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Neil_Gorsuch wrote:I'm 167, 3.95. I just hit my third take - first was in September 2014 so I could still retake a fourth time - bu I'm wary about taking again even though in the days before the exam I was averaging 173 or so. I have great softs and work experience - domestic and international - along with a position as a fellow at a national security think-tank in D.C. in addition to my main job as a management consultant. I also did a pretty extensive undergrad thesis on Islamic Law in the Ottoman Empire as an additional academic cred.

What schools do I have a reasonable change at? I have thought about retaking and am confident I could improve my score to 170+ , but am nervous as to how a fourth take would be perceived. Any advice?

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:

curry1 wrote:

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:I'm 167, 3.95. I just hit my third take - first was in September 2014 so I could still retake a fourth time - bu I'm wary about taking again even though in the days before the exam I was averaging 173 or so. I have great softs and work experience - domestic and international - along with a position as a fellow at a national security think-tank in D.C. in addition to my main job as a management consultant. I also did a pretty extensive undergrad thesis on Islamic Law in the Ottoman Empire as an additional academic cred.

What schools do I have a reasonable change at? I have thought about retaking and am confident I could improve my score to 170+ , but am nervous as to how a fourth take would be perceived. Any advice?

you would have good odds at the lower t14, but out at T6 except maybe chicago. If you truly were PTing at 173, you would be doing a huge disservice to yourself not to retake (you can still apply and go with your 167 if the retake doesn't pan out). Even a 170 would have you in at CCN and very good chance at H. If you hit a 173 the sky is the limit with your gpa.

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Thanks! Just checking, but if I got 170 on fourth take, would it still be considered a proper 170 during apps time? Intellectually I understand this to be the case, but the spectre of fourth take has me a little spooked.

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:I'm 167, 3.95. I just hit my third take - first was in September 2014 so I could still retake a fourth time - bu I'm wary about taking again even though in the days before the exam I was averaging 173 or so. I have great softs and work experience - domestic and international (worked with President, Minister of Defense in a Baltic country in addition to some other work on Middle East) - along with a position as a fellow at a national security think-tank in D.C. in addition to my main job as a management consultant. I also did a pretty extensive undergrad thesis on Islamic Law in the Ottoman Empire as an additional academic cred.

What schools do I have a reasonable change at? I have thought about retaking and am confident I could improve my score to 170+ , but am nervous as to how a fourth take would be perceived. Any advice?

curry1 wrote:

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:I'm 167, 3.95. I just hit my third take - first was in September 2014 so I could still retake a fourth time - bu I'm wary about taking again even though in the days before the exam I was averaging 173 or so. I have great softs and work experience - domestic and international - along with a position as a fellow at a national security think-tank in D.C. in addition to my main job as a management consultant. I also did a pretty extensive undergrad thesis on Islamic Law in the Ottoman Empire as an additional academic cred.

What schools do I have a reasonable change at? I have thought about retaking and am confident I could improve my score to 170+ , but am nervous as to how a fourth take would be perceived. Any advice?

you would have good odds at the lower t14, but out at T6 except maybe chicago. If you truly were PTing at 173, you would be doing a huge disservice to yourself not to retake (you can still apply and go with your 167 if the retake doesn't pan out). Even a 170 would have you in at CCN and very good chance at H. If you hit a 173 the sky is the limit with your gpa.

http://mylsn.info/2713kt/

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:Before Harvard's recent announcement, I had been preparing to retake LSAT in June of this year. Does the announcement affect how I should be studying / my plan for applications later this year?

Rigo wrote:

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:Before Harvard's recent announcement, I had been preparing to retake LSAT in June of this year. Does the announcement affect how I should be studying / my plan for applications later this year?

It shouldn't.

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:

Rigo wrote:

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:Before Harvard's recent announcement, I had been preparing to retake LSAT in June of this year. Does the announcement affect how I should be studying / my plan for applications later this year?

It shouldn't.

Yeah, I think that's right. I'm just afraid the T-14 that they will follow Harvard's lead in the coming weeks / months.

Rigo wrote:

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:

Rigo wrote:

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:Before Harvard's recent announcement, I had been preparing to retake LSAT in June of this year. Does the announcement affect how I should be studying / my plan for applications later this year?

It shouldn't.

Yeah, I think that's right. I'm just afraid the T-14 that they will follow Harvard's lead in the coming weeks / months.

The problem is that if you have a reportable LSAT score you'll likely be judged by that metric.
Hard to say since the policy hadn't been enacted but I think that's the most reasonable prediction.

Joined4Knowledge wrote:Aren't you about to be on the Supreme Court? Why are you worried about this?

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:I'm 167, 3.95. I just hit my third take - first was in September 2014 so I could still retake a fourth time - bu I'm wary about taking again even though in the days before the exam I was averaging 173 or so. I have great softs and work experience - domestic and international (worked with President, Minister of Defense in a Baltic country in addition to some other work on Middle East) - along with a position as a fellow at a national security think-tank in D.C. in addition to my main job as a management consultant. I also did a pretty extensive undergrad thesis on Islamic Law in the Ottoman Empire as an additional academic cred.

What schools do I have a reasonable change at? I have thought about retaking and am confident I could improve my score to 170+ , but am nervous as to how a fourth take would be perceived. Any advice?

etramak wrote:

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:I'm 167, 3.95. I just hit my third take - first was in September 2014 so I could still retake a fourth time - bu I'm wary about taking again even though in the days before the exam I was averaging 173 or so. I have great softs and work experience - domestic and international (worked with President, Minister of Defense in a Baltic country in addition to some other work on Middle East) - along with a position as a fellow at a national security think-tank in D.C. in addition to my main job as a management consultant. I also did a pretty extensive undergrad thesis on Islamic Law in the Ottoman Empire as an additional academic cred.

What schools do I have a reasonable change at? I have thought about retaking and am confident I could improve my score to 170+ , but am nervous as to how a fourth take would be perceived. Any advice?

You do you Mr Gorsuch but with your GPA and experience not only would I consider taking time off to retake a fourth time,I'd also throw an application to the one year MPP programs at Oxbridge

Alexandros wrote:

etramak wrote:

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:I'm 167, 3.95. I just hit my third take - first was in September 2014 so I could still retake a fourth time - bu I'm wary about taking again even though in the days before the exam I was averaging 173 or so. I have great softs and work experience - domestic and international (worked with President, Minister of Defense in a Baltic country in addition to some other work on Middle East) - along with a position as a fellow at a national security think-tank in D.C. in addition to my main job as a management consultant. I also did a pretty extensive undergrad thesis on Islamic Law in the Ottoman Empire as an additional academic cred.

What schools do I have a reasonable change at? I have thought about retaking and am confident I could improve my score to 170+ , but am nervous as to how a fourth take would be perceived. Any advice?

You do you Mr Gorsuch but with your GPA and experience not only would I consider taking time off to retake a fourth time,I'd also throw an application to the one year MPP programs at Oxbridge

+1

170+ would give you much better outcomes. You have an excellent GPA and killer softs. I think you owe it to yourself. The benefit of a higher LSAT greatly outweighs whatever negative four takes would have.

katthegreat11 wrote:Just saying, I had very slightly better stats (168/3.99) and got into every T14 except Yale (didn't apply). I think what helped me was my background in science and "application story". So your super interesting softs, as long as you tie them into a cohesive story of why you want to be a lawyer (along with your PS, rec letters, Why X essays, etc.), should help you outperform your numbers. Still great that you're retaking since you were PT-ing higher, just don't give up hope if your new score isn't as high as you'd like it to be.