If you do not go to a "national" school...

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If you do not go to a "national" school...

Postby romothesavior » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:26 am

... then go to a reputable law school in the region in which you want to practice for a reasonable price. The end.

Not sure why this is rocket science, but it seems like a billion "Pepperdine w/$ vs. W&L vs. UF?" threads have popped up lately. Seriously people, are you pulling these schools out of a hat? Do you have no direction in life, or is it that you don't understand the nature of legal hiring, or both?

ETA: This should almost always be the area in which you have ties, particularly if 1) the school is lower ranked, and 2) the market is small.
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Postby Bronck » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:29 am

Amen

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Postby rad lulz » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:33 am

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Re: If you do not go to a "national" school...

Postby romothesavior » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:35 am

rad lulz wrote:Also, in many secondary markets, it will be difficult to get a job there if you are not from there or have significant ties to the region, even if you go to the regional school.

Ah yes, I should have included this in my OP.

Relocating for law school is usually a bad idea. Relocating for law school to go to a mediocre T2/3 school in order to break into some hyper-parochial market? Just awful.

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Postby reformed calvinist » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:37 am

romothesavior wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Also, in many secondary markets, it will be difficult to get a job there if you are not from there or have significant ties to the region, even if you go to the regional school.

Ah yes, I should have included this in my OP.

Relocating for law school is usually a bad idea. Relocating for law school to go to a mediocre T2/3 school in order to break into some hyper-parochial market? Just awful.


Indeed, there are very few destination law schools. If you really want to live somewhere, there are probably a million easier and cheaper ways than enrolling in the local law school.

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Postby charliep » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:41 am

romothesavior wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Also, in many secondary markets, it will be difficult to get a job there if you are not from there or have significant ties to the region, even if you go to the regional school.

Ah yes, I should have included this in my OP.

Relocating for law school is usually a bad idea. Relocating for law school to go to a mediocre T2/3 school in order to break into some hyper-parochial market? Just awful.


how much evidence is available for this? i don't really doubt it, but every lawyer i've spoken with, including in the supposedly insular PNW, said attending a school in the area is a sufficient "tie."

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Postby beach_terror » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:43 am

charliep wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Also, in many secondary markets, it will be difficult to get a job there if you are not from there or have significant ties to the region, even if you go to the regional school.

Ah yes, I should have included this in my OP.

Relocating for law school is usually a bad idea. Relocating for law school to go to a mediocre T2/3 school in order to break into some hyper-parochial market? Just awful.


how much evidence is available for this? i don't really doubt it, but every lawyer i've spoken with, including in the supposedly insular PNW, said attending a school in the area is a sufficient "tie."

Maybe for him, but I go to school in Philadelphia. Our legal market is super-fucking-skeptical of people without ties, especially for biglaw. Many of my friends had trouble during interviews.

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Re: If you do not go to a "national" school...

Postby romothesavior » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:46 am

charliep wrote:how much evidence is available for this? i don't really doubt it, but every lawyer i've spoken with, including in the supposedly insular PNW, said attending a school in the area is a sufficient "tie."

Partly depends on the market. For some markets, it will be okay assuming you have the grades. For others, it is a huge barrier to overcome.

Also, I think relocating to law school to try and aim for a new region is more risky because it requires you to have better grades than your "hometown" counterparts. If you are top 5% at the local T1, you're gonna get some looks regardless of where you're from. If you're top 1/3 at the local T1 with strong ties, you're probably gonna get some looks. But what about top 1/3 with no ties and no tangible reason for sticking around? Good freakin' luck.

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Postby reformed calvinist » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:47 am

anecdotal evidence is not your friend

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Postby Bobby Dazzler » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:47 am

romothesavior wrote:
charliep wrote:how much evidence is available for this? i don't really doubt it, but every lawyer i've spoken with, including in the supposedly insular PNW, said attending a school in the area is a sufficient "tie."

Partly depends on the market. For some markets, it will be okay assuming you have the grades. For others, it is a huge barrier to overcome.

Also, I think relocating to law school to try and aim for a new region is more risky because it requires you to have better grades than your "hometown" counterparts. If you are top 5% at the local T1, you're gonna get some looks regardless of where you're from. If you're top 1/3 at the local T1 with strong ties, you're probably gonna get some looks. But what about top 1/3 with no ties and no tangible reason for sticking around? Good freakin' luck.

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Postby charliep » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:49 am

reformed calvinist wrote:anecdotal evidence is not your friend


that's why i was wondering if there was any evidence available, so i wouldn't have to rely on my anecdotal evidence. was that not clear?

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Postby charliep » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:50 am

Bobby Dazzler wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
charliep wrote:how much evidence is available for this? i don't really doubt it, but every lawyer i've spoken with, including in the supposedly insular PNW, said attending a school in the area is a sufficient "tie."

Partly depends on the market. For some markets, it will be okay assuming you have the grades. For others, it is a huge barrier to overcome.

Also, I think relocating to law school to try and aim for a new region is more risky because it requires you to have better grades than your "hometown" counterparts. If you are top 5% at the local T1, you're gonna get some looks regardless of where you're from. If you're top 1/3 at the local T1 with strong ties, you're probably gonna get some looks. But what about top 1/3 with no ties and no tangible reason for sticking around? Good freakin' luck.

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makes sense, i just thought i'd ask

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Postby rad lulz » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:51 am

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Re: If you do not go to a "national" school...

Postby reformed calvinist » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:52 am

rad lulz wrote:
charliep wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Also, in many secondary markets, it will be difficult to get a job there if you are not from there or have significant ties to the region, even if you go to the regional school.

Ah yes, I should have included this in my OP.

Relocating for law school is usually a bad idea. Relocating for law school to go to a mediocre T2/3 school in order to break into some hyper-parochial market? Just awful.


how much evidence is available for this? i don't really doubt it, but every lawyer i've spoken with, including in the supposedly insular PNW, said attending a school in the area is a sufficient "tie."

Obviously there are no hard numbers, but the ones where I personally know people having or who have had trouble due to this phenomenon are: Nashville (Vanderbilt), St. Louis (Wash U.), NC (UNC), non-ATL GA (UGA), Florida major markets (FL), MS (Ole Miss), and I think a couple other. I've heard a ton of stories from other places around the country, especially in smaller markets.

Of course, you can overcome (through great grades, WE, etc.), but if you're just another nobody in the middle of the class, good luck.


What if you're born and raised in one of those markets but have gone to college/law school outside of the region (yet still have family there)?

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Postby rad lulz » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:58 am

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Re: If you do not go to a "national" school...

Postby AVBucks4239 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:15 am

OP's original post should be required reading for every 0L before they post in the "Choosing a Law School" forum.

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Re: If you do not go to a "national" school...

Postby IAFG » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:36 am

Fuuuuck I have been on this site too long. Tso mad at 0Ls.

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Re: If you do not go to a "national" school...

Postby de5igual » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:45 am

i think you should clarify "national" school to mean one that places into NYC, and to a lesser extent, DC. No school will open doors on a national scale if you don't have ties to all those places.

/pathetic thursday night poast

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Re: If you do not go to a "national" school...

Postby shoeshine » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:47 am

f0bolous wrote:No school will open doors on a national scale if you don't have ties to all those places.

Yale, FTW

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Postby rad lulz » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:49 am

shoeshine wrote:
f0bolous wrote:No school will open doors on a national scale if you don't have ties to all those places.

Yale, FTW

I'm not even sure Yale would open doors ITE in some of the more parochial markets I'm familiar with (MS, SC).

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Postby Blessedassurance » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:52 am

shoeshine wrote:
f0bolous wrote:No school will open doors on a national scale if you don't have ties to all those places.

Yale Harvard, FTW

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Postby de5igual » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:56 am

Blessedassurance wrote:
shoeshine wrote:
f0bolous wrote:No school will open doors on a national scale if you don't have ties to all those places.

Yale Harvard, FTW


nah...even from HYS, you'll generally need ties in the secondary markets.




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