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Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby whitman » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:21 pm

Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.

Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby dr123 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:02 pm

dr123 wrote:There's the North West and the Mountain West and then there's everything else

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby D-ROCCA » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:05 pm

It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby lolschool2011 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:10 pm

D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.


Not true, I think everyone would agree Cleveland is an epic town to live in/practice law:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby whitman » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:04 pm

whitman wrote:Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.

Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.


I think it's fairly well known that certain markets, like NYC and DC, pretty much require associates to produce absurd billable hours. Maybe that is or isn't true for a place like Nashville or Minneapolis or Denver. This is what I'm asking. Not, "What city is objectively the best place to live?"

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Postby Curry » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:04 pm

lolschool2011 wrote:
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.


Not true, I think everyone would agree Cleveland is an epic town to live in/practice law:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

Lebron James disagrees.

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Postby Hey-O » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:10 pm

whitman wrote:
whitman wrote:Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.

Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.


I think it's fairly well known that certain markets, like NYC and DC, pretty much require associates to produce absurd billable hours. Maybe that is or isn't true for a place like Nashville or Minneapolis or Denver. This is what I'm asking. Not, "What city is objectively the best place to live?"


I think you should have asked the question "What city is objectively the best place to live?" It would make for a lively debate.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby BruceWayne » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:13 pm

whitman wrote:
whitman wrote:Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.

Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.


I think it's fairly well known that certain markets, like NYC and DC, pretty much require associates to produce absurd billable hours. Maybe that is or isn't true for a place like Nashville or Minneapolis or Denver. This is what I'm asking. Not, "What city is objectively the best place to live?"


Atlanta fits the bill. The trouble is getting a SA position and then not getting No-- offered. I believe the Texas cities are similar.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby whitman » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:16 pm

Hey-O wrote:
whitman wrote:
whitman wrote:Where are they? I'm talking good firm cultures with work/life balance. Lower pay is fine. I'd rather have $110 in Denver than $160 in NYC any day.

Please discuss. Also, I put this in "Choosing a Law School" because law schools are regional, and it makes sense to figure out your desired post-school region and then pick a school, rather than the other way around.
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.


I think it's fairly well known that certain markets, like NYC and DC, pretty much require associates to produce absurd billable hours. Maybe that is or isn't true for a place like Nashville or Minneapolis or Denver. This is what I'm asking. Not, "What city is objectively the best place to live?"


I think you should have asked the question "What city is objectively the best place to live?" It would make for a lively debate.


Good thing we already settled that.

We'd all like to flee to the Cleve.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby helloperson » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:40 pm

lolschool2011 wrote:
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.


Not true, I think everyone would agree Cleveland is an epic town to live in/practice law:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU0JpyH1gC8

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby rman1201 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:46 pm

I hear Detroit is nice this time of year

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby justadude55 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:49 pm

That's right - pay is all relative. Raw #'s might sound sexy to the ladies, but at the end of the day taxes and cost of living can make 80K in Idaho far superior to 150K in NYC.

The one thing is that down the line when your eventually born kids go to college, raw numbers start to mean a lot more.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby CanadianWolf » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:57 pm

Personal preference question. Denver, Seattle, Portland (both Oregon & Maine), Atlanta, Minneapolis, Chicago, Salt Lake City & Charlotte are a few nice places to live in my opinion. Southern California air quality is a negative. NYC is either a love it or hate it destination. Vancouver, Victoria, Toronto & Ottawa if planning to practice in Canada.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby imbored25 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:22 pm

Seattle

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:25 pm

Mountain West has the highest rate of pay besides Texas after COL adjustments, reasonable hours, and a very close knit and friendly legal community.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby dr123 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:26 pm

Veyron wrote:Mountain West has the highest rate of pay besides Texas after COL adjustments, reasonable hours, and a very close knit and friendly legal community.


Very credited some of the attnys I work with will leave the office before 5 on some days

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby Alex-Trof » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:33 pm

lolschool2011 wrote:
D-ROCCA wrote:It's going to be pretty difficult to get good advice on the cities that you would like to live in based on other people's opinions.


Not true, I think everyone would agree Cleveland is an epic town to live in/practice law:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY


Not everyone. I vote for Detroit. Unfortunately, very tough market to break into. Mercy and Cooley grads have that place cornered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmF ... ature=fvwp

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby rman1201 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:35 pm

Those new GM commercials actually make Detroit look... 'cool'... rather than the post-apocalyptic grounds it seems to have become.

On that note - anyone know of any good Detroit area schools specializing in Automobile Law?

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby TheOcho » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:38 pm

Minneapolis rates well, although it does get real cold.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby deadpoetnsp » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:48 pm

TheOcho wrote:Minneapolis rates well, although it does get real cold.


I second Minneapolis-St. Paul too. It is a very good place to get a city feel without the city pressure.

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Re: Best Quality of Life Legal Markets

Postby cornellbeez » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:36 pm

All of this depends on what firm you are looking at. (Associates at GDC in Denver still compete for work.) In general, markets in the South probably have the lowest billables. A problem is having ties. You must have ties for the South.




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