2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:27 am

stratocophic wrote:
chup wrote:LOL, "trending":

"Percent employed in all judicial clerkships"

Notre Dame: 15.1%
Boston College: 8.2%
Indiana: 7.5%
Illinois: 6.7%
WUSTL: 4.0%

"Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge"

Notre Dame: 7.6%
Indiana: 4.7%
Boston College: 4.3%
Illinois: 4.2%
WUSTL: 3.0%
WUSTL has more a larger student body than all 4 of the other schools, and there are a finite number of fed and Art III clerkships to go around. You do the math.

I want you to think for a second about why that doesn't matter.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby FuManChusco » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:27 am

General Tso wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Its not looking good for Emory...

Rank School % Employed at Graduation (c/o 09) % Employed at 9 months (c/o 09)


#23 University of California--Davis

#23 University of Illinois--Urbana-Champaign

#23 University of Notre Dame 83.80% 93.40%

#27 Boston College 79.20% 94.30%

#27 College of William and Mary (Marshall-Wythe) 84.30% 93.70%

#27 University of Iowa

#30 Emory University 65.10% 87.10%

#30 Fordham University 79.40% 91.50%


What is up with Davis and others' missing data?


Apparently Davis just submitted a photo of SBL's face in lieu of employment data.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby 09042014 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:28 am

Shit, I gotta start my DUKE transfer app.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby chup » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:29 am

stratocophic wrote:
chup wrote:LOL, "trending":

"Percent employed in all judicial clerkships"

Notre Dame: 15.1%
Boston College: 8.2%
Indiana: 7.5%
Illinois: 6.7%
WUSTL: 4.0%

"Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge"

Notre Dame: 7.6%
Indiana: 4.7%
Boston College: 4.3%
Illinois: 4.2%
WUSTL: 3.0%
WUSTL has more a larger student body than all 4 of the other schools, and there are a finite number of fed and Art III clerkships to go around. You do the math.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby General Tso » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:29 am

rman1201 wrote:
General Tso wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Its not looking good for Emory...

Rank School % Employed at Graduation (c/o 09) % Employed at 9 months (c/o 09)


#23 University of California--Davis

#23 University of Illinois--Urbana-Champaign

#23 University of Notre Dame 83.80% 93.40%

#27 Boston College 79.20% 94.30%

#27 College of William and Mary (Marshall-Wythe) 84.30% 93.70%

#27 University of Iowa

#30 Emory University 65.10% 87.10%

#30 Fordham University 79.40% 91.50%


What is up with Davis and others' missing data?


This is from a spreadsheet I started making, just with schools I care about atm


ah okay...can you fill in when you get time?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby chup » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:29 am

JusticeHarlan wrote:
chup wrote:"Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge"

Is that data for class of '09?

'08

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby rman1201 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:30 am

Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby AreJay711 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:31 am

rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.

Meaning if you weren't employed at graduation you are fucked even more than you would be at other schools.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby 09042014 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:31 am

rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.


Even a part time mc donalds job counts. That category is fucking useless.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby JusticeHarlan » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:32 am

chup wrote:
JusticeHarlan wrote:
chup wrote:"Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge"

Is that data for class of '09?

'08

Ah, thanks.

So for those with the premium (tm) subscriptions, were there '09 clerking data?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Blindmelon » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:32 am

rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.


All the stats are manipulatable, except basically the GPA/LSAT. US News is a crock of shit.

For the sheer lol factor, anyone notice Vanillanova's rank?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby JusticeHarlan » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:34 am

Blindmelon wrote:For the sheer lol factor, anyone notice Vanillanova's rank?

84, drop of 17

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby rman1201 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:34 am

JusticeHarlan wrote:
chup wrote:
JusticeHarlan wrote:
chup wrote:"Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge"

Is that data for class of '09?

'08

Ah, thanks.

So for those with the premium (tm) subscriptions, were there '09 clerking data?


No. The 09 data is VERY limited.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby stratocophic » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:34 am

chup wrote:
stratocophic wrote:
chup wrote:LOL, "trending":

"Percent employed in all judicial clerkships"

Notre Dame: 15.1%
Boston College: 8.2%
Indiana: 7.5%
Illinois: 6.7%
WUSTL: 4.0%

"Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge"

Notre Dame: 7.6%
Indiana: 4.7%
Boston College: 4.3%
Illinois: 4.2%
WUSTL: 3.0%
WUSTL has more a larger student body than all 4 of the other schools, and there are a finite number of fed and Art III clerkships to go around. You do the math.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Why, praytell, would judges hire more WUSTLers just because HORDES of unemployed WUSTL grads descend upon them? I don't think more WUSTLers are going to get more (numerically, not percentage-wise) clerkships from grads of other schools just because WUSTL has 5 or 6 more people in the top 10%. WUSTL used to be much smaller - the number of grads isn't proportional to the number of alumni out there. I'm not trolling for the school, I'm just telling you that I don't think that it's solely because of the TTT effect.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby General Tso » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:34 am

rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.


dude I knew they were doing that shit. last year they claimed 98% at graduation when that was really their 9 month rate. first, what are the odds that a mediocre school like Davis can place THAT well (~20% better than their 2003-2007 placement rates) in this bad economy? second, what are odds that the exact same set of students that are employed at graduation are the same set that is employed 9 mos. out?

shenanigans

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby FuManChusco » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:35 am

Desert Fox wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.


Even a part time mc donalds job counts. That category is fucking useless.


true, unless you go to Emory, in which case you should immediately drop out, retake, and reapply.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Hannibal » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:36 am

General Tso wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.

mediocre school


Elitism Alert

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Blindmelon » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:37 am

Hannibal wrote:
General Tso wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.

mediocre school


Elitism Alert


18-40 is pretty fungible. Each year there will be "upsets" but really, same shit, different year.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby chup » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:38 am

Hannibal wrote:
General Tso wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.

mediocre school


Elitism Alert

Hey man we can't all be BIGTENDERLOINLAW secure like Hastings grads.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby thexfactor » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:39 am

eddieg803 wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Its not looking good for Emory...

Rank School % Employed at Graduation (c/o 09) % Employed at 9 months (c/o 09)

#30 Emory University 65.10% 87.10%


this is the part where i seriously consider transferring back home to state school. am i really paying $40k/yr for 65% employment rate? and i love how all year the deans have been talking about how great things are looking, how emory is a mover & a shaker, blah blah blah. but i mean come on... 65%...


65% is pretty damn bad.
It s so bad out there that they couldn't pull any "magic tricks" to boost up their numbers.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby 20160810 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:43 am

General Tso wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.


dude I knew they were doing that shit. last year they claimed 98% at graduation when that was really their 9 month rate. first, what are the odds that a mediocre school like Davis can place THAT well (~20% better than their 2003-2007 placement rates) in this bad economy? second, what are odds that the exact same set of students that are employed at graduation are the same set that is employed 9 mos. out?

shenanigans

It's good enough for USNews, but TLS poster General Tso has a hunch. The same hunch he gets every year when his school gets beat in a relatively meaningless ranking game. I guess this closes the book on that mystery. :roll:

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby 09042014 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:44 am

SBL wrote:
General Tso wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Davis is 95.8% at graduation and 95.8% 9 months out. It outperformed its rank pretty well in that aspect.


dude I knew they were doing that shit. last year they claimed 98% at graduation when that was really their 9 month rate. first, what are the odds that a mediocre school like Davis can place THAT well (~20% better than their 2003-2007 placement rates) in this bad economy? second, what are odds that the exact same set of students that are employed at graduation are the same set that is employed 9 mos. out?

shenanigans

It's good enough for USNews, but TLS poster General Tso has a hunch. The same hunch he gets every year when his school gets beat in a relatively meaningless ranking game. I guess this closes the book on that mystery. :roll:


It's probably bullshit, but then again all schools are.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby doinmybest » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:46 am

thexfactor wrote:
eddieg803 wrote:
rman1201 wrote:Its not looking good for Emory...

Rank School % Employed at Graduation (c/o 09) % Employed at 9 months (c/o 09)

#30 Emory University 65.10% 87.10%


this is the part where i seriously consider transferring back home to state school. am i really paying $40k/yr for 65% employment rate? and i love how all year the deans have been talking about how great things are looking, how emory is a mover & a shaker, blah blah blah. but i mean come on... 65%...


65% is pretty damn bad.
It s so bad out there that they couldn't pull any "magic tricks" to boost up their numbers.


+1 Honestly, someone was asleep at the wheel at that school.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby doinmybest » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:48 am

Side note: Lucky #7 bitches!!

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Bildungsroman » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:49 am

I vote we keep calling it the T14 since I got into Texas.




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