2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby CryingMonkey » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:42 pm

nylawyer488 wrote:
maglialoro wrote:
2things2 wrote: Of course they matter -- what's the easiest way to tell if the kid you're about to hire at your firm had a good law education or not? Rankings. Sure that's an incredibly inaccurate way of going about it, but its whats happening.


No, not really. If you get all Cs wherever you are it means you were lower amongst your class and/or didn't fully master or understand material. Whereas if you get a kid from a tier 3 or even tier 4 school who got all As, it's a totally different story.


True-ish. Cs are incredibly hard to get just about everywhere these days, so you'd have to be damn near the bottom of your class to have all Cs. That said, top of your class at a tier 4 school is probably not going to get you as far as median at a top school.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby keg411 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:54 pm

The rankings have existed long before USNWR. Even though they are massively flawed, they aren't going away any time soon.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby ihp12 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:14 pm

keg411 wrote:The rankings have existed long before USNWR. Even though they are massively flawed, they aren't going away any time soon.


If there was a nuclear war, there'd be nothing left but cock roaches and USNWR rankings.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Emma1 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:16 pm

A law school's reputation is much more than 1 year inclusion in the rankings. GULC has had a great reputation for a long time. Most attorneys dont even know the specific rankings of the schools, just general reputation. Georgetown's reputation hasn't changed because they included Texas in the 14th ranking. US News trend is to include many schools in the same ranking. Law schools are either very close to each other in the criteria that that is used or US News etc. has no backbone!

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby FuManChusco » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:19 pm

Emma1 wrote:A law school's reputation is much more than 1 year inclusion in the rankings. GULC has had a great reputation for a long time. Most attorneys dont even know the specific rankings of the schools, just general reputation. Georgetown's reputation hasn't changed because they included Texas in the 14th ranking. US News trend is to include many schools in the same ranking. Law schools are either very close to each other in the criteria that that is used or US News etc. has no backbone!


hmmm, I think I saw this same exact post in another thread. sounds like a butthurt GTown student.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Emma1 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:23 pm

FuManChusco wrote:
Emma1 wrote:A law school's reputation is much more than 1 year inclusion in the rankings. GULC has had a great reputation for a long time. Most attorneys dont even know the specific rankings of the schools, just general reputation. Georgetown's reputation hasn't changed because they included Texas in the 14th ranking. US News trend is to include many schools in the same ranking. Law schools are either very close to each other in the criteria that that is used or US News etc. has no backbone!


hmmm, I think I saw this same exact post in another thread. sounds like a butthurt GTown student.


Sorry, I'm not a GTown student but think it is a great school

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby FuManChusco » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:26 pm

Emma1 wrote:
FuManChusco wrote:
Emma1 wrote:A law school's reputation is much more than 1 year inclusion in the rankings. GULC has had a great reputation for a long time. Most attorneys dont even know the specific rankings of the schools, just general reputation. Georgetown's reputation hasn't changed because they included Texas in the 14th ranking. US News trend is to include many schools in the same ranking. Law schools are either very close to each other in the criteria that that is used or US News etc. has no backbone!


hmmm, I think I saw this same exact post in another thread. sounds like a butthurt GTown student.


Sorry, I'm not a GTown student but think it is a great school


nice try, Emma Coleman Jordan

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Emma1 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:35 pm

FuManChusco wrote:
Emma1 wrote:
FuManChusco wrote:
Emma1 wrote:A law school's reputation is much more than 1 year inclusion in the rankings. GULC has had a great reputation for a long time. Most attorneys dont even know the specific rankings of the schools, just general reputation. Georgetown's reputation hasn't changed because they included Texas in the 14th ranking. US News trend is to include many schools in the same ranking. Law schools are either very close to each other in the criteria that that is used or US News etc. has no backbone!


hmmm, I think I saw this same exact post in another thread. sounds like a butthurt GTown student.


Sorry, I'm not a GTown student but think it is a great school


nice try, Emma Coleman Jordan


LOL so funny! Not faculty either ( I can google too) or affilated with GULC but I am flattered that you would think so.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby chup » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:44 pm

ihp12 wrote:
keg411 wrote:The rankings have existed long before USNWR. Even though they are massively flawed, they aren't going away any time soon.


If there was a nuclear war, there'd be nothing left but cock roaches and USNWR rankings.

And then USNews would rank the cockroaches.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby FuManChusco » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:46 pm

chup wrote:
ihp12 wrote:
keg411 wrote:The rankings have existed long before USNWR. Even though they are massively flawed, they aren't going away any time soon.


If there was a nuclear war, there'd be nothing left but cock roaches and USNWR rankings.

And then USNews would rank the cockroaches.


brilliant

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby fatduck » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:56 pm

Emma1 wrote:
FuManChusco wrote:
Emma1 wrote:
FuManChusco wrote:
hmmm, I think I saw this same exact post in another thread. sounds like a butthurt GTown student.


Sorry, I'm not a GTown student but think it is a great school


nice try, Emma Coleman Jordan


LOL so funny! Not faculty either ( I can google too) or affilated with GULC but I am flattered that you would think so.

IB name change

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby 1234543523 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:10 pm

chup wrote:
ihp12 wrote:
keg411 wrote:The rankings have existed long before USNWR. Even though they are massively flawed, they aren't going away any time soon.


If there was a nuclear war, there'd be nothing left but cock roaches and USNWR rankings.

And then USNews would rank the cockroaches.


But they already rank law firms.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby chup » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:21 pm

f7 wrote:
chup wrote:
ihp12 wrote:
keg411 wrote:The rankings have existed long before USNWR. Even though they are massively flawed, they aren't going away any time soon.


If there was a nuclear war, there'd be nothing left but cock roaches and USNWR rankings.

And then USNews would rank the cockroaches.


But they already rank law firms.

http://www.hiyoooo.com/

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Postby fish52 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:13 pm

Non-Chalant1 wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
Non-Chalant1 wrote:I can see how they would rank wisconsin that high. It's a premier research university and it has a lot more departments/schools than Duke. It has quality and quantity. These rankings aren't just undergrad or anything like that. But if Wisconsin's up there. I'd be curious to see where Berkeley, Michigan and UVA are sitting.

Follow the link?

Yeah I know I'm being a bum and I was watching basketball. That's crazy though. Berkeley at number 4? UCLA at 12 and Michigan at 13. That's crazy.

How is this surprising? Berkeley is ranked #2 by ARWU (the authority on world rankings); UCLA is #13 and Michigan is #22. If anything, Berkeley got shafted in the Times rankings haha

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Postby The Real Jack McCoy » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:31 pm



This link is pure win.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby General Tso » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:57 pm

why are the mods so concerned with LSAT copyright infringement, but disregard all the posting of paid data in this thread? in fact, they have seemed to encourage it.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby birdlaw117 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:00 pm

General Tso wrote:why are the mods so concerned with LSAT copyright infringement, but disregard all the posting of paid data in this thread? in fact, they have seemed to encourage it.

I was wondering the same thing. Particularly the posting of "premium" data.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby fatduck » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:07 pm

birdlaw117 wrote:
General Tso wrote:why are the mods so concerned with LSAT copyright infringement, but disregard all the posting of paid data in this thread? in fact, they have seemed to encourage it.

I was wondering the same thing. Particularly the posting of "premium" data.

because LSAC sends them angry letters, and us news doesn't?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby General Tso » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:13 pm

fatduck wrote:
birdlaw117 wrote:
General Tso wrote:why are the mods so concerned with LSAT copyright infringement, but disregard all the posting of paid data in this thread? in fact, they have seemed to encourage it.

I was wondering the same thing. Particularly the posting of "premium" data.

because LSAC sends them angry letters, and us news doesn't?


perhaps my email to Bob Morse will change that.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby birdlaw117 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:15 pm

fatduck wrote:
birdlaw117 wrote:
General Tso wrote:why are the mods so concerned with LSAT copyright infringement, but disregard all the posting of paid data in this thread? in fact, they have seemed to encourage it.

I was wondering the same thing. Particularly the posting of "premium" data.

because LSAC sends them angry letters, and us news doesn't?

I definitely don't care. It's mostly just a curiosity. I'm all about having access to info without paying for it.

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Postby 1234543523 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:22 pm

General Tso wrote:
fatduck wrote:
birdlaw117 wrote:
General Tso wrote:why are the mods so concerned with LSAT copyright infringement, but disregard all the posting of paid data in this thread? in fact, they have seemed to encourage it.

I was wondering the same thing. Particularly the posting of "premium" data.

because LSAC sends them angry letters, and us news doesn't?


perhaps my email to Bob Morse will change that.

You mad brother?
General Tso wrote:
FuManChusco wrote:
General Tso wrote:Which of the USNWR criteria has changed at Davis over those three years? Answer: none of them, except employment and the "secret" criteria that doesn't get published. That's what makes people suspicious of its rapid ascent.

The only criteria which really matter are student quality and peer and practitioner reputations. And in those areas Davis is no better than most schools ranked down into the 30s and 40s.


you are so bitter.


Not really..I don't give a crap anymore. I chose the wrong school to attend, but it's not Davis that I should have chosen. It'd help the discussion if you focused your attention on the schools we are debating instead of on me.

General Tso wrote:
Borhas wrote:
General Tso wrote:I'm actually with TLS poster "SBL" on this one. Unless you have a strong reason to be in SF, you should probably attend Davis. Hastings is something of a sinking ship.


god you're a wuss


if you have options and nothing to tie you to SF, why would you choose the lower ranked school? the difference in ranking (and probably employment prospects) between Hastings and Pepperdine/Loyola/USD seems to be shrinking as well. why pay all the extra money to attend Hastings? I wish I had attended USD. I don't need a high ranking school or a highly paid job to stroke my ego..I just need to feel like I made a smart financial decision in the school I chose to attend.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby General Tso » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:25 pm

what are you implying?

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Postby 1234543523 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:27 pm

General Tso wrote:what are you implying?

That you mad.

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Postby beachbum » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:27 pm

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Postby General Tso » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:27 pm

f7 wrote:
General Tso wrote:what are you implying?

That you mad.


about arbitrary mods and breaking the law? yep!




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