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It's hard to give any advice or even speculate without knowing two things:

1) Your LSAT score, and;

2) The reason you were suspended.

kellyfrost wrote:It's hard to give any advice or even speculate without knowing two things:

1) Your LSAT score, and;

2) The reason you were suspended.

This. (along with whether you're an underrepresented minority). If the reason for your suspension is benign enough, your cycle is going to look pretty much like anyone else's who shares your GPA/LSAT. But if it's anything that triggers character & fitness concerns, then who knows?

ScottRiqui wrote:

kellyfrost wrote:It's hard to give any advice or even speculate without knowing two things:

1) Your LSAT score, and;

2) The reason you were suspended.

This. (along with whether you're an underrepresented minority). If the reason for your suspension is benign enough, your cycle is going to look pretty much like anyone else's who shares your GPA/LSAT. But if it's anything that triggers character & fitness concerns, then who knows?

1) Assume something like a 176 or 178 on the LSAT. Basically what I'd like to know is - even with a completely stellar LSAT score, would I still be disqualified?

2) Edited for privacy concerns.

3) Traditional, not a URM.

Even with a 180, you are 99.99% out at YHS at a minimum. Probably CC too. There are too many candidates with better gpas and no sticky situations. Sorry bud, but selling fake ids is a bad look.

BlueClearSky wrote:

ScottRiqui wrote:

kellyfrost wrote:It's hard to give any advice or even speculate without knowing two things:

1) Your LSAT score, and;

2) The reason you were suspended.

This. (along with whether you're an underrepresented minority). If the reason for your suspension is benign enough, your cycle is going to look pretty much like anyone else's who shares your GPA/LSAT. But if it's anything that triggers character & fitness concerns, then who knows?

1) Assume something like a 176 or 178 on the LSAT. Basically what I'd like to know is - even with a completely stellar LSAT score, would I still be disqualified?

2) Ok, it was for selling fake IDs.

3) Traditional, not a URM.

You're not going to be "disqualified" outright, but it will weigh negatively on your application, to be sure.

Predictions/prognostications/guesses are worthless, though - just get the best possible LSAT score you can get, and apply everywhere. Don't just roll over without even applying - make them tell you "no".

It's good that you weren't actually charged and that you have a "redemption" story, but it's important to realize that for bar admissions things like selling fake IDs are often worse than violent crimes (because it involves dishonestly, fraud etc.). I don't think it will actually stop you from being barred somewhere, but it's important to be cognizant of it. Are you K-JD? If so, a few years of work experience will both help you applications (and OCI interviewing) as well as put a little more time in between your character and fitness and the ID stuff.

A suspension isn't a sine qua non for barrier to HYS. Obviously the gravity of the suspension will matter, but I can assure you there are students at each who have been suspended.

And, for fun, "very unique" is redundant

I don't think the suspension for simply selling fake ids is going to have a huge impact on your admissions decision. There are far worse things to do. Assuming you are being honest here, and all you did was "sell" the fake ids and you have no other blemishes on your record anywhere, you likely will be fine. Can't guarantee HYS, but
certainly a top school depending on your numbers.

Also, that's quite a lofty goal on the LSAT you have. Good luck with that.

MikeSpivey wrote:
And, for fun, "very unique" is redundant

I think a lot of people who are either good writers or think they are good writers, tend to over edit the writing of other people and take too much out of the writing.

In this scenario, especially in a casual "headline" the phrase very unique is not redundant. That is, however, just my opinion.

kellyfrost wrote:

MikeSpivey wrote:
And, for fun, "very unique" is redundant

I think a lot of people who are either good writers or think they are good writers, tend to over edit the writing of other people and take too much out of the writing.

In this scenario, especially in a casual "headline" the phrase very unique is not redundant. That is, however, just my opinion.

So what are the levels of "unique" in your opinion?

kellyfrost wrote:

MikeSpivey wrote:
And, for fun, "very unique" is redundant

I think a lot of people who are either good writers or think they are good writers, tend to over edit the writing of other people and take too much out of the writing.

In this scenario, especially in a casual "headline" the phrase very unique is not redundant. That is, however, just my opinion.

No, it's redundant. Whether it matters in this context is a matter of opinion.

OP, I can't answer your question, but I don't know if anyone can (except maybe someone like Mike Spivey if you engage his services). Crimes involving dishonesty do raise more eyebrows in the legal profession than something like a DUI, but like others have said, you weren't charged or convicted of anything. The longer time you can put between the suspension and your application, probably the better.

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Dcc617 wrote:

kellyfrost wrote:

MikeSpivey wrote:
And, for fun, "very unique" is redundant

I think a lot of people who are either good writers or think they are good writers, tend to over edit the writing of other people and take too much out of the writing.

In this scenario, especially in a casual "headline" the phrase very unique is not redundant. That is, however, just my opinion.

So what are the levels of "unique" in your opinion?

In my opinion? Unique, kinda unique / sorta unique, and very unique.

#idiot

Thoughts:

1. It may effect you, it's a fraud related issue, but as long as you disclose the suspension and the reason and have a good explanation and answer for it then you should be fine for C&F, and if your other stats are good you'll probably be fine for school admission.

2. Unique is by definition singular, so no there are not levels to one of a kind. Pedantry in language is the lifeblood of the law.

kellyfrost wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

kellyfrost wrote:

MikeSpivey wrote:
And, for fun, "very unique" is redundant

I think a lot of people who are either good writers or think they are good writers, tend to over edit the writing of other people and take too much out of the writing.

In this scenario, especially in a casual "headline" the phrase very unique is not redundant. That is, however, just my opinion.

So what are the levels of "unique" in your opinion?

In my opinion? Unique, kinda unique / sorta unique, and very unique.

#idiot

Daww it doesn't seem like you know what unique means. Sorry for making it a big deal, but you should look it up.

I feel like with a 176+ this can be overcome in some lower/mid T14s. I suspect there will be a healthy waitlist/rejection pile but certainly not blanket rejection

Dcc617 wrote:

kellyfrost wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

kellyfrost wrote:

MikeSpivey wrote:
And, for fun, "very unique" is redundant

I think a lot of people who are either good writers or think they are good writers, tend to over edit the writing of other people and take too much out of the writing.

In this scenario, especially in a casual "headline" the phrase very unique is not redundant. That is, however, just my opinion.

So what are the levels of "unique" in your opinion?

In my opinion? Unique, kinda unique / sorta unique, and very unique.

#idiot

Daww it doesn't seem like you know what unique means. Sorry for making it a big deal, but you should look it up.

The only word I am unfamiliar with is "Daww." What the Christ does that mean? You must be a real pile of moronic shit.

kellyfrost wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

kellyfrost wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

kellyfrost wrote:

MikeSpivey wrote:
And, for fun, "very unique" is redundant

I think a lot of people who are either good writers or think they are good writers, tend to over edit the writing of other people and take too much out of the writing.

In this scenario, especially in a casual "headline" the phrase very unique is not redundant. That is, however, just my opinion.

So what are the levels of "unique" in your opinion?

In my opinion? Unique, kinda unique / sorta unique, and very unique.

#idiot

Daww it doesn't seem like you know what unique means. Sorry for making it a big deal, but you should look it up.

The only word I am unfamiliar with is "Daww." What the Christ does that mean? You must be a real pile of moronic shit.

It sounds like you're all sorts of riled up, little buddy. Maybe take a nap and sip some juice? You can use words however makes you happy. It's alright.

Forget the cf issue. Your 3.5 is keeping you out of Yale and Stanford and almost certainly Harvard but slim shot with 175+. With a c and f I think all three are out. Even though it's minor they're not taking many 3.5s and there are many applying so you be perfect and this isn't terrible, but it sure ain't perfect.

It won't sink you for ccn down tho! Now go beat 99.5% of people on the lsat before you worry, obviously very few do.

Also consider that this will be a C&F issue when it comes time to register for the bar. I doubt this alone would sink you (one instance of youthful indiscretion), but if you have other red flags in your background, that would be something to consider.

Clearly wrote:Forget the cf issue. Your 3.5 is keeping you out of Yale and Stanford and almost certainly Harvard but slim shot with 175+. With a c and f I think all three are out. Even though it's minor they're not taking many 3.5s and there are many applying so you be perfect and this isn't terrible, but it sure ain't perfect.

It won't sink you for ccn down tho! Now go beat 99.5% of people on the lsat before you worry, obviously very few do.

Thanks. Just to be clear - you're saying the C&F won't affect my chances at CCN? Or that I still have a shot at CCN?

BlueClearSky wrote:

Clearly wrote:Forget the cf issue. Your 3.5 is keeping you out of Yale and Stanford and almost certainly Harvard but slim shot with 175+. With a c and f I think all three are out. Even though it's minor they're not taking many 3.5s and there are many applying so you be perfect and this isn't terrible, but it sure ain't perfect.

It won't sink you for ccn down tho! Now go beat 99.5% of people on the lsat before you worry, obviously very few do.

Thanks. Just to be clear - you're saying the C&F won't affect my chances at CCN? Or that I still have a shot at CCN?

The suspension isn't necessarily (depending on what it is) a pulled up drawbridge for any school, not a single one.

As Clearly outlines, the GPA is likely the bigger issue for you.

In respect to degrees of "unique" there are none. Something is either unique or it isn't.

No- for Harvard a 3.5 doesn't disqualify you.



Just crush the LSAT.

kellyfrost wrote:

MikeSpivey wrote:
And, for fun, "very unique" is redundant

I think a lot of people who are either good writers or think they are good writers, tend to over edit the writing of other people and take too much out of the writing.

In this scenario, especially in a casual "headline" the phrase very unique is not redundant. That is, however, just my opinion.

If you're going to critique this guy, go for the low-hanging fruit misusing sine qua non....