Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

(Rankings, Profiles, Tuition, Student Life, . . . )
User avatar
Excellence = a Habit
Posts: 1021
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:15 pm

Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Excellence = a Habit » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:09 am

Boalt v. Michigan was my crucial choice to make this cycle, so I did a lot of thinking about it. About a week ago I mentioned to some TLSers making a similar decision that I would post a comparison. Here is the first part of that comparison, which focuses comparing the tangible qualities of both schools - student body demographics, career placement, extracurriculars, etc. I got this info mostly from the schools' websites but putting it side-by-side was really useful for me. I've included only those issues that were interesting or relevant to me, so it won't be helpful for all of you. I hope it's of some benefit to anyone still making this decision (or a similar one). In the next day or two, I hope to add my impressions of the schools' less tangible characteristics, as I experienced them at ASW.

Sorry this is long! Just skip it if you're not interested :)

Table of Contents:

- Intro
- Journals
- Clinics
- Career Placement by Sector (from LST)
- Career Placement by Location (from LST)
- Breadth of Curricula/Availability as a 1L
- Class Size, Organization and Demographics
- Grading Systems
- International Programs and Curricula
- Interdisciplinary Opportunities

Intro

Berkeley and Michigan ended up being the two law schools between which I was deciding. As soon as I got the feel for Michigan at their ASW, I concluded it was a much better fit for me than Penn had been, so Penn got thrown out. That left Berkeley. I was not quite as wowed by my Boalt visit as I had been expecting, but because I had been expecting to prefer it over Michigan, it took a little thinking and time for me to shift my mind. As part of my thought process, I wrote some charts comparing the two schools on their more quantitative aspects – for instance, the number of journals offered, the number of classes offered in a given subject of interest to me, etc. In the end, these factors didn’t determine my decision, but they helped me to clarify the choice I was making, so I’ve included them here – with the caveat that sometimes I just couldn’t find much info about certain programs or curricula on Berkeley’s website. Below that, I will try to compare the two school’s more qualitative aspects.

Journals

Berkeley has 12 journals, 5 of which appealed to me a lot. Their Law Review (according to someone from the staff – I didn’t verify this independently – is one of six subscribed to by the U.S. Supreme Court. According to wikipedia, it was ranked in the top ten law journals in America in a survey taken in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and was the 6th most cited law review in the States – it was unclear whether the journal has lost that pre-eminence or the survey is no longer taken, etc. I’m not sure what all of that means in effect, but it’s impressive nonetheless. Every journal except LR has open admission and you can join right away. For CLR, grades play no role in selection – it’s entirely through a write-on competition and a personal statement. On a less important note, Boalt’s journal offices are very nice looking, I thought.

Mich has six journals, 2 or 3 of which are interesting to me. All except Law Review are open admission, and you can join two of them in your first year. I couldn’t (easily) find any commentary on MLR’s level of regard among law reviews. (Again, I have no idea how much that matters – I assume that being on LR at a top law school is equally challenging and impressive whether or not the review itself is exceptionally highly regarded.) Michigan’s journal offices are in the library and looked pretty cramped and/or uninspiring, from the outside. I wondered if they might be planning to relocate them to the new building under construction, but according to the website on the new building that is not part of the plan.

Clinics

By my count, Berkeley has 18 clinics or clinic-like things. It looks like WAY fewer on the clinics page of the website and I added these up from a couple of different sources, so I may be off in my count. But the basic point holds – there are a lot of clinic-like things to do at Boalt. One reason why the count is higher than it appears is that several projects are known as SLIPs (Student Initiated Legal Projects or something – they appear to have reversed the I and L in the acronym). As I understand it, SLIPs are Boalt’s way of getting around California’s requirement that students must be 2Ls before they practice – they are organized with a different degree of oversight (sorry, I’m not exactly clear on how that works). But they still allow you to work directly with clients to some degree in your first year of law school, which is really great (you can actually start a few weeks into your first semester). The other reason why there are so many more clinic opportunities it than first appears is that one of the clinics, the East Bay Community Law Center, actually contains several clinics within it – separate projects with separate foci. Of the 18 clinic-like things that I counted, eight appealed to me based on the name alone. One of these was the international human rights clinic, but I could not find an overview of this clinic (or of most of the others). I’m not sure of the physical location of most of the clinics, but the ones that are contained within EBLC are held at a location 1.3 miles away from campus (which is perhaps inconvenient but also cool, assuming that that is a location with easy access for the community at large.

Michigan has 12 clinics, of which six are immediately interesting to me. There is a decent overview of each clinic available online. I am not sure on this, but I believe you can’t join a clinic until your 2L year. I can’t find explicit confirmation of this online though. One student on TLS said that it’s difficult to get into the clinic you want and you might be shut out if you don’t request clinics strategically. Of course that is anecdotal, and I have only a hunch, not data to support, that it wouldn’t be difficult at Boalt, both because they have fewer students and more clinics and because the focus at Boalt seems so much about real-life experiences. Michigan’s clinics will soon (Jan 2012, supposedly) be housed in the new building they’re working on, so I assume it will be nice.

Career Placement (Sector)

Boalt career placement sectors for 2008 grads, according to the Law School Transparency Project:

- Private Sector: 76%
- Article III clerkship: 7%
- Public interest: 10%
- Government: 5%
- Other clerkship: 2%
- Unemployed: 1.4%
- Academia: 0%

Michigan’s career placement sectors for 2008 grads, according to the Law School Transparency Project:

- Private Sector: 78%
- Article III clerkships: 9%
- Public interest: 5.3%
- Other clerkship: 4.6%
- Government: 2.6%
- Academia: 0.8%
- Unemployed: 0.2%

Positives for Mich here (for me):

- The lower unemployment rate. I could be wrong, but the difference between 0.2% and 1.4% seems significant. (For what it’s worth, in the last days it looks like Law School Transparency has posted new numbers from those who graduated in 2009. Unemployment stats are up at both schools, but the spread of 1.2% holds exactly (Mich at 1.5%, Boalt at 2.7%).
- The higher clerkship stats, both for Article III and overall. (In 2009 the gap held steady for Art III, but narrowed for other clerkships).
- I was going to say “the better academic placement,” but the 2009 numbers had Mich and Boalt pretty much reversed from 2008 on this statistic. Perhaps the sample size is so small that year-to-year variations even themselves out of time. My anecdotal understanding has been that Michigan is better for academia in general, but I have no data for that at all.

Positives for Boalt:

- Higher PI and government placement. It’s hard to say what Michigan’s clerks do after their clerkships, but conventional wisdom would have most of them going to firms (I believe). If every clerk at both schools goes to the private sector afterward (for simplicity’s sake), then private/public placement at Mich becomes 89.6% / 9.9%, while Boalt’s becomes 85% / 15%. This would mean that Boalt has 50% more students who end up going into PI, which seems significant. By 2009’s numbers Michigan’s private/public placement would be 85.7% / 10.2% and Boalt’s would be 77.5% / 17.2%, so the relationship holds. So a significantly greater percentage of Boalt grads go on to some form of public service, which is important to me, because I don’t want to go to a school where the pressure to go to a firm will be unbearable.


Career Placement (Geographic Region)

Michigan:

- New England: 3.5%
- Mid-Atlantic: 29%
- South Atlantic: 12%
- Pacific: 17%
- Midwest: 28%
- International: 2%

Berkeley:

- New England: 2.5%
- Mid-Atlantic: 11%
- South Atlantic: 7%
- Pacific: 71%
- Midwest: 2.5%
- International: 2%

These pretty much speak for themselves. I understand that Boalt’s Pacific Coast placement has a lot to do with self-selection, but I like the fact that Michigan grads go everywhere. (NB: I skipped the regions without much placement from either school.)

Breadth of Curricula/Availability as a 1L

I looked at (non-1L) course listings at both schools for a current or future semester. I counted 105 offered at Boalt and 106 at Michigan – impressive for Berkeley since they have a smaller student body. Both schools allow you to take a non-1L course in the second semester of your first year. Michigan’s list of allowable courses was 40 or 50 deep; I couldn’t find Boalt’s list, but the website did imply that your choice of course is limited.

Class Size, Organization and Demographics

At 287 students, Berkeley’s class is significantly smaller than Michigan’s 361-376 (range over the last couple years). Both schools divide their 1L classes into 90-student sections. At Boalt, 3 of your classes are with your 90-student section, one is with a smaller 30-student group (drawn entirely from the 90-student group), and your LRW class has 20-something students. At Michigan two of your classes are with the 90-student section, one is with a 45-student subsection (drawn from the larger) and your LRW is with a 22 or 23-student subsection (drawn from the larger). So while the size of each enrolled class is larger at Michigan, the number of students who will be in the classroom with you at any given time is comparable/a little smaller at Mich.

Berkeley’s gender ratio is tilted toward women (59% women; 41% men), while Michigan’s is about even. Berkeley’s student body is much more diverse – 54% are people of color and the student body is drawn from 27 countries, versus 21% and 11 countries at Michigan. Boalt’s mean age is 25; Michigan’s is 24.2.

Grading Systems

While both school’s grading systems seem to discourage competition relative to most of the T-14, Boalt goes further. Under their grading system, 60% of students in every class get a Pass grade. 30% get Honors and 10% get High Honors. It is almost impossible to fail a class (and thereby, it’s also almost impossible to do worse than median). Boalt students never learn their rank unless the apply for a clerkship, in which case they are sworn to secrecy.x By contrast, Michigan has an ABCD grading system. I haven’t looked into what the curve is. There is no employer pre-screening at OCI. Students learn their rank only after graduation.

International Programs and Curricula (something that interests me generally)

I was under the impression that Berkeley was great for international stuff (especially int’l human rights work), and that may be the case. But I couldn’t find a ton of information on Boalt’s website about opportunities to work or study abroad. Boalt lets you find your own field placement abroad for an externship, but I’m under the impression that that is not unusual. The Hague takes a lot of Boalt kids, and from the ASW I got the impression that a lot of the reason for that is that Boalt students who have worked there use their connections to help younger Boalt kids get placed there, rather than being the work of the administration – though again, this was just an anecdotal impression that was not contradicted on the website. Boalt has an International Human Rights Clinic that appears to travel overseas at times, though it’s not clear to me what it is that the clinic’s students do.

By comparison, Michigan seems to have more structured international opportunities. They have study abroad programs set up at seven different schools (in seven different countries), and the school has two formal externship programs. One is in Geneva and includes a host of NGOs, including the Hague; the other is in South Africa (working with either a governmental body or an NGO). There is also a summer fellowship abroad in refugee and asylum law, in a number of locations if I recall correctly, and some amount of funding is available for post-graduate externships abroad. In addition to the formal programs, Michigan recently made it mandatory for every student to take Transnational Law at some point. They also claim to have “one of the foremost centers of student on law and legal issues in India,” which I noted because that subject interests me.

Michigan says they offer 25-30 courses related to international legal issues each year. I counted up Berkeley’s offerings in a sample semester and found 13 (so about the same number per year as Michigan, except I guess there would be some repeats).

Interdisciplinary Opportunities

Berkeley allows you to take “7-8 credits” of coursework for credit outside the law school (this info per a faculty member at the ASW). Michigan lets you take 12 credits. Neither school’s websites had well-arranged, accessible info about certificate programs, although I’ve heard a little about the certificates at both schools and they sound appealing.
Last edited by Excellence = a Habit on Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:24 pm, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
powerlawyer06
Posts: 233
Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:20 am

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby powerlawyer06 » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:13 am

Redacted

User avatar
Excellence = a Habit
Posts: 1021
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:15 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Excellence = a Habit » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:30 am

powerlawyer06 wrote:Redacted


?

User avatar
powerlawyer06
Posts: 233
Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:20 am

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby powerlawyer06 » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:38 am

Excellence = a Habit wrote:
powerlawyer06 wrote:Redacted


?


I asked a dumb question and then I figured out the answer so I revised my post. Basically, the whole thing was dumb so I deleted it all.

User avatar
Excellence = a Habit
Posts: 1021
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:15 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Excellence = a Habit » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:46 am

powerlawyer06 wrote:
Excellence = a Habit wrote:
powerlawyer06 wrote:Redacted


?


I asked a dumb question and then I figured out the answer so I revised my post. Basically, the whole thing was dumb so I deleted it all.


Sweet.

User avatar
lawyersofcatan
Posts: 31
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:20 am

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby lawyersofcatan » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:35 am

which school did you end up choosing?

User avatar
powerlawyer06
Posts: 233
Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:20 am

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby powerlawyer06 » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:42 am

lawyersofcatan wrote:which school did you end up choosing?

This was the dumb question I asked initially. Read her profile.

User avatar
Excellence = a Habit
Posts: 1021
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:15 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Excellence = a Habit » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:43 am

lawyersofcatan wrote:which school did you end up choosing?


Michigan, despite the fact that a lot of these stats came out in favor of Boalt given my interests. I'll say more about that later, but in short, the physical environment, academic atmosphere and personalities just felt more right to me.

User avatar
Excellence = a Habit
Posts: 1021
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:15 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Excellence = a Habit » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:44 am

powerlawyer06 wrote:
lawyersofcatan wrote:which school did you end up choosing?

This was the dumb question I asked initially. Read her profile.


Awww that wasn't a dumb question! I usually don't read the profiles because so few people include their information.

User avatar
Rotor
Posts: 917
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:06 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Rotor » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:09 pm

Nice summary E=H! (Even though you picked the other team! :lol: )

One clarification about Boalt's small sections: the org you cited is true for the doctrinal classes only. The LRW section is also made up out of the people in your 90-person section (aka "supermod") but drawn from all three small sections ("mods"). It winds up being 22 or 24 in the LRW section (90/4 rounded to even numbers where possible for partner assignments or oral argument opponents).

Not sure if one of the two for Mich is a writing section, so there may still be a difference there.

Boggs
Posts: 114
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:57 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Boggs » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:15 pm

This is the decision I'm making right now. So, thank you.

User avatar
Excellence = a Habit
Posts: 1021
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:15 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Excellence = a Habit » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:19 pm

Rotor wrote:Nice summary E=H! (Even though you picked the other team! :lol: )

One clarification about Boalt's small sections: the org you cited is true for the doctrinal classes only. The LRW section is also made up out of the people in your 90-person section (aka "supermod") but drawn from all three small sections ("mods"). It winds up being 22 or 24 in the LRW section (90/4 rounded to even numbers where possible for partner assignments or oral argument opponents).

Not sure if one of the two for Mich is a writing section, so there may still be a difference there.


I had left out the LRW classes in both cases because I wasn't sure about either, but that is actually a significant factor -- I'll add something in about it.
Boggs wrote:This is the decision I'm making right now. So, thank you.


Awesome! Good luck.

User avatar
FlightoftheEarls
Posts: 859
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:50 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby FlightoftheEarls » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:16 pm

Rotor wrote:Nice summary E=H! (Even though you picked the other team! :lol: )

One clarification about Boalt's small sections: the org you cited is true for the doctrinal classes only. The LRW section is also made up out of the people in your 90-person section (aka "supermod") but drawn from all three small sections ("mods"). It winds up being 22 or 24 in the LRW section (90/4 rounded to even numbers where possible for partner assignments or oral argument opponents).

Not sure if one of the two for Mich is a writing section, so there may still be a difference there.

This is more or less comparable to Michigan's setup.

To start, Michigan students take only 3 doctrinal courses per semester, as well as LRW. Michigan has four large groupings of sections: ABCD (Summer Starters), EFGH, IJKL, MNOP that total around 92ish each. Two of your three doctrinal classes are typically with all four of the small sections (EFGH), one of the three doctrinal courses is typically with only two sections (EF or GH), and your LRW class is 22-24 students in your single section (E or F or G or H). On some occasions, some sections may have two of the doctrinal courses with only their 2-section classmates (EF) and only one of the doctrinal courses with all four small sections (EFGH).

User avatar
Excellence = a Habit
Posts: 1021
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:15 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Excellence = a Habit » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:24 pm

FlightoftheEarls wrote:
Rotor wrote:Nice summary E=H! (Even though you picked the other team! :lol: )

One clarification about Boalt's small sections: the org you cited is true for the doctrinal classes only. The LRW section is also made up out of the people in your 90-person section (aka "supermod") but drawn from all three small sections ("mods"). It winds up being 22 or 24 in the LRW section (90/4 rounded to even numbers where possible for partner assignments or oral argument opponents).

Not sure if one of the two for Mich is a writing section, so there may still be a difference there.

This is more or less comparable to Michigan's setup.

To start, Michigan students take only 3 doctrinal courses per semester, as well as LRW. Michigan has four large groupings of sections: ABCD (Summer Starters), EFGH, IJKL, MNOP that total around 92ish each. Two of your three doctrinal classes are typically with all four of the small sections (EFGH), one of the three doctrinal courses is typically with only two sections (EF or GH), and your LRW class is 22-24 students in your single section (E or F or G or H). On some occasions, some sections may have two of the doctrinal courses with only their 2-section classmates (EF) and only one of the doctrinal courses with all four small sections (EFGH).


Info integrated. Thanks Earls!

cornellbeez
Posts: 301
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:43 am

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby cornellbeez » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:31 pm

Excellence = a Habit wrote:
Grading Systems

While both school’s grading systems seem to discourage competition relative to most of the T-14, Boalt goes further. Under their grading system, 60% of students in every class get a Pass grade. 30% get Honors and 10% get High Honors. It is almost impossible to fail a class (and thereby, it’s also almost impossible to do worse than median). Boalt students never learn their rank unless the apply for a clerkship, in which case they are sworn to secrecy.x By contrast, Michigan has an ABCD grading system. I haven’t looked into what the curve is. There is no employer pre-screening at OCI. Students learn their rank only after graduation.


Interdisciplinary Opportunities

Berkeley allows you to take “7-8 credits” of coursework for credit outside the law school (this info per a faculty member at the ASW). Michigan lets you take 12 credits. Neither school’s websites had well-arranged, accessible info about certificate programs, although I’ve heard a little about the certificates at both schools and they sound appealing.


More about Michigan:
- You can retroactively "pass" 2 upper division courses, as long as you get a straight C or higher in the course. In addition, you can take up to a certain amount of law courses for mandatory/pass fail (i.e. clinics) and non-law courses for mandatory pass/fail that will not affect your ability to use your 2 retroactive pass/fails. (Common non-law courses that people take are MBA courses and undergraduate language courses. If you are getting a dual-degree in another department, a certain number of your credits cross over.)
- LRW is H/P/F. Pretty much everyone passes and the top 20% get an H.

About the curve: There is a more or less strict curve for 1L courses and upper divs with 40+ people. For upper divs with less than 40 people, which includes seminars, the professor can give as many good grades as he or she wants. While some professors still abide to the curve for courses with <40 people, most professors do not and provide a higher amount of good grades than they do in 1L courses or upper divs with > 40 people.

User avatar
Kring345
Posts: 287
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:30 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Kring345 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:53 am

Super duper old thread, but wanted to resurrect it. No reason to start a new thread when a perfectly good old one exists. It's a decision that I may have to make, so I thought others may be in the same boat. Anything to add anyone?

Both are going to be free, but Mich gave me a 10k scholly that'll go into my pocket. Chances to match? Cost of living is irrelevant, because I get a cost of living payment from the GI Bill (2000ish in Berk, and 1800ish in Mich). Im a big law kind of guy (but not much pressure for big law necessarily because I'll be debt free). Not much interest in PI. No real preference as to where I work/live; Im the kind of person who is happy anywhere.

User avatar
Doorkeeper
Posts: 4872
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:25 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Doorkeeper » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:00 am

Kring345 wrote:Super duper old thread, but wanted to resurrect it. No reason to start a new thread when a perfectly good old one exists. It's a decision that I may have to make, so I thought others may be in the same boat. Anything to add anyone?

Both are going to be free, but Mich gave me a 10k scholly that'll go into my pocket. Chances to match? Cost of living is irrelevant, because I get a cost of living payment from the GI Bill (2000ish in Berk, and 1800ish in Mich). Im a big law kind of guy (but not much pressure for big law necessarily because I'll be debt free). Not much interest in PI. No real preference as to where I work/live; Im the kind of person who is happy anywhere.


If it's free no matter where you go, neither school has something that especially draws you to it relative to the other, and you want BigLaw, I would focus on the geographic factor - where do you want BigLaw and how good does each school place into that market?

User avatar
Kring345
Posts: 287
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:30 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Kring345 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:47 pm

Lol that's the thing. I dont really care. I dont have much of a family, I have no significant other, and very few belongings. So the world is my oyster. I just want to go to the school that will work out best in the short-term (job prospects) and the long term (flexibility to be awesome [ie, job prospects]).

Damn my nonchalance and easy-going attitude. :x 8)

CanadianWolf
Posts: 10439
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:54 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:04 pm

If both are free, then this may help: Michigan cold, Berkeley not so cold. Great choices. Congratulations !

Boggs
Posts: 114
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:57 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Boggs » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:38 am

I ended up at Berkeley. It was a good choice. That said, I still think Michigan would have been great too.

In the end, I'm a west coast kind of person.

User avatar
Rotor
Posts: 917
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:06 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Rotor » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:48 am

I sooooo wish that the first Post 9/11 GI Bill had been structured the way it is now for my 1L year; at least I got one year of the awesome public school deal.

We've got a good vets group here at Berkeley. We do just enough to know that there is support out there if you need it--but not so much you feel like you're deployed again! :D
We also advocate with the administration when necessary. Got YRP added to the law school when we didn't have the full ride and we've kept it to help cover the out of state expenses.

Come to ASD. We will have a table. Stop by and say hi. If you can't come to ASD, PM me and I can discuss more so we don't turn this BvM thread into a B & vets thread.

User avatar
Jaeger
Posts: 391
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:30 pm

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Jaeger » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:50 pm

These pretty much speak for themselves. I understand that Boalt’s Pacific Coast placement has a lot to do with self-selection, but I like the fact that Michigan grads go everywhere. (NB: I skipped the regions without much placement from either school.)


I would guess this is because most people don't want to stay in Michigan.

User avatar
Shaggier1
Posts: 721
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:57 am

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Shaggier1 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:16 pm

I would guess this is because most people don't want to stay in Michigan.


+1

CA is home to two major markets while MI is home to none. Based on last year's OCI (which is the only one I went through and the only one I can speak knowledgeably about), Boalties had no problem leaving CA if they wanted to. For example, even without stellar grades, I had multiple offers V25 firms in DC and NY, as well as a V100 in Phila. (in addition to my CA offers). The same is true for several of my friends.

User avatar
ScrabbleChamp
Posts: 963
Joined: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:09 am

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:14 am

Kring345 wrote:Super duper old thread, but wanted to resurrect it. No reason to start a new thread when a perfectly good old one exists. It's a decision that I may have to make, so I thought others may be in the same boat. Anything to add anyone?

Both are going to be free, but Mich gave me a 10k scholly that'll go into my pocket. Chances to match? Cost of living is irrelevant, because I get a cost of living payment from the GI Bill (2000ish in Berk, and 1800ish in Mich). Im a big law kind of guy (but not much pressure for big law necessarily because I'll be debt free). Not much interest in PI. No real preference as to where I work/live; Im the kind of person who is happy anywhere.


I don't know which GI Bill you are talking about, but for Ann Arbor and the Post 9/11 Bill, housing allowance is $1242. Not even close to $1800.

Geneva
Posts: 1014
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:32 am

Re: Comparing Michigan and Berkeley

Postby Geneva » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:23 am

Thank you! This is incredibly useful. Having never visited either school, the biggest draw to Berkeley for me is the grading system. I could be wrong, but knowing that I can't score "below median" (in theory, from the perspective of employers) is an ENORMOUS ADVANTAGE. Not as big of an advantage of Yale's system, but not holding my breath on that one...




Return to “Choosing a Law School”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: LandMermaid and 8 guests