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What are my friend's chances of getting $$ from UCLA with a 172/ 2.8 (3.9 grad)?

I have a friend with a B.S. in Electrical Engineering, and a M.S. in Mechanical Engineering. (Didn't realize he was much better at mechanical than electrical until later.) He wants to do patent prosecution.

edit: my bad lol, typed his words verbatim

170-173
2.6-2.9

$0 for the 2 accepted

Accepted 173 2.79 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/freshmaker
Accepted 173 2.66 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Splitter2014
Waitlisted 172 2.78 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cpslo12
Waitlisted 171 2.90 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cdoor
Waitlisted 171 2.80 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/an0therdatap0int
Waitlisted 171 2.79 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/THE_LOCH_NESSIE
Waitlisted 171 2.70 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/splitacular
Waitlisted 170 2.90 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/tuxedocat
Waitlisted 170 2.72 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/AlwaysSplit8s
Denied 172 2.78 http://lawschoolnumbers.com/worldwidestub


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he's engineering, not social science and humanities, lol. the difference is he's guaranteed biglaw employment after being admitted and they're not

Don't be so presumptuous. There are no guarantees in law school nor coming out of law school. Why even go to law school. With a M.S. in Engineering, your friend should be in a nice employment situation now. With that low GPA, and yes, the Masters degree is close to meaningless in law school admissions, your friend could get WUSTL full-ride, but t14 $$$ will be difficult to snag.

Liquox wrote:he's engineering, not social science and humanities, lol. the difference is he's guaranteed biglaw employment after being admitted and they're not

wut

BasilHallward wrote:Don't be so presumptuous. There are no guarantees in law school nor coming out of law school. Why even go to law school. With a M.S. in Engineering, your friend should be in a nice employment situation now. With that low GPA, and yes, the Masters degree is close to meaningless in law school admissions, your friend could get WUSTL full-ride, but t14 $$$ will be difficult to snag.

Here are some tips from a biglaw associate to you:

1) learn the market: we really don't care how fancy you think your hypothetical t14 degree is. if you majored in something useless in undergrad (in your case, you did, because clearly you don't understand the engineering job market), our clients don't want to pay for you. result... we're not hiring you. but we will hire an engineer who can sit for the patent bar. why? because we're drowning in patent work, and we'd rather pay 50k/yr for a yes-man like you than 160k/yr.

2) practice reading: find the nearest US news report and show me where UCLA qualifies as t14. honestly, why are you going to law school if you can't read?

for everyone else: if you don't know, no problem. thanks for thinking about it. if you don't know and pretend you know, that is a problem and i hope you're better informed in front of your future clients

it seems like you have this all figured out and have a much better perspective than us peons

Liquox wrote: Here are some tips from a biglaw associate to you:

1) learn the market: we really don't care how fancy you think your hypothetical t14 degree is. if you majored in something useless in undergrad (in your case, you did, because clearly you don't understand the engineering job market), our clients don't want to pay for you. result... we're not hiring you. but we will hire an engineer who can sit for the patent bar. why? because we're drowning in patent work, and we'd rather pay 50k/yr for a yes-man like you than 160k/yr.

wut

Liquox wrote: for everyone else: if you don't know, no problem. thanks for thinking about it. if you don't know and pretend you know, that is a problem and i hope you're better informed in front of your future clients

i just provided the stats that were available

Liquox wrote:he's engineering, not social science and humanities, lol. the difference is he's guaranteed biglaw employment after being admitted and they're not

You're right that this may have some effect, but schools don't get to say "engineering majors included" when reporting GPAs to USNWR. And most of the info people have here comes from the reports on MyLSN (the search results above include people who don't list their background, so they could have an engineering background; we just don't know).

Liquox wrote:

BasilHallward wrote:Don't be so presumptuous. There are no guarantees in law school nor coming out of law school. Why even go to law school. With a M.S. in Engineering, your friend should be in a nice employment situation now. With that low GPA, and yes, the Masters degree is close to meaningless in law school admissions, your friend could get WUSTL full-ride, but t14 $$$ will be difficult to snag.

Here are some tips from a biglaw associate to you:

1) learn the market: we really don't care how fancy you think your hypothetical t14 degree is. if you majored in something useless in undergrad (in your case, you did, because clearly you don't understand the engineering job market), our clients don't want to pay for you. result... we're not hiring you. but we will hire an engineer who can sit for the patent bar. why? because we're drowning in patent work, and we'd rather pay 50k/yr for a yes-man like you than 160k/yr.

2) practice reading: find the nearest US news report and show me where UCLA qualifies as t14. honestly, why are you going to law school if you can't read?

for everyone else: if you don't know, no problem. thanks for thinking about it. if you don't know and pretend you know, that is a problem and i hope you're better informed in front of your future clients

Sounds like ur pretty hot shit bro

Liquox wrote:

BasilHallward wrote:Don't be so presumptuous. There are no guarantees in law school nor coming out of law school. Why even go to law school. With a M.S. in Engineering, your friend should be in a nice employment situation now. With that low GPA, and yes, the Masters degree is close to meaningless in law school admissions, your friend could get WUSTL full-ride, but t14 $$$ will be difficult to snag.

Here are some tips from a biglaw associate to you:

1) learn the market: we really don't care how fancy you think your hypothetical t14 degree is. if you majored in something useless in undergrad (in your case, you did, because clearly you don't understand the engineering job market), our clients don't want to pay for you. result... we're not hiring you. but we will hire an engineer who can sit for the patent bar. why? because we're drowning in patent work, and we'd rather pay 50k/yr for a yes-man like you than 160k/yr.

2) practice reading: find the nearest US news report and show me where UCLA qualifies as t14. honestly, why are you going to law school if you can't read?

for everyone else: if you don't know, no problem. thanks for thinking about it. if you don't know and pretend you know, that is a problem and i hope you're better informed in front of your future clients

Take a chill pill. Wow.

This is of course assuming that your "friend" will hang on to his technical skills that he learned whilst studying engineering. 3 years is plenty of time to accumulate rust. Does he have work experience? Lockheed Martin or something? I am assuming no, but correct me if I am wrong. But yeah, he may snag UCLA. It is difficult to say because the California schools love the GPA

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A. Nony Mouse wrote: You're right that this may have some effect, but schools don't get to say "engineering majors included" when reporting GPAs to USNWR. And most of the info people have here comes from the reports on MyLSN (the search results above include people who don't list their background, so they could have an engineering background; we just don't know).

True, and this is 100% purely speculative, anecdotal, and unofficial. BUT, I found that most of the splitters I knew came from a STEM background. Even though they don't get to say it, it seems as though the chances of being okay as a splitter are better if you're STEM than non-STEM. If there are people already inevitably far below median GPA with a good LSAT, it doesn't matter if you admit that as an engineering major or an art history major, but there currently seems to be more forgiveness towards someone who took an engineering major because of a perception of higher difficulty.

i am very similar to your "friend" in that i had an engineering background, a sub 3.0 gpa, and over 170 lsat

granted my gpa was very very close to 3.0 so its more or less .2 higher than your "friend's"

i got about 50k from ucla and am attending there now