Just for fun - your mini tiers

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Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby chopswithafist » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:16 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the conventional wisdom on here it is:

HYS
CCN
MVP
DNCG
(with UCB being the wildcard somewhere in the middle of those mini tiers).
UVandT
Rest of top twenty


Just for fun, and not even necessarily disputing the rankings, where are your mini tiers in the top 20? and why?


here are mine:

YS
HCC (are things really different for a harvard grad and a chicago grad?)
NMVP
BND
GCUVandT
rest of top twenty

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby 2014 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:32 am

Y
SH
CC
N
PBMV
D
NCG

That's how I see it haha
After T14 there is a clump until you get to WUSTL which is a stand alone, followed by the Boston schools probably in my opinion. Like everyone else though I consider 20-35 all about equal.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:33 am

Sigh, egregious trolling.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby PDaddy » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:08 am

1. Harvard

2. Everybody else

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby chopswithafist » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:29 am

bk1 wrote:Sigh, egregious trolling.


By who? I just thought it'd be interesting/was bored.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:51 am

How can anybody in their right mind think that any good will come of this.

Unless you are backing this up with hard data like OCI results all you are doing is throwing around conjecture. Posts like these will just attract people who want to argue and defend school X or attack school Y. It gets boring and repetitive.

But hey, if it's fun for you then go batshit crazy for all I care.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:39 pm

Alternate rankings can be helpful for specific purposes such as federal clerkship placements, large law firm placement, section class size, etc. when based on verifiable data, but are not helpful when simply based on one's opinion of prestige.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby IAFG » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:46 pm

2014 wrote:Y
SH
CC
N
PBMV
D
NCG

That's how I see it haha
After T14 there is a clump until you get to WUSTL which is a stand alone, followed by the Boston schools probably in my opinion. Like everyone else though I consider 20-35 all about equal.

Offensively terrible

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby 2014 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:05 pm

IAFG wrote:
2014 wrote:Y
SH
CC
N
PBMV
D
NCG

That's how I see it haha
After T14 there is a clump until you get to WUSTL which is a stand alone, followed by the Boston schools probably in my opinion. Like everyone else though I consider 20-35 all about equal.

Offensively terrible

On what grounds?

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby sundance95 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:06 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Alternate rankings can be helpful for specific purposes such as federal clerkship placements, large law firm placement, section class size, etc. when based on verifiable data, but are not helpful when simply based on one's opinion of prestige.


Okay, to turn this to more objective criteria then, what is the generally accepted ranking of the T14 for Article III clerkships?

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby IAFG » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:08 pm

2014 wrote:On what grounds?

Duke exceptionalism, Berkeley being above any T14 except maybe GULC, UChi being above NYU but equal w CLS...

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:17 pm

sundance95 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Alternate rankings can be helpful for specific purposes such as federal clerkship placements, large law firm placement, section class size, etc. when based on verifiable data, but are not helpful when simply based on one's opinion of prestige.


Okay, to turn this to more objective criteria then, what is the generally accepted ranking of the T14 for Article III clerkships?


Y
Everybody else

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby 09042014 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:19 pm

YHS
CCN
MVPBDNC
Gtown, Tex, Vandy, UCLA, USC
TTT

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby rayiner » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:23 pm

In terms of employment, which is the only thing that matters:

YS
H
CN
C
VPDN
BMCG

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:24 pm

rayiner wrote:In terms of employment, which is the only thing that matters:

YS
H
CN
C
VPDN
BMCG


zomg which C is which C?!

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby 2014 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:45 pm

IAFG wrote:
2014 wrote:On what grounds?

Duke exceptionalism, Berkeley being above any T14 except maybe GULC, UChi being above NYU but equal w CLS...

It's all opinion obviously but Berkeley is where it is because I left them in their USNWR ranking order. Duke just strikes me as being above Northwestern, don't know why, and UChi could probably be demoted to even with NYU if you want.

It was for fun, I don't really care.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby beachbum » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:53 pm

Desert Fox wrote:YHS
CCN
MVPBDNC
Gtown, Tex, Vandy, UCLA, USC
TTT


This.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby rayiner » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:14 pm

bk1 wrote:
rayiner wrote:In terms of employment, which is the only thing that matters:

YS
H
CN
C
VPDN
BMCG


zomg which C is which C?!


Columbia > Chicago.

ITE, what's really mattering is schools having pipelines into big firms. Schools that send 1-2 graduates here and there like Michigan and Chicago are suffering (relative to their overall rank) as compared to schools that send tons of grads each year into specific firms.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:15 pm

rayiner wrote:Columbia > Chicago.

ITE, what's really mattering is schools having pipelines into big firms. Schools that send 1-2 graduates here and there like Michigan and Chicago are suffering (relative to their overall rank) as compared to schools that send tons of grads each year into specific firms.


I was kidding about the C's. :P

That is interesting as a reason why certain schools are suffering more than others ITE.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby IAFG » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:17 pm

rayiner wrote:
Columbia > Chicago.

ITE, what's really mattering is schools having pipelines into big firms. Schools that send 1-2 graduates here and there like Michigan and Chicago are suffering (relative to their overall rank) as compared to schools that send tons of grads each year into specific firms.

this tar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punching cat tar

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby im_blue » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:01 pm

YHS
CCN
MVPDN
B
C
G

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby prezidentv8 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:02 pm

2014 wrote:Duke just strikes me as being above Northwestern, don't know why, and UChi could probably be demoted to even with NYU if you want. FREAKING AWESOME.


FTFY

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby Tsispilos » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:08 pm

these are the getting-laid tiers within the T14 (assuming target audience is average college graduate):

harvard





yale, stanford









columbia, cornell (rest of the ivies)

penn (nobody's really sure whether it's an ivy or a state school)




georgetown (it seems more frequently mentioned in law related movies than any other non-Harvard law school)

NYU (if it's in NYC it must be really cool)

duke (assuming you're not a lacrosse player)








northwestern






all the ones that begin with "university of," and aren't ivies.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:10 pm

Susan Estrich wrote that she thinks Duke is over-rated as a law school. Leitner places Duke at number 11 (same as USNews) in his top faculty rankings which are listed below:

1) Yale
2) Harvard
3) Chicago
4) Stanford
5) NYU
6) Columbia
7) UCal-Berkeley
8) Northwestern

9) UC-Irvine
10) Vanderbilt
11) Cornell
11) Duke
11) Michigan
14) Penn
15) UCLA
16) Virginia
17) Texas
18) GWU
18) Minnesota
20) Georgtown

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby prezidentv8 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:21 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:9) UC-Irvine


Wow I knew Irvine found some solid faculty, but...wow.




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