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GPA 16/20, LSAT 178, International, non-URM, F
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:47 pm
by cheneeeerica
Hello,
I'm a foreign student in a French university. My average GPA is around 16/20, and my LSAT is 178. I'm going to apply in 2021 fall. I don't know what grade will LSAC give me. I would like to know what are my chances to get into T14 with scholarships : ) I feel very uncertain currently because I don't know how LSAC views French GPA and I don't have super strong softs.
Thank you all in advance for your help!
Re: GPA 16/20, LSAT 178, International, non-URM, F
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:34 am
by crazywafflez
Apply widely. I think they'll give you an above-average (good news, it won't really hold you back).
I'd apply to H on down and possibly apply to Vandy/UT/UCLA depending on where you want to practice (although, I'd be a bit weary of even these- you effectively need biglaw if you want a visa afterwards). I think you'll see some good things from G'town and some other schools in the T14. Also, H gives internationals some love as well, so make sure to apply broadly to basically every T14- your cycle (and scholarships) will be kinda unpredictable. I'd also email the schools asking for an application fee waiver. Your LSAT is by far your most important part of your application. Your GPA will effectively not count, and while I've heard H cares about Superior ratings, I haven't seen any concrete proof one way or the other and anecdotally, I have friends who have gotten into even S with not as great foreign grades but killer LSATs (whoever, they were a unicorn, so I wouldn't lean towards S). Best of luck and don't fret too much, you'll get into a lot of places and probs with some good offers.
Re: GPA 16/20, LSAT 178, International, non-URM, F
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:08 pm
by cheneeeerica
crazywafflez wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:34 am
Apply widely. I think they'll give you an above-average (good news, it won't really hold you back).
I'd apply to H on down and possibly apply to Vandy/UT/UCLA depending on where you want to practice (although, I'd be a bit weary of even these- you effectively need biglaw if you want a visa afterwards). I think you'll see some good things from G'town and some other schools in the T14. Also, H gives internationals some love as well, so make sure to apply broadly to basically every T14- your cycle (and scholarships) will be kinda unpredictable. I'd also email the schools asking for an application fee waiver. Your LSAT is by far your most important part of your application. Your GPA will effectively not count, and while I've heard H cares about Superior ratings, I haven't seen any concrete proof one way or the other and anecdotally, I have friends who have gotten into even S with not as great foreign grades but killer LSATs (whoever, they were a unicorn, so I wouldn't lean towards S). Best of luck and don't fret too much, you'll get into a lot of places and probs with some good offers.
Hi, thank you so much for your answer! I heard from others that 16+ in French unis can get me an S but I'm not sure about this so I'd better be cautious. Do you think that softs are very important? By the time I apply I will have two internships at courts and possibly one summer school in the field of law. I also write articles for some student magazines/thinktanks. I heard that because people with high LSAT scores increased a lot, softs have become more important than before, so I'm a bit worried because I don't have much time to improve my softs.
Re: GPA 16/20, LSAT 178, International, non-URM, F
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:58 pm
by crazywafflez
No clue if you'll get an above-average or superior- it ultimately won't really matter all that much. Softs are important at the margins (unless you are an URM or have just amazing softs like Rhodes Scholar or Olympic athlete). Your softs are fine- you won't be hurt or really helped by any. Your LSAT is far and away the most important component and you have a seriously impressive score. Don't fret too much, you are gonna get some good options. If you don't get a fantastic scholarship package to Gtown/comparable schools, I'd be shocked. I think waiting to apply in fall of 2021 is a smart move and you'll be in a great position to see how the chips fall. I hate to say folks are a lock on things but I cannot imagine CCN, or even H really, rejecting you (don't hold this as a mandate, I'm totally guessing). You are going to have a good to great cycle.
Re: GPA 16/20, LSAT 178, International, non-URM, F
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:00 am
by FrenchMomo
Hi! I Pm'd you! I'm French too
Re: GPA 16/20, LSAT 178, International, non-URM, F
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:30 pm
by ParkJiSung777
cheneeeerica wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:08 pm
crazywafflez wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:34 am
Apply widely. I think they'll give you an above-average (good news, it won't really hold you back).
I'd apply to H on down and possibly apply to Vandy/UT/UCLA depending on where you want to practice (although, I'd be a bit weary of even these- you effectively need biglaw if you want a visa afterwards). I think you'll see some good things from G'town and some other schools in the T14. Also, H gives internationals some love as well, so make sure to apply broadly to basically every T14- your cycle (and scholarships) will be kinda unpredictable. I'd also email the schools asking for an application fee waiver. Your LSAT is by far your most important part of your application. Your GPA will effectively not count, and while I've heard H cares about Superior ratings, I haven't seen any concrete proof one way or the other and anecdotally, I have friends who have gotten into even S with not as great foreign grades but killer LSATs (whoever, they were a unicorn, so I wouldn't lean towards S). Best of luck and don't fret too much, you'll get into a lot of places and probs with some good offers.
Hi, thank you so much for your answer! I heard from others that 16+ in French unis can get me an S but I'm not sure about this so I'd better be cautious. Do you think that softs are very important? By the time I apply I will have two internships at courts and possibly one summer school in the field of law. I also write articles for some student magazines/thinktanks. I heard that because people with high LSAT scores increased a lot, softs have become more important than before, so I'm a bit worried because I don't have much time to improve my softs.
Hey just wondering but what did your 16 turn out to be in terms of Above Average or Superior? I'm going to be graduating from Sciences Po Paris with with probably a 15.7 or 15.8 and I'm a bit worried with the Superior cutoff seemingly at 16, I might be a bit too short of it.
Re: GPA 16/20, LSAT 178, International, non-URM, F
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:05 pm
by crazywafflez
Don't worry about it too much. Even if you get an Above Average rather than an S it won't make a significant difference at all. The most important thing in your application will be your LSAT- focus on that and pump it up. I haven't heard of really any schools placing weight on international folks' transcripts- anecdotally, I think AA and S are both in the same boat and you just don't want an A. Yale may care, but don't worry too much and just pump out the rest of your application to be the best it can.
Re: GPA 16/20, LSAT 178, International, non-URM, F
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:21 pm
by cheneeeerica
ParkJiSung777 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:30 pm
cheneeeerica wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:08 pm
crazywafflez wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:34 am
Apply widely. I think they'll give you an above-average (good news, it won't really hold you back).
I'd apply to H on down and possibly apply to Vandy/UT/UCLA depending on where you want to practice (although, I'd be a bit weary of even these- you effectively need biglaw if you want a visa afterwards). I think you'll see some good things from G'town and some other schools in the T14. Also, H gives internationals some love as well, so make sure to apply broadly to basically every T14- your cycle (and scholarships) will be kinda unpredictable. I'd also email the schools asking for an application fee waiver. Your LSAT is by far your most important part of your application. Your GPA will effectively not count, and while I've heard H cares about Superior ratings, I haven't seen any concrete proof one way or the other and anecdotally, I have friends who have gotten into even S with not as great foreign grades but killer LSATs (whoever, they were a unicorn, so I wouldn't lean towards S). Best of luck and don't fret too much, you'll get into a lot of places and probs with some good offers.
Hi, thank you so much for your answer! I heard from others that 16+ in French unis can get me an S but I'm not sure about this so I'd better be cautious. Do you think that softs are very important? By the time I apply I will have two internships at courts and possibly one summer school in the field of law. I also write articles for some student magazines/thinktanks. I heard that because people with high LSAT scores increased a lot, softs have become more important than before, so I'm a bit worried because I don't have much time to improve my softs.
Hey just wondering but what did your 16 turn out to be in terms of Above Average or Superior? I'm going to be graduating from Sciences Po Paris with with probably a 15.7 or 15.8 and I'm a bit worried with the Superior cutoff seemingly at 16, I might be a bit too short of it.
Hi! I still haven't received my grading yet so I can't answer your question. I'm not sure whether a 15.8 will be counted as Superior or not, but the GPA grading will not affect your application that much. What's more important is your LSAT.