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What are my chances at DePaul?

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:17 pm
by Joeschmo112
So I am basically average and applying to the part time program. I applied as early as possible (september 1st) and I have a 150 LSAT and a 3.31 GPA. I am not an URM.

Student activities:
Service Chair of Muslim Student Association
Co-founder of a soup kitchen in my city.


I already applied to John Marshall Law School and I got in and I also applied to DePaul as early as I could for the part time program. With my numbers would it be a long shot?

Re: What are my chances at DePaul?

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:04 pm
by BigZuck
Check out www.mylsn.info for chances

Re: What are my chances at DePaul?

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:07 pm
by totesTheGoat
Joeschmo112 wrote:I have a 150 LSAT and a 3.31 GPA. I am not an URM.
What do you want to do with your law degree? Does DePaul and John Marshall get you there?

Just given your numbers, the standard recommendation is for you to retake, shooting for something around 165 or higher on the LSAT. That will open up a higher tier of schools. However, it depends on what you're planning on doing when you graduate with $200k in debt from DePaul or John Marshall.

Re: What are my chances at DePaul?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:33 am
by Troianii
totesTheGoat wrote:
Joeschmo112 wrote:I have a 150 LSAT and a 3.31 GPA. I am not an URM.
What do you want to do with your law degree? Does DePaul and John Marshall get you there?

Just given your numbers, the standard recommendation is for you to retake, shooting for something around 165 or higher on the LSAT. That will open up a higher tier of schools. However, it depends on what you're planning on doing when you graduate with $200k in debt from DePaul or John Marshall.
My gosh, I hope the OP doesn't graduate with 20k in debt from those schools.

As has been said, check lsn to see what comparable applicants have done in the last 3 years - but bear in mind job prospects (check law school transparency by googling "lst" + school name) and amount of debt you'd take on.

For John Marshall - you're above their median LSAT and 75th gpa, you should get in.

For Depaul, you're between their 25th and median lsat, and about their median GPA - it's less likely, but you should get in.

Ultimately it's your choice, but I'd consider a top 100 choice at least apply to Loyola Chicago - you're no shoe-in there, but give it a shot.

Re: What are my chances at DePaul?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:40 pm
by BigZuck
Troianii wrote:
totesTheGoat wrote:
Joeschmo112 wrote:I have a 150 LSAT and a 3.31 GPA. I am not an URM.
What do you want to do with your law degree? Does DePaul and John Marshall get you there?

Just given your numbers, the standard recommendation is for you to retake, shooting for something around 165 or higher on the LSAT. That will open up a higher tier of schools. However, it depends on what you're planning on doing when you graduate with $200k in debt from DePaul or John Marshall.
My gosh, I hope the OP doesn't graduate with 20k in debt from those schools.

As has been said, check lsn to see what comparable applicants have done in the last 3 years - but bear in mind job prospects (check law school transparency by googling "lst" + school name) and amount of debt you'd take on.

For John Marshall - you're above their median LSAT and 75th gpa, you should get in.

For Depaul, you're between their 25th and median lsat, and about their median GPA - it's less likely, but you should get in.

Ultimately it's your choice, but I'd consider a top 100 choice at least apply to Loyola Chicago - you're no shoe-in there, but give it a shot.
Top 100 is a super meaningless distinction

Re: What are my chances at DePaul?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:10 pm
by Troianii
BigZuck wrote:
Troianii wrote:
totesTheGoat wrote:
Joeschmo112 wrote:I have a 150 LSAT and a 3.31 GPA. I am not an URM.
What do you want to do with your law degree? Does DePaul and John Marshall get you there?

Just given your numbers, the standard recommendation is for you to retake, shooting for something around 165 or higher on the LSAT. That will open up a higher tier of schools. However, it depends on what you're planning on doing when you graduate with $200k in debt from DePaul or John Marshall.
My gosh, I hope the OP doesn't graduate with 20k in debt from those schools.

As has been said, check lsn to see what comparable applicants have done in the last 3 years - but bear in mind job prospects (check law school transparency by googling "lst" + school name) and amount of debt you'd take on.

For John Marshall - you're above their median LSAT and 75th gpa, you should get in.

For Depaul, you're between their 25th and median lsat, and about their median GPA - it's less likely, but you should get in.

Ultimately it's your choice, but I'd consider a top 100 choice at least apply to Loyola Chicago - you're no shoe-in there, but give it a shot.
Top 100 is a super meaningless distinction
Do you think the distinction between John Marshall, DePaul, and Loyola Chicago is meaningless? I think the job prospects are fairly different between the three.

Re: What are my chances at DePaul?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:27 pm
by BigZuck
Troianii wrote:
BigZuck wrote:
Troianii wrote:
totesTheGoat wrote:
Joeschmo112 wrote:I have a 150 LSAT and a 3.31 GPA. I am not an URM.
What do you want to do with your law degree? Does DePaul and John Marshall get you there?

Just given your numbers, the standard recommendation is for you to retake, shooting for something around 165 or higher on the LSAT. That will open up a higher tier of schools. However, it depends on what you're planning on doing when you graduate with $200k in debt from DePaul or John Marshall.
My gosh, I hope the OP doesn't graduate with 20k in debt from those schools.

As has been said, check lsn to see what comparable applicants have done in the last 3 years - but bear in mind job prospects (check law school transparency by googling "lst" + school name) and amount of debt you'd take on.

For John Marshall - you're above their median LSAT and 75th gpa, you should get in.

For Depaul, you're between their 25th and median lsat, and about their median GPA - it's less likely, but you should get in.

Ultimately it's your choice, but I'd consider a top 100 choice at least apply to Loyola Chicago - you're no shoe-in there, but give it a shot.
Top 100 is a super meaningless distinction
Do you think the distinction between John Marshall, DePaul, and Loyola Chicago is meaningless? I think the job prospects are fairly different between the three.
That's moving the goalposts

Job prospects are important, U.S. News Rankings are not important

The job prospects at all 3 schools are quite poor though

Re: What are my chances at DePaul?

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:01 pm
by Troianii
BigZuck wrote:
Troianii wrote:
BigZuck wrote:
Troianii wrote:
totesTheGoat wrote:
Joeschmo112 wrote:I have a 150 LSAT and a 3.31 GPA. I am not an URM.
What do you want to do with your law degree? Does DePaul and John Marshall get you there?

Just given your numbers, the standard recommendation is for you to retake, shooting for something around 165 or higher on the LSAT. That will open up a higher tier of schools. However, it depends on what you're planning on doing when you graduate with $200k in debt from DePaul or John Marshall.
My gosh, I hope the OP doesn't graduate with 20k in debt from those schools.

As has been said, check lsn to see what comparable applicants have done in the last 3 years - but bear in mind job prospects (check law school transparency by googling "lst" + school name) and amount of debt you'd take on.

For John Marshall - you're above their median LSAT and 75th gpa, you should get in.

For Depaul, you're between their 25th and median lsat, and about their median GPA - it's less likely, but you should get in.

Ultimately it's your choice, but I'd consider a top 100 choice at least apply to Loyola Chicago - you're no shoe-in there, but give it a shot.
Top 100 is a super meaningless distinction
Do you think the distinction between John Marshall, DePaul, and Loyola Chicago is meaningless? I think the job prospects are fairly different between the three.
That's moving the goalposts

Job prospects are important, U.S. News Rankings are not important

The job prospects at all 3 schools are quite poor though
There's no causal relation, but the correlation between job prospects and school ranking are strong enough that usnews ranking is a useful shorthand. And all offer poor job prospects, but there's a degree of difference and if the OP is set on law school, they're better off taking a shot at Loyola - where they might get in.

Re: What are my chances at DePaul?

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:07 pm
by BigZuck
The correlation between school ranking and job prospects in the "T100" is super weak (if it exists at all).

T100 is a super meaningless distinction.

If the OP is concerned with job placement than the correct answer is "none of the above."