UGA (In-state) vs. Vandy (Sticker) Forum
- TheBigMediocre
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UGA (In-state) vs. Vandy (Sticker)
Here is the deal: I'm currently on Vanderbilt's waitlist, but I've been told that they're asking for a fairly quick turnaround so I would like to put this out there and get my information collected prior to the day that I get the call, if I ever do. I talked to Christina Williams and she said that all scholarship money is currently tied up so expect to be paying sticker.
I applied with a 3.29/(164/170) . Two near-perfect semesters (and a couple of A+s) and I have a ~3.39 now. I'll be sitting for the CPA as well.
Career goals:
I want to practice in the Southeast. There is no part of me that wants to practice anywhere else. Ideally, Atlanta or Charleston (SC). I'd like the opportunity at biglaw for a few years to cut my teeth, but don't see myself staying there long-term. Interested in transactional work.
Personal things that should be taken into consideration:
I am fairly debt-averse but I'm willing to take on debt if the benefit is great enough. My girlfriend will be working in Atlanta (Yea yea, I know). I visited both schools and loved them both. I enjoy both towns (Athens edging out Nashville only because I like the college town atmosphere).
Any insight would be appreciated.
I applied with a 3.29/(164/170) . Two near-perfect semesters (and a couple of A+s) and I have a ~3.39 now. I'll be sitting for the CPA as well.
Career goals:
I want to practice in the Southeast. There is no part of me that wants to practice anywhere else. Ideally, Atlanta or Charleston (SC). I'd like the opportunity at biglaw for a few years to cut my teeth, but don't see myself staying there long-term. Interested in transactional work.
Personal things that should be taken into consideration:
I am fairly debt-averse but I'm willing to take on debt if the benefit is great enough. My girlfriend will be working in Atlanta (Yea yea, I know). I visited both schools and loved them both. I enjoy both towns (Athens edging out Nashville only because I like the college town atmosphere).
Any insight would be appreciated.
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Re: UGA (In-state) vs. Vandy (Sticker)
Emory $$?
- TheBigMediocre
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Emory accepted me, no $$. I didn't get cash because they said I didn't convey a propensity to attend or impact the community in my application. (Read: I didn't fellate them enough in my PS.)rad law wrote:Emory $$?
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Vandy isn't worth sticker, so I say go to UGA. However, I really really really wish Emory with $$ was an option here.
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Trust me, me too. As much as I got the vibe that it was a bunch of discontent carpetbaggers, Emory would have been the happy medium for me if they had just given me some money.rad law wrote:Vandy isn't worth sticker, so I say go to UGA. However, I really really really wish Emory with $$ was an option here.
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Re: UGA (In-state) vs. Vandy (Sticker)
If I had to choose between Emory and UGA for the same price, I would choose UGA. I get the feeling that everyone at Emory wishes they were somewhere else. But onto your other question, I gotta go with UGA. They place remarkably well in Atlanta and ITE, I just can't justify paying sticker anywhere that isn't at least T14. UGA is a bargain and great school for what you want.TheBigMediocre wrote:Trust me, me too. As much as I got the vibe that it was a bunch of discontent carpetbaggers, Emory would have been the happy medium for me if they had just given me some money.rad law wrote:Vandy isn't worth sticker, so I say go to UGA. However, I really really really wish Emory with $$ was an option here.
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Not sure about law school, but this is the best description of Emory UG.TheBigMediocre wrote: As much as I got the vibe that it was a bunch of discontent carpetbaggers,
Any chance reapplying is an option?
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Probably not. I wouldn't be opposed because I think I could ED someplace next year with my higher GPA and a little work experience, but I have no job lined up in the mean time and this is an awkward 2-year window where I'm able to gain some financial support from my parents.rad law wrote:Not sure about law school, but this is the best description of Emory UG.TheBigMediocre wrote: As much as I got the vibe that it was a bunch of discontent carpetbaggers,
Any chance reapplying is an option?
Also, I was inspired to make this t-shirt quickly:
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Haha great shirt.
I say go to UGA, but just keep in mind it's gonna be exceedingly hard to land biglaw.
I say go to UGA, but just keep in mind it's gonna be exceedingly hard to land biglaw.
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Tight poll!! You know I have no good opinion on this because I have the same issues (I voted UGA because that's where I'm leaning) ... just interested to see what people have to say.
Also - LOL at you making t-shirts for everything!!
Edit: To clarify, leaning UGA because of COST which I guess is the only real factor to consider here. Knowing you like me have a fairly pronounced debt aversion we're looking at <100k vs. >200k in debt here. Although I suppose the argument could be made that chances for Big Law (since that's what we're looking at) from Vandy are > than double those from UGA so the cost may in fact be worth it. Again, I have nothing valuable to contribute other than my own internal battle.
Also - LOL at you making t-shirts for everything!!
Edit: To clarify, leaning UGA because of COST which I guess is the only real factor to consider here. Knowing you like me have a fairly pronounced debt aversion we're looking at <100k vs. >200k in debt here. Although I suppose the argument could be made that chances for Big Law (since that's what we're looking at) from Vandy are > than double those from UGA so the cost may in fact be worth it. Again, I have nothing valuable to contribute other than my own internal battle.
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I am the male equivalent of a sorority's spirit committee.missvik218 wrote:
Also - LOL at you making t-shirts for everything!!
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pinkzeppelin wrote:If I had to choose between Emory and UGA for the same price, I would choose UGA. I get the feeling that everyone at Emory wishes they were somewhere else. But onto your other question, I gotta go with UGA. They place remarkably well in Atlanta and ITE, I just can't justify paying sticker anywhere that isn't at least T14. UGA is a bargain and great school for what you want.TheBigMediocre wrote:Trust me, me too. As much as I got the vibe that it was a bunch of discontent carpetbaggers, Emory would have been the happy medium for me if they had just given me some money.rad law wrote:Vandy isn't worth sticker, so I say go to UGA. However, I really really really wish Emory with $$ was an option here.
It's not just you. I've heard from a variety of sources that in many, many firms in the South Emory grads are held in the exact same regard. In the same way Vanderbilt has a reputation for producing "nice" lawyers, Emory has a reputation for producing discontented ones who wish they were at a better school. Not to say everyone there feels or acts that way (or even that anyone does), but some employers certainly do, and that's all that matters.
If you never want to leave Georgia, go to UGA. It's not like you live in PA and are choosing between a mediocre regional school and a national one - UGA is an excellent regional school (one of the best) and places great in Atlanta, so as long as you can give up on the chances of going to Charleston right after graduation.
full disclosure: going to Vandy in the fall
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Minor thread hijack, but if you want the counterargument to the UGA=Emory argument, pm a guy named rando, who makes a persuasive case for Emory>UGA, even in ATL.sdv wrote: It's not just you. I've heard from a variety of sources that in many, many firms in the South Emory grads are held in the exact same regard. In the same way Vanderbilt has a reputation for producing "nice" lawyers, Emory has a reputation for producing discontented ones who wish they were at a better school. Not to say everyone there feels or acts that way (or even that anyone does), but some employers certainly do, and that's all that matters.
If you never want to leave Georgia, go to UGA. It's not like you live in PA and are choosing between a mediocre regional school and a national one - UGA is an excellent regional school (one of the best) and places great in Atlanta, so as long as you can give up on the chances of going to Charleston right after graduation.
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Might be possible to get back to Charleston with Charleston connections.
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- missvik218
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Also, people like to talk about UGA's GREAT placement in ATL ... tbf their (I think 2009) nlj250 number was 15.8% ... 15.8% is not great by anyone's standards. When looking UGA it's definitely worth considering (and operating under the assumption) that you will not likely land a big law gig anywhere without connections.rad law wrote: Minor thread hijack, but if you want the counterargument to the UGA=Emory argument, pm a guy named rando, who makes a persuasive case for Emory>UGA, even in ATL.
Might be possible to get back to Charleston with Charleston connections.
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For the Charleston connections issue. Family has been here for generations (although not the south of broad crowd), have multiple contacts that I hope would be enough to land me a job.
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You'd consider paying sticker at GULC and probably Cornell but not Vanderbilt? That seems silly.pinkzeppelin wrote:I just can't justify paying sticker anywhere that isn't at least T14.
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TITCR. And that class did OCI in 2007 near the height of the boom. I love UGA too, but "GREAT PLACEMENT!!!11!111" is an overstatement.missvik218 wrote:Also, people like to talk about UGA's GREAT placement in ATL ... tbf their (I think 2009) nlj250 number was 15.8% ... 15.8% is not great by anyone's standards. When looking UGA it's definitely worth considering (and operating under the assumption) that you will not likely land a big law gig anywhere without connections.rad law wrote: Minor thread hijack, but if you want the counterargument to the UGA=Emory argument, pm a guy named rando, who makes a persuasive case for Emory>UGA, even in ATL.
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- missvik218
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Very silly indeed; when considering USC, UCLA, UT, Vandy ... T14 = arbitrary. For the South, which is the location under consideration in this case, I'd pay sticker at Vandy before I'd pay it at Cornell; FWIW.rad law wrote:You'd consider paying sticker at GULC and probably Cornell but not Vanderbilt? That seems silly.pinkzeppelin wrote:I just can't justify paying sticker anywhere that isn't at least T14.
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Just so you know, most (outside of King and Spalding, Alston, Jones Day, and Paul Hastings) Atlanta firms are not in the NLJ250. When you are talking about areas outside of NYC, DC, Chicago, and to a lesser extent Cali the NLJ250 numbers are not nearly as helpful.missvik218 wrote:Also, people like to talk about UGA's GREAT placement in ATL ... tbf their (I think 2009) nlj250 number was 15.8% ... 15.8% is not great by anyone's standards. When looking UGA it's definitely worth considering (and operating under the assumption) that you will not likely land a big law gig anywhere without connections.rad law wrote: Minor thread hijack, but if you want the counterargument to the UGA=Emory argument, pm a guy named rando, who makes a persuasive case for Emory>UGA, even in ATL.
Might be possible to get back to Charleston with Charleston connections.
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Yea, I think if I was deadset on biglaw I'd try to wait a year. But I'm also looking at other options like Deloitte in London since they hire attorneys for their International tax practice + CPA.rad law wrote:TITCR. And that class did OCI in 2007 near the height of the boom. I love UGA too, but "GREAT PLACEMENT!!!11!111" is an overstatement.missvik218 wrote:Also, people like to talk about UGA's GREAT placement in ATL ... tbf their (I think 2009) nlj250 number was 15.8% ... 15.8% is not great by anyone's standards. When looking UGA it's definitely worth considering (and operating under the assumption) that you will not likely land a big law gig anywhere without connections.rad law wrote: Minor thread hijack, but if you want the counterargument to the UGA=Emory argument, pm a guy named rando, who makes a persuasive case for Emory>UGA, even in ATL.
Might be possible to get back to Charleston with Charleston connections.
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Well, no. I just felt like using the general TLS lingo. T10 is more realistic.rad law wrote:You'd consider paying sticker at GULC and probably Cornell but not Vanderbilt? That seems silly.pinkzeppelin wrote:I just can't justify paying sticker anywhere that isn't at least T14.
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Admitted they're not as helpful. However, a bunch on NLJ250 firms have offices have offices in Atlanta (Greenberg Traurig, Holland and Knight, Jones Day and others), plus 8 NLJ250 firms are headquartered in ATL. Then again, if you're looking for market, not even Morris Manning at the caboose of the NLJ250 pays true market (they pay $100k). So if you were looking to make $110k-$125k, your chances are probably still gonna less than 15% ITE.Hiei wrote:Just so you know, most (outside of King and Spalding, Alston, Jones Day, and Paul Hastings) Atlanta firms are not in the NLJ250. When you are talking about areas outside of NYC, DC, Chicago, and to a lesser extent Cali the NLJ250 numbers are not nearly as helpful.missvik218 wrote:Also, people like to talk about UGA's GREAT placement in ATL ... tbf their (I think 2009) nlj250 number was 15.8% ... 15.8% is not great by anyone's standards. When looking UGA it's definitely worth considering (and operating under the assumption) that you will not likely land a big law gig anywhere without connections.rad law wrote: Minor thread hijack, but if you want the counterargument to the UGA=Emory argument, pm a guy named rando, who makes a persuasive case for Emory>UGA, even in ATL.
Might be possible to get back to Charleston with Charleston connections.
How many non-NLJ250 firms pay market for recent grads? Nor sure; it's hard to know. Probably not many. But the NLJ data is what I got.
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TheBigMediocre wrote:Probably not. I wouldn't be opposed because I think I could ED someplace next year with my higher GPA and a little work experience, but I have no job lined up in the mean time and this is an awkward 2-year window where I'm able to gain some financial support from my parents.rad law wrote:Not sure about law school, but this is the best description of Emory UG.TheBigMediocre wrote: As much as I got the vibe that it was a bunch of discontent carpetbaggers,
Any chance reapplying is an option?
Also, I was inspired to make this t-shirt quickly:
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Haha great design, come to UGA and sell those next year!
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tax attorney at a big4 = shit pay (but i guess any job is better than no job)TheBigMediocre wrote:Yea, I think if I was deadset on biglaw I'd try to wait a year. But I'm also looking at other options like Deloitte in London since they hire attorneys for their International tax practice + CPA.rad law wrote:TITCR. And that class did OCI in 2007 near the height of the boom. I love UGA too, but "GREAT PLACEMENT!!!11!111" is an overstatement.missvik218 wrote:Also, people like to talk about UGA's GREAT placement in ATL ... tbf their (I think 2009) nlj250 number was 15.8% ... 15.8% is not great by anyone's standards. When looking UGA it's definitely worth considering (and operating under the assumption) that you will not likely land a big law gig anywhere without connections.rad law wrote: Minor thread hijack, but if you want the counterargument to the UGA=Emory argument, pm a guy named rando, who makes a persuasive case for Emory>UGA, even in ATL.
Might be possible to get back to Charleston with Charleston connections.
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for reals? I'll admit I haven't done my research yet. I just knew it was something I wanted to look into eventually.f0bolous wrote: tax attorney at a big4 = shit pay (but i guess any job is better than no job)
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