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I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Why do you find myLSN.info numbers unhelpful? you have weak softs, and you're not a URM (although south asian neither helps or hurts), so you'll either perform or slightly underperform your numbers.

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Softs aren't good, they are average/ below average. No URM boost. Your numbers might get in at GT/Cornell, ding everywhere else. ED NYU probably 30%. Also, ED at NYU is gonna be way more than $200k in debt. When it comes to repayment, it will certainly be 300k. I hope you have some family paying for that.

Retake. 4 points gets you into bottom t14 with some money. As of right now, not great potential.

Still in at WM, BC and Fordham but thats probably it.

lawlorbust wrote:

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Why do you find myLSN.info numbers unhelpful? you have weak softs, and you're not a URM (although south asian neither helps or hurts), so you'll either perform or slightly underperform your numbers.

For my stats, myLSN.info gives a sample size of about 2-7 people per university I've applied to. I also am extremely dubious of self-reporting, I personally know 2 people who have (each multiple times) submitted fake stats to LSN.. It's mostly a personal discomfort, honestly.

fredfred wrote:

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Softs aren't good, they are average/ below average. No URM boost. Your numbers might get in at GT/Cornell, ding everywhere else. ED NYU probably 30%. Also, ED at NYU is gonna be way more than $200k in debt. When it comes to repayment, it will certainly be 300k. I hope you have some family paying for that.

Retake. 4 points gets you into bottom t14 with some money. As of right now, not great potential.

Still in at WM, BC and Fordham but thats probably it.

I've taken 3x in 2 years, (164 lowest, one cancelled). I included an addendum explaining the circumstances surrounding the dropped score (i.e. simultaneous and horrendously timed mental/physical health and family issues). The addendum also gives some perspective on my Spring 2015 semester, which was highly irregular due to the same circumstances and significantly impacted my GPA (most previous semesters were 17-18 hrs/semester, mostly A/A-'s). Am I putting too much faith in the power of an addendum?

nd6228 wrote:

fredfred wrote:

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Softs aren't good, they are average/ below average. No URM boost. Your numbers might get in at GT/Cornell, ding everywhere else. ED NYU probably 30%. Also, ED at NYU is gonna be way more than $200k in debt. When it comes to repayment, it will certainly be 300k. I hope you have some family paying for that.

Retake. 4 points gets you into bottom t14 with some money. As of right now, not great potential.

Still in at WM, BC and Fordham but thats probably it.

I've taken 3x in 2 years, (164 lowest, one cancelled). I included an addendum explaining the circumstances surrounding the dropped score (i.e. simultaneous and horrendously timed mental/physical health and family issues). The addendum also gives some perspective on my Spring 2015 semester, which was highly irregular due to the same circumstances and significantly impacted my GPA (most previous semesters were 17-18 hrs/semester, mostly A/A-'s). Am I putting too much faith in the power of an addendum?

Yes. At the end of the day, they report the GPA to usnews. Not your GPA with an asterisk. I had the exact same GPA so I went through this in your spot a year ago. The problem is a 168 is the median for the lower t14 and your gpa does not help plus you aren't URM. Out from HLS down to Northwestern at least. Maybe Michigan waitlist, they are slightly weird. Maybe in at GT/Cornell, but certainly with no money. Sorry, but it sucks having a lower GPA. With the increase in apps this year/lsat takers, its not as much of a buyers market. So the 168 is not splitter level for t14. Need at least a 170+ with a sub 3.5 if you aren't a URM. Sorry. But addendums aren't going to do anything for you, and no crazy softs to help.

fredfred wrote:

nd6228 wrote:

fredfred wrote:

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Softs aren't good, they are average/ below average. No URM boost. Your numbers might get in at GT/Cornell, ding everywhere else. ED NYU probably 30%. Also, ED at NYU is gonna be way more than $200k in debt. When it comes to repayment, it will certainly be 300k. I hope you have some family paying for that.

Retake. 4 points gets you into bottom t14 with some money. As of right now, not great potential.

Still in at WM, BC and Fordham but thats probably it.

I've taken 3x in 2 years, (164 lowest, one cancelled). I included an addendum explaining the circumstances surrounding the dropped score (i.e. simultaneous and horrendously timed mental/physical health and family issues). The addendum also gives some perspective on my Spring 2015 semester, which was highly irregular due to the same circumstances and significantly impacted my GPA (most previous semesters were 17-18 hrs/semester, mostly A/A-'s). Am I putting too much faith in the power of an addendum?

Yes. At the end of the day, they report the GPA to usnews. Not your GPA with an asterisk. I had the exact same GPA so I went through this in your spot a year ago. The problem is a 168 is the median for the lower t14 and your gpa does not help plus you aren't URM. Out from HLS down to Northwestern at least. Maybe Michigan waitlist, they are slightly weird. Maybe in at GT/Cornell, but certainly with no money. Sorry, but it sucks having a lower GPA. With the increase in apps this year/lsat takers, its not as much of a buyers market. So the 168 is not splitter level for t14. Need at least a 170+ with a sub 3.5 if you aren't a URM. Sorry. But addendums aren't going to do anything for you, and no crazy softs to help.

Thanks for the input. Despite the relatively bleak outlook, this is probably gonna help me be able to focus on my actual coursework now haha.

nd6228 wrote:

fredfred wrote:

nd6228 wrote:

fredfred wrote:

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Softs aren't good, they are average/ below average. No URM boost. Your numbers might get in at GT/Cornell, ding everywhere else. ED NYU probably 30%. Also, ED at NYU is gonna be way more than $200k in debt. When it comes to repayment, it will certainly be 300k. I hope you have some family paying for that.

Retake. 4 points gets you into bottom t14 with some money. As of right now, not great potential.

Still in at WM, BC and Fordham but thats probably it.

I've taken 3x in 2 years, (164 lowest, one cancelled). I included an addendum explaining the circumstances surrounding the dropped score (i.e. simultaneous and horrendously timed mental/physical health and family issues). The addendum also gives some perspective on my Spring 2015 semester, which was highly irregular due to the same circumstances and significantly impacted my GPA (most previous semesters were 17-18 hrs/semester, mostly A/A-'s). Am I putting too much faith in the power of an addendum?

Yes. At the end of the day, they report the GPA to usnews. Not your GPA with an asterisk. I had the exact same GPA so I went through this in your spot a year ago. The problem is a 168 is the median for the lower t14 and your gpa does not help plus you aren't URM. Out from HLS down to Northwestern at least. Maybe Michigan waitlist, they are slightly weird. Maybe in at GT/Cornell, but certainly with no money. Sorry, but it sucks having a lower GPA. With the increase in apps this year/lsat takers, its not as much of a buyers market. So the 168 is not splitter level for t14. Need at least a 170+ with a sub 3.5 if you aren't a URM. Sorry. But addendums aren't going to do anything for you, and no crazy softs to help.

Thanks for the input. Despite the relatively bleak outlook, this is probably gonna help me be able to focus on my actual coursework now haha.

Haha no worries. It sucked last year going through it. The only idea is if you are Virginia resident, try to pull out of NYU ED and go UVA ED. But that is only if you are a VA resident. In that case, pretty likely you get into UVA.

fredfred wrote:

nd6228 wrote:

fredfred wrote:

nd6228 wrote:

fredfred wrote:

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Softs aren't good, they are average/ below average. No URM boost. Your numbers might get in at GT/Cornell, ding everywhere else. ED NYU probably 30%. Also, ED at NYU is gonna be way more than $200k in debt. When it comes to repayment, it will certainly be 300k. I hope you have some family paying for that.

Retake. 4 points gets you into bottom t14 with some money. As of right now, not great potential.

Still in at WM, BC and Fordham but thats probably it.

I've taken 3x in 2 years, (164 lowest, one cancelled). I included an addendum explaining the circumstances surrounding the dropped score (i.e. simultaneous and horrendously timed mental/physical health and family issues). The addendum also gives some perspective on my Spring 2015 semester, which was highly irregular due to the same circumstances and significantly impacted my GPA (most previous semesters were 17-18 hrs/semester, mostly A/A-'s). Am I putting too much faith in the power of an addendum?

Yes. At the end of the day, they report the GPA to usnews. Not your GPA with an asterisk. I had the exact same GPA so I went through this in your spot a year ago. The problem is a 168 is the median for the lower t14 and your gpa does not help plus you aren't URM. Out from HLS down to Northwestern at least. Maybe Michigan waitlist, they are slightly weird. Maybe in at GT/Cornell, but certainly with no money. Sorry, but it sucks having a lower GPA. With the increase in apps this year/lsat takers, its not as much of a buyers market. So the 168 is not splitter level for t14. Need at least a 170+ with a sub 3.5 if you aren't a URM. Sorry. But addendums aren't going to do anything for you, and no crazy softs to help.

Thanks for the input. Despite the relatively bleak outlook, this is probably gonna help me be able to focus on my actual coursework now haha.

Haha no worries. It sucked last year going through it. The only idea is if you are Virginia resident, try to pull out of NYU ED and go UVA ED. But that is only if you are a VA resident. In that case, pretty likely you get into UVA.

PM'd!

Well, pop back in here in a few months and let us know how your application cycle goes! Good luck!

You have essentially no chance at NYU, but will get a few lower T14s. But attending any of them with your stats would be a colossal mistake, as you're not going to get money and would have to debt finance ~300K (for a 50-60% chance at a job that pays 160K (that is pretty universally regarded as terrible and exists exclusively in really high COL areas (and that you'll likely only last for 3-4 years in before taking a huge paycut in some desperate attempt to improve your QOL (but you'll still be fucking buried in debt)))).

I thought we agreed recommending ED UVA is a bannable offense? Where are you at, MODS?

Traynor Brah wrote:You have essentially no chance at NYU, but will get a few lower T14s. But attending any of them with your stats would be a colossal mistake, as you're not going to get money and would have to debt finance ~300K (for a 50-60% chance at a job that pays 160K (that is pretty universally regarded as terrible and exists exclusively in really high COL areas (and that you'll likely only last for 3-4 years in before taking a huge paycut in some desperate attempt to improve your QOL (but you'll still be fucking buried in debt)))).

I thought we agreed recommending ED UVA is a bannable offense? Where are you at, MODS?

Thanks for the insight, but scholarships are not a concern for me for a variety of reasons that I do not need to detail. And, I've heard it all before.

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Good luck with term papers! Late to the game, but here's some advice:
If money is no concern for you, maybe add in some more T20 schools since your numbers might give you a better shot there. (WUSTL, UCLA, GW, etc.). You've definitely applied to a lot of schools already, but you might have a lot more luck if you add more non-T14s to your list. Maybe give Duke a shot as well, although it's probably a stretch.

fkt18 wrote:

nd6228 wrote:I find myLSN.info as well as the LSAC's UGPA/LSAT index laughably unhelpful, and I can't focus on my term papers without getting some kind of feedback.

For some more perspective:
- Undergrad: highly ranked state school (GPA falls in top 45%... I know.)
- Extremely selective honors program (~10% acceptance)
- Triple major
- Editor at university's undergrad law review (one of approx. 4 currently existing, if I remember correctly)
- Other softs are ple-e-e-enty, but I don't think they're distinguishing enough to make a huge difference
- My parents are south Asian, and I know this doesn't make me URM, but I don't know if it hurts or helps.
- Female

I applied to NYU ED (I am very comfortable with $200k debt, lol) on 11/13 as well as HLS, Chicago, Columbia, Penn, Berks, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Cornell, GULC, UT, William & Mary, Boston College, and Fordham all by 11/15.

Peace n blessings

Good luck with term papers! Late to the game, but here's some advice:
If money is no concern for you, maybe add in some more T20 schools since your numbers might give you a better shot there. (WUSTL, UCLA, GW, etc.). You've definitely applied to a lot of schools already, but you might have a lot more luck if you add more non-T14s to your list. Maybe give Duke a shot as well, although it's probably a stretch.

Sent off apps to UCLA, WUSTL, and Duke yesterday

Go ahead and widen the range on mylsn- 3.3-3.49 and a 168 LSAT gives you a solid idea

Don't spend 200K on law school. That would be really, really dumb.

BigZuck wrote:Go ahead and widen the range on mylsn- 3.3-3.49 and a 168 LSAT gives you a solid idea

Don't spend 200K on law school. That would be really, really dumb.

Thanks!! I will not be spending 200K on law school, that line was a joke haha

nd6228 wrote:Sent off apps to UCLA, WUSTL, and Duke yesterday

Good, you'll hopefully get some bites there!