2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby ArthurDigbySellers » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:31 am

Always Credited wrote:
ArthurDigbySellers wrote:
Always Credited wrote:Showing this thread to everyone at GW now. Its a fucking hit.


How are you liking GW law? Also, don't mess with asslesschap


I have a great time here, thanks in part to not messing with assless chaps.

Tso's now famous downward spiral has joined the ranks of past epic TLS meltdowns.


Great time, that's good to hear. If your jerbhunt is aight, I just might have reached the tipping point in terms of # of people speaking positively about GW to sell me...

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby farrellaroonie » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:33 am

I just want to thank fellow TLSers for threads like this. I have wasted so much time on the forums here, and loved every minute of it.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby beachbum » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:37 am

farrellaroonie wrote:I just want to thank fellow TLSers for threads like this. I have wasted so much time on the forums here, and loved every minute of it.


Oh, hush you.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Always Credited » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:37 am

ArthurDigbySellers wrote:
Always Credited wrote:
ArthurDigbySellers wrote:
Always Credited wrote:Showing this thread to everyone at GW now. Its a fucking hit.


How are you liking GW law? Also, don't mess with asslesschap


I have a great time here, thanks in part to not messing with assless chaps.

Tso's now famous downward spiral has joined the ranks of past epic TLS meltdowns.


Great time, that's good to hear. If your jerbhunt is aight, I just might have reached the tipping point in terms of # of people speaking positively about GW to sell me...


The 3L's that held out 'till the bitter end for biglaw got destroyed, but the people who job searched intelligently did fine. All my 1L buddies were employed with no problem in whatever field they wanted, a few even pulled non-IP paid gigs with OK grades.

1.) Attend GW. Unless you get into a better school, then probably go there.
2.) Join Section 15, DBAB
3.) ???
4.) Profit, and thank me next year for alerting you to Section 15.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby gothamm » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:45 am

Always Credited wrote:
ArthurDigbySellers wrote:
Always Credited wrote:Showing this thread to everyone at GW now. Its a fucking hit.


How are you liking GW law? Also, don't mess with asslesschap


I have a great time here, thanks in part to not messing with assless chaps.

Tso's now famous downward spiral has joined the ranks of past epic TLS meltdowns.


Any links to more of these epic meltdowns? God i love TLS!!

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby fatduck » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:53 am

gothamm wrote:
Always Credited wrote:
ArthurDigbySellers wrote:
Always Credited wrote:Showing this thread to everyone at GW now. Its a fucking hit.


How are you liking GW law? Also, don't mess with asslesschap


I have a great time here, thanks in part to not messing with assless chaps.

Tso's now famous downward spiral has joined the ranks of past epic TLS meltdowns.


Any links to more of these epic meltdowns? God i love TLS!!

my favorite is the girl who was going to sue a school for not admitting her, because she was handicapped. don't have a link, though.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby 1234543523 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:57 am

fatduck wrote:
gothamm wrote:Any links to more of these epic meltdowns? God i love TLS!!

my favorite is the girl who was going to sue a school for not admitting her, because she was handicapped. don't have a link, though.

Sibley says sue!

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=93082&start=7300#p2756361

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=93082&start=7300#p2756385

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=93082&start=7425#p2757788

Edit:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=93082&start=7375#p2757303
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby fatduck » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:58 am

this thread is a good starting point. too bad the op didn't collect the relevant links.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/archives ... 0&t=112302

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:07 am

fatduck wrote:this thread is a good starting point. too bad the op didn't collect the relevant links.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/archives ... 0&t=112302

Not a single one of those held a candle to the testmasters (kaplan?) employee thread. Sadly, I don't think it exists anymore.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby FuManChusco » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:21 am

Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:
fatduck wrote:this thread is a good starting point. too bad the op didn't collect the relevant links.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/archives ... 0&t=112302

Not a single one of those held a candle to the testmasters (kaplan?) employee thread. Sadly, I don't think it exists anymore.


http://abovethelaw.com/2010/02/flame-wa ... w-schools/

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby stratocophic » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:22 am

Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:
fatduck wrote:this thread is a good starting point. too bad the op didn't collect the relevant links.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/archives ... 0&t=112302

Not a single one of those held a candle to the testmasters (kaplan?) employee thread. Sadly, I don't think it exists anymore.
Amen. That was a weird, weird few hours of TLS. I still wonder whether the tool who was trying to out people was the same lady or not. Testmasters, FTR.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Metaread » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:25 am

So when will TLS get its rankings for 2012 updated? Anyone know?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Ford Prefect » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:26 am

Metaread wrote:So when will TLS get its rankings for 2012 updated? Anyone know?


We've moved beyond this.

Enjoy some Nate Dogg and Warren G.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby OperaSoprano » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:27 am

Lawlcat wrote:
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Lawlcat wrote:The Princess speaks truth. USNWR is just yanking everyone's chain enough to stir up attention without overdoing it and ruining their "believability". It's kind of hilarious what they did with the "T14" this year: dropping a school out of the T14 would be a shocker, but perhaps too much so. They ingeniously went half-and-half and just elevated a school to the T14. It's like jostling the pinball table without tripping the TILT sensor. And these subtle changes have very little to do with employment outcomes.

Confirmed placement in "big firms" that probably pay on the right side of the bimodal distribution plus confirmed Article III clerkship, each as a percentage of the number of JDs awarded.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/7edd4baeb0.png

I put these in USNWR order (2011...lazy) in part because I think it's useful to show that the USNWR rankings do not clearly correlate with employment outcomes. I arbitrarily stopped it at 34 or whatever, but it goes on like that (with I imagine variations that USNWR doesn't predict) for a while.

I think it's really dishonest for USNWR to report "employment" figures. As her highness says, McDonald's counts. It exploits the socially-reinforced expectations that "if you're employed out of law school, you're employed as a lawyer" and further "being a lawyer means you wear a suit and make six figures but you're kind of evil".


Ok, I heart you completely for doing this, and I happen to agree in full with your conclusions, but please do not call me that. OS will do nicely.

Oh, and I especially wanted to flag your last conclusion, because it's 100% the opposite of public interest work. For the most part, nobody wears a suit outside of court, it's rare to make six figures, and the people are incredibly kind, but I know that isn't how most people even conceptualize lawyers. The sad thing is that a lot of schools probably just wish everyone would try for biglaw so they'd have more salary stats to juke. I do think my school is comparatively honest-- I looked at the numbers we published for '09, and they seem to accord with reality. http://law.fordham.edu/career-planning/17281.htm

Your greater point remains: the rankings =/= a linear picture of employment + clerkship numbers. I think most people realize they need to be taken with a grain of salt.


My apologies; it's just such a memorable moniker that it practically demanded to be typed. From now on I'll stick with "OS", which isn't bad either.

Those Fordham numbers are nicely detailed. I was particularly impressed with the firm size breakdown. It seems that they're acknowledging "unknowns", too. On the downside, the use of medians is a bit dicey when we know that there isn't a smooth curve with a single peak. I'd rather see a bar graph or something with salary ranges. (e.g. buckets for 0-40K, 40-60K, 60-80K, 80-100K, ... )

Here's the NLJ 250 data for the class of 2009:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=108678

(Showing about 30%.)

The problem with the Fordham site is that I'm pretty sure the average person glancing at it would figure that at least 60% or so of graduates made 160K. (And it'd be easy to glance at it and do the usual "Oh ... 90% ... average 160K ... sweet! 90% of people make six figures!" thing.) Perhaps NLJ 250 is severely underinclusive, but I'd always been under the impression that it's if anything overinclusive. A percentage breakdown by salary would be more persuasive.

Totally with you on PI.


Oh, what you're looking for is this: --LinkRemoved--

We just don't have the breakdown for class of 2009 yet. I hope LST does it soon! You have to keep in mind that firm numbers are percentages of students working in firms, so it just requires whipping out a calculator to get a percentage of the total. Easy enough that a fashion merchandising major can do it. :oops: I'm happy they listed salary by firm size. This is the part people need to know, because I think there is a lot of confusion about what boutiques and smaller firms really pay. I also think my classmates believe PI orgs pay a bit more than they do... $44k as an estimate is generous. I will try to clerk first if I can.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby fatduck » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:29 am

Ford Prefect wrote:
Metaread wrote:So when will TLS get its rankings for 2012 updated? Anyone know?


We've moved beyond this.

Enjoy some Nate Dogg and Warren G.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY

regulaaators!

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:54 pm

What a fantastic meltdown.

Do we have a Meltdown of the Year 2011 thread? If not, I'm about to start one.

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Postby Fred_McGriff » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:16 pm

RIP Nate Dogg

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby glitched » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:19 pm

romothesavior wrote:What a fantastic meltdown.

Do we have a Meltdown of the Year 2011 thread? If not, I'm about to start one.


link us when you do.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby ArthurDigbySellers » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:29 pm

fatduck wrote:
Ford Prefect wrote:
Metaread wrote:So when will TLS get its rankings for 2012 updated? Anyone know?


We've moved beyond this.

Enjoy some Nate Dogg and Warren G.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY

regulaaators!


Happy nightmares! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chmn-Fm1oqc

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Postby Wholigan » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:41 pm

romothesavior wrote:What a fantastic meltdown.

Do we have a Meltdown of the Year 2011 thread? If not, I'm about to start one.


I have a nomination if you do it. Anti-transfer and Anti-URM status meltdown.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=125194&p=3285768&hilit=minor%2A#p3285768

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Postby ATR » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:48 pm

romothesavior wrote:What a fantastic meltdown.

Do we have a Meltdown of the Year 2011 thread? If not, I'm about to start one.

Tso long!

(someone had to say it)

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby FuManChusco » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:58 pm

ATR wrote:
romothesavior wrote:What a fantastic meltdown.

Do we have a Meltdown of the Year 2011 thread? If not, I'm about to start one.

Tso long!

(someone had to say it)


someone did...

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Postby ATR » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:02 pm

FuManChusco wrote:
ATR wrote:Tso long!

(someone had to say it)


someone did...

Well then.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby beachbum » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:08 pm

Wholigan wrote:
romothesavior wrote:What a fantastic meltdown.

Do we have a Meltdown of the Year 2011 thread? If not, I'm about to start one.


I have a nomination if you do it. Anti-transfer and Anti-URM status meltdown.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=125194&p=3285768&hilit=minor%2A#p3285768


In all fairness, now he might have a point that Texas is right up there with Georgetown. Still an insufferable douche, though.




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