that must have taken a good while. I am trying, and failing, to reverse engineer the methodology for the rankings. Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks!

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% of graduates who secure JD-Required, Long-term, Full-Time jobs.


"Am I missing something obvious" ---YES. Classic example of missing the forest through the trees! Thanks.

Edit: It even lined up sequentially! In my defense, I'm an idiot.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby rad lulz » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:43 pm

Skye wrote:

Quick Read:

The overall data shows 44,500 students received 24,000 JD jobs. 55% happy, 45% not so much.

T-14 snapshot. 3,977 JD jobs were provided to 4,784 students. 83% gained jobs, 17% no.

If you focus on the T-10…. 88% landed JD employment. Not employed down to 12%.

Just because you get a FT/LT job doesn't mean you are happy or that the job doesn't suck.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby haus » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:46 pm

rad lulz wrote:Just because you get a FT/LT job doesn't mean you are happy or that the job doesn't suck.

+1

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby JO 14 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:34 pm

I checked the numbers. Problem is; fulltime JD employment could entail “school funded.” In the case of UVA their school funded percentage is somewhere around a whopping 20% (give/take).

Since I do not personally know anyone having received a “school funded” job, I have to ask what does “school funded” actually mean? As in, how much $, for how long and exactly what does the “job” part of this employment entail? 20% of an estimated 300 person class means the school has employed 60 jobless students…. what is it that they do? (other than look for real work).

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby NYstate » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:53 pm

These numbers have been broken out with the school numbers removed on LST. The thing is you have to click the big red asterisk and some people fall to do that.

Re: school jobs.

I never had one but they seem to vary widely by school. I don't think there is a one size fits all approach to this question. Some people do administrative work at the school and others work for not for profits to get experience.

One of them any scandals about law schools involved George Washington's ex-dean unilaterally declared he was lowering the pay of the many students in school funded jobs to 10 ( ten dollars) an hour from 15 dollars an hour because he felt they needed more incentives to find work.

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The outcry caused him to reverse course and actually made people wonder how many grads were in the program. It lasts a year.

Other controversies include dean Z from Northwestern giving a very low and incorrect number when asked a question- something about the correct numbers would be on the website soon, but somehow she couldn't get them together in time for ASW ( or maybe it was just one day at Michingan)

Note that Yale also has school funded jobs but these seem to be highly coveted sponsored fellowships paid for through the school.

The reality is that most schools do this to improve employment stats. The numbers didnt used to have report then separately from the regular fulltime jobs. Now they do have to report these school funded jobs many people were shocked at how many students were being paid by the schools at even T14 schools. Virginia is one example with one out of five students paid through the school.

One more thing: be sure to find out how these jobs are obtained. An unemployed Duke grad posted last year about how she couldn't even find a school fellowship job so she had no employment.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby jeffyl00b » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:57 pm

dr123 wrote:Also, why are Mississippi College of Law's numbers so much better than Ole Miss. The fuck?


After reading so many things about what's gone on with Ole Miss' career services, it's actually not shocking me at all.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby Presidentjlh » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:42 pm

Seeing how high Nebraska and Creighton are in the list, I have to imagine market saturation is a big part of this. The legal market in Nebraska is much better than in more urban states, from what I can tell.

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby Samara » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:47 pm

NYstate wrote:These numbers have been broken out with the school numbers removed on LST. The thing is you have to click the big red asterisk and some people fall to do that.

Re: school jobs.

I never had one but they seem to vary widely by school. I don't think there is a one size fits all approach to this question. Some people do administrative work at the school and others work for not for profits to get experience.

One of them any scandals about law schools involved George Washington's ex-dean unilaterally declared he was lowering the pay of the many students in school funded jobs to 10 ( ten dollars) an hour from 15 dollars an hour because he felt they needed more incentives to find work.

--LinkRemoved--

The outcry caused him to reverse course and actually made people wonder how many grads were in the program. It lasts a year.

Other controversies include dean Z from Northwestern giving a very low and incorrect number when asked a question- something about the correct numbers would be on the website soon, but somehow she couldn't get them together in time for ASW ( or maybe it was just one day at Michingan)

Note that Yale also has school funded jobs but these seem to be highly coveted sponsored fellowships paid for through the school.

The reality is that most schools do this to improve employment stats. The numbers didnt used to have report then separately from the regular fulltime jobs. Now they do have to report these school funded jobs many people were shocked at how many students were being paid by the schools at even T14 schools. Virginia is one example with one out of five students paid through the school.

One more thing: be sure to find out how these jobs are obtained. An unemployed Duke grad posted last year about how she couldn't even find a school fellowship job so she had no employment.

Dean Z from Michigan, not Northwestern. Don't go dragging down NU with UMich. :P

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Re: The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Postby 09042014 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:37 pm

How come Yale super preftsiguous fellowships suddenly exploded in number after 2008?




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