Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

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Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby ManoftheHour » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:27 pm

Numbers: 3.6X/162;

Issue Resolved. Retake is definitely the correct answer.
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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby Ti Malice » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:32 pm

Retaking is far and away the most intelligent choice here.

ND is absolutely not worth sticker, and it will not get you to SoCal. What are the stips on the Loyola scholarship?

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:33 pm

I might go to the law school in Vegas in your situation. If you can go for free. And exploit connections.

It's super hard to make your own.

Otherwise, RETAKE

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby ManoftheHour » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:43 pm

Stips: Top 50%.

I've already retaken it. Completely bombed the LG section (as I did on the first exam). I mean I really bombed it. During the exam, I calculated that even if I get 90% of the other sections correct as I usually do, I would only have a low 160 score.

I took two different courses and on most in classroom mock exams, I scored in the upper 160s and even cracked the lower 170s a few times near the end. However, there were three or four exams in which I hit the low 160s. The thing is, once I panic, it's over. I thought I had all of the different types of games down but after the past December LSAT, I've realized that I'm just not good at the logic games. It seemed to me that the games on the past December LSAT were nothing I've ever seen before. Quite frankly, I'm just really terrible at this section.
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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby ManoftheHour » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:46 pm

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby Ti Malice » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:47 pm

What courses did you take? Have you done every LG in existence? Since games don't come to you naturally, have you done every LG in existence at least twice?

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby ManoftheHour » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:51 pm

Ti Malice wrote:What courses did you take? Have you done every LG in existence? Since games don't come to you naturally, have you done every LG in existence at least twice?


I took Kaplan and Score it Up. I've taken almost every (I might have skipped one or two LSATs in the recent era but I did my best to purchase most of the recent exams) LG in existence at least once and the newer half of them twice. Most of the time, I well on the games and even hit perfect scores every now and then. However, once in a while, I still bomb a game or two. My absolute nightmare became a reality during the last LSAT.
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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:51 pm

You can really only hope to work in California with a California law degree, or good grades at T14, or some serious connections to lawyers in California. Nobody here will put any value on a UNLV JD.

Now, if you are going to attend law school in California, I strongly recommend nothing lower than USC. If you choose to ignore that advice, then you have to go to Loyola/USD/Pepperdine on a full scholarship.

Odds are out of a lower Cal T1/T2 that you'll graduate unemployed or work in a small firm in the area of 50-70k. But that's a lot better to do with little to no debt, than with $100k+ debt out of Hastings, Davis, UCI, etc.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby ManoftheHour » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:56 pm

Mick Haller wrote:You can really only hope to work in California with a California law degree, or good grades at T14, or some serious connections to lawyers in California. Nobody here will put any value on a UNLV JD.

Now, if you are going to attend law school in California, I strongly recommend nothing lower than USC. If you choose to ignore that advice, then you have to go to Loyola/USD/Pepperdine on a full scholarship.

Odds are out of a lower Cal T1/T2 that you'll graduate unemployed or work in a small firm in the area of 50-70k. But that's a lot better to do with little to no debt, than with $100k+ debt out of Hastings, Davis, UCI, etc.


I'm aware that a UNLV JD is pretty much worthless outside of Nevada. But would work experience in a big company matter? Say I work for Las Vegas Sands Corp. as a tax attorney for five years. After passing the California Bar, would that experience help me land a job in southern California?

Also, 70k is actually fine with me.

Thanks for the advice so far.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby jstr00az » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:45 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:
Mick Haller wrote:You can really only hope to work in California with a California law degree, or good grades at T14, or some serious connections to lawyers in California. Nobody here will put any value on a UNLV JD.

Now, if you are going to attend law school in California, I strongly recommend nothing lower than USC. If you choose to ignore that advice, then you have to go to Loyola/USD/Pepperdine on a full scholarship.

Odds are out of a lower Cal T1/T2 that you'll graduate unemployed or work in a small firm in the area of 50-70k. But that's a lot better to do with little to no debt, than with $100k+ debt out of Hastings, Davis, UCI, etc.


I'm aware that a UNLV JD is pretty much worthless outside of Nevada. But would work experience in a big company matter? Say I work for Las Vegas Sands Corp. as a tax attorney for five years. After passing the California Bar, would that experience help me land a job in southern California?

Also, 70k is actually fine with me.

Thanks for the advice so far.


Is $50k ok? 70k seems the top of what you'd earn given that you'll be in the lower half of the bimodal distribution.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:48 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:Also, 70k is actually fine with me.


I didn't mean to imply that kind of money is easily had. I graduated top 15% at Hastings and don't have a job making that kind of cash. Right now I am working part time for $25/hour.

If I had to approximate using lawschooltransparency data, I'd guess that a school like Loyola places about 5% in $100k+, large and mid sized firms; 30-40% in small to mid firms making 45-70k full-time; the rest either working part time, or in a non-legal field, or unemployed and still looking.

jstr00az wrote:Is $50k ok? 70k seems the top of what you'd earn given that you'll be in the lower half of the bimodal distribution.


Agree with you, but salaries are a little higher in California due to cost of living.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby jstr00az » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:48 pm

Mick Haller wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:Also, 70k is actually fine with me.


I didn't mean to imply that kind of money is easily had. I graduated top 15% at Hastings and don't have a job making that kind of cash. Right now I am working part time for $25/hour.

If I had to approximate using lawschooltransparency data, I'd guess that a school like Loyola places about 5% in $100k+, large and mid sized firms; 30-40% in small to mid firms making 45-70k full-time; the rest either working part time, or in a non-legal field, or unemployed and still looking.

jstr00az wrote:Is $50k ok? 70k seems the top of what you'd earn given that you'll be in the lower half of the bimodal distribution.


Agree with you, but salaries are a little higher in California due to cost of living.


That's not good. That means that $70k doesn't go very far. But that's where you're topping out at anyway given how these things work. Also, no one is making $70k to start at a "small firm". They're making $40k to $45k.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:54 pm

I'm interviewing later this week at a ~20 lawyer firm. Pay is 70-80k.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby Dmini7 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:03 pm

If your set on going and living in California, and these are your only options. Take loyola(on a side note, I am very surprised you were offered full tuition .-. Your numbers seem fairly standard for there school).

Lets hope you get into USC.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby cinephile » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:07 pm

Top 50% might be harder to keep than you realize.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby ndirish2010 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:22 am

Dear God please retake. Don't go to NDLS at sticker. Don't even go to USC/UCLA at sticker.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby dproduct » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:48 am

Did you get a full-ride or the 96k OP? 96k is not a full-ride...

Reason I ask is because, allegedly, LMU has yet to issue their full-rides yet.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby Jose Reyes » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:15 pm

I'd HIGHLY recommend retaking and applying next year.

Otherwise go to Loyola....DO NOT go to Notre Dame at sticker.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby ManoftheHour » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:58 pm

Almost a year later, and here is my update:

Wow. I can't believe I almost took one of these TTT deals.

Just retook for a 167 and am going to be reapplying. Kind of disappointed that after four attempts, I still did not crack a 170. It is what it is.

Thanks everybody!

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby TheSpanishMain » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:16 pm

Congrats man. 167 is still a super solid score

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby Nova » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:18 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:Congrats man. 167 is still a super solid score

+1

Good job bro

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby unodostres » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:26 pm

gg man.

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby californiauser » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:27 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:Almost a year later, and here is my update:

Wow. I can't believe I almost took one of these TTT deals.

Just retook for a 167 and am going to be reapplying. Kind of disappointed that after four attempts, I still did not crack a 170. It is what it is.

Thanks everybody!


Can we sticky this? NO ONE has an excuse not to retake if they're looking at TTTs (any school that only gives its students a 50/50 shot of becoming a lawyer)

congrats man

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby unodostres » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:36 am

You still lookin Cali?

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Re: Notre Dame At Sticker or Full Ride at Loyola (Los Angeles)?

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:50 am

Retake

J/K bro, that's awesome. I obviously was incapable of breaking 170 too. But you'll have some good choices. Definitely let us know how your cycle works out!




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