What are my chances? Forum

[HereICome3]

GPA: 3.98 (public school)
LSAT1: 159
LSAT2: Going to take feb 2015, expecting between 168-172 (first test there was a disruption in the center)


Schools: NYU, Cornell, Columbia

Please help! Anything is appreciated.

[Tomasz]

GPA: 3.98 (public school)
LSAT1: 159
LSAT2: Going to take feb 2015, expecting between 168-172 (first test there was a disruption in the center)
URM

Schools: NYU, Cornell, Columbia

Please help! Anything is appreciated.

unless you got beat up by a violent street gang a "disruption" doesn't get you a 159.

I hope you studied a lot more this time!

That said... a 172 is autoadmit at Cornell, super high chance at nyu/columbia. What else is there to say

[kevgogators]

Come back with actual LSAT score. Your GPA and URM status will help. Play with this in the mean time...

http://mylsn.info/ayl37g/

[Rigo]

No chance with a 159.
In at Cornell with a 168 with a pretty sizable scholly. Likely to slip into the other two because URM (what kind?)
In across the board with a 172.

Come back to us when you have your February score.

[HereICome3]

URM: hispanic

Will NYU even consider a higher score at this point? My application is currently under review.

I will update when the new score comes in. I am confident it will be in that range.

[Rigo]

URM: hispanic

Mexican American or Puerto Rican?

[Rigo]

Will NYU even consider a higher score at this point? My application is currently under review.
I will update when the new score comes in. I am confident it will be in that range.

I would e-mail them and ask them to hold your application until February scores are released.

[HereICome3]

URM: hispanic

Mexican American or Puerto Rican?

Spanish from Spain, so European.

And as far as emailing them, is that possible since they say they only accept up to December?

[Rigo]

URM: hispanic

Mexican American or Puerto Rican?

Spanish from Spain, so European.
And as far as emailing them, is that possible since they say they only accept up to December?

That's not URM. You will get no bump.
And it doesn't hurt to email and ask. You're an outright deny as is.

[cc78]

Uh oh...Don't think you're a URM.

URM = African-American, Mexican-American, Puerto Rican, or Native American.

ETA: Scooped by Dirigo

[Rigo]

Furthermore, you're not even Hispanic in the eyes of the U.S. Census Bureau. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[HereICome3]

Furthermore, you're not even Hispanic in the eyes of the U.S. Census Bureau. Sorry to burst your bubble.

http://www.census.gov/population/hispanic/

[HereICome3]

Uh oh...Don't think you're a URM.

URM = African-American, Mexican-American, Puerto Rican, or Native American.

ETA: Scooped by Dirigo

Uh oh is right

[Rigo]

Furthermore, you're not even Hispanic in the eyes of the U.S. Census Bureau. Sorry to burst your bubble.

http://www.census.gov/population/hispanic/

I guess you're taking the catch-all super literally. And race is self-perception.
Pretty sure the intent on law school apps is to identify Latino students and other persons of colors.

No matter how you slice it, you're certainly not a URM though so you won't outperform your numbers.

[HereICome3]

URM: hispanic

Mexican American or Puerto Rican?

Spanish from Spain, so European.
And as far as emailing them, is that possible since they say they only accept up to December?

That's not URM. You will get no bump.
And it doesn't hurt to email and ask. You're an outright deny as is.

Thanks! Also, fixed my description above. Thank you for pointing that out, I guess there is some wrong information being spread around.

[Gray]

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[HereICome3]

I saw this on another post and thought it was interesting.

"The actual Supreme Court document makes no mention of the difference between Mexican-Americans, Puerto Ricans, and "regular" Hispanic/Latinos. In fact, it actually speaks to the difficulty of determining whether Cubans are considered URMs. The link that you posted, silver, is data compiled from the plaintiff's statistician, not from the decision handed down by the Supreme Court. The judges used consistent language throughout their decision and always referred to Hispanics as one larger group.

LSAC's research staff conveniently breaks down avg. LSAT scores and the like by specific Hispanic groups such as Mexican-American and Puerto Rican, but don't take this to assume that Hispanics are given considerably less of a boost."

"Perhaps Mexican-Americans and Puero Ricans are given the largest relative boosts (with respect to their LSAT scores) because of their extremely low average LSAT scores, but to say that all Hispanics aren't given URM status just seems silly. From looking at LSAC's research compilation, Puerto Ricans are given the biggest boost wrt LSAT scores, then African Americans, and then Mexican Americans, Hispanics in general, and Native Americans are all about equal. Hispanics (in general!) are underrepresented at law schools: --LinkRemoved-- (click on additional). In 2005, 14.5% of the US population claimed Hispanic ethnicity while only 7.2% of Hispanics were admitted to law school that same year. And I highly doubt that if you control for Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans that you will be able to explain away this enormous discrepancy."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/g ... 9&page=306

[Rigo]

I don't mean to digress beyond the important non-URM classification. Sure you're literally hi-SPA(I)N-ic and I apologize for saying otherwise if that's offended you. I was more so trying to reference the intent of the people asking that question (in this case law schools). Likewise, if your ancestry is white South African, you probably shouldn't claim to be African American despite originating from the continent. I think it's more of a good faith/bad faith kind of thing, but it's your prerogative at the end of the day how you choose to answer that question.

[gamerish]

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[baal hadad]

I saw this on another post and thought it was interesting.

"The actual Supreme Court document makes no mention of the difference between Mexican-Americans, Puerto Ricans, and "regular" Hispanic/Latinos. In fact, it actually speaks to the difficulty of determining whether Cubans are considered URMs. The link that you posted, silver, is data compiled from the plaintiff's statistician, not from the decision handed down by the Supreme Court. The judges used consistent language throughout their decision and always referred to Hispanics as one larger group.

LSAC's research staff conveniently breaks down avg. LSAT scores and the like by specific Hispanic groups such as Mexican-American and Puerto Rican, but don't take this to assume that Hispanics are given considerably less of a boost."

"Perhaps Mexican-Americans and Puero Ricans are given the largest relative boosts (with respect to their LSAT scores) because of their extremely low average LSAT scores, but to say that all Hispanics aren't given URM status just seems silly. From looking at LSAC's research compilation, Puerto Ricans are given the biggest boost wrt LSAT scores, then African Americans, and then Mexican Americans, Hispanics in general, and Native Americans are all about equal. Hispanics (in general!) are underrepresented at law schools: --LinkRemoved-- (click on additional). In 2005, 14.5% of the US population claimed Hispanic ethnicity while only 7.2% of Hispanics were admitted to law school that same year. And I highly doubt that if you control for Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans that you will be able to explain away this enormous discrepancy."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/g ... 9&page=306

guess what you're hispanic - white

aka hispanic - no one gives a shit

[HereICome3]

I saw this on another post and thought it was interesting.

"The actual Supreme Court document makes no mention of the difference between Mexican-Americans, Puerto Ricans, and "regular" Hispanic/Latinos. In fact, it actually speaks to the difficulty of determining whether Cubans are considered URMs. The link that you posted, silver, is data compiled from the plaintiff's statistician, not from the decision handed down by the Supreme Court. The judges used consistent language throughout their decision and always referred to Hispanics as one larger group.

LSAC's research staff conveniently breaks down avg. LSAT scores and the like by specific Hispanic groups such as Mexican-American and Puerto Rican, but don't take this to assume that Hispanics are given considerably less of a boost."

"Perhaps Mexican-Americans and Puero Ricans are given the largest relative boosts (with respect to their LSAT scores) because of their extremely low average LSAT scores, but to say that all Hispanics aren't given URM status just seems silly. From looking at LSAC's research compilation, Puerto Ricans are given the biggest boost wrt LSAT scores, then African Americans, and then Mexican Americans, Hispanics in general, and Native Americans are all about equal. Hispanics (in general!) are underrepresented at law schools: --LinkRemoved-- (click on additional). In 2005, 14.5% of the US population claimed Hispanic ethnicity while only 7.2% of Hispanics were admitted to law school that same year. And I highly doubt that if you control for Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans that you will be able to explain away this enormous discrepancy."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/g ... 9&page=306

guess what you're hispanic - white

aka hispanic - no one gives a shit

Can you please explain how Hispanic is white? I am genuinely curious.

[baal hadad]

I saw this on another post and thought it was interesting.

"The actual Supreme Court document makes no mention of the difference between Mexican-Americans, Puerto Ricans, and "regular" Hispanic/Latinos. In fact, it actually speaks to the difficulty of determining whether Cubans are considered URMs. The link that you posted, silver, is data compiled from the plaintiff's statistician, not from the decision handed down by the Supreme Court. The judges used consistent language throughout their decision and always referred to Hispanics as one larger group.

LSAC's research staff conveniently breaks down avg. LSAT scores and the like by specific Hispanic groups such as Mexican-American and Puerto Rican, but don't take this to assume that Hispanics are given considerably less of a boost."

"Perhaps Mexican-Americans and Puero Ricans are given the largest relative boosts (with respect to their LSAT scores) because of their extremely low average LSAT scores, but to say that all Hispanics aren't given URM status just seems silly. From looking at LSAC's research compilation, Puerto Ricans are given the biggest boost wrt LSAT scores, then African Americans, and then Mexican Americans, Hispanics in general, and Native Americans are all about equal. Hispanics (in general!) are underrepresented at law schools: --LinkRemoved-- (click on additional). In 2005, 14.5% of the US population claimed Hispanic ethnicity while only 7.2% of Hispanics were admitted to law school that same year. And I highly doubt that if you control for Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans that you will be able to explain away this enormous discrepancy."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/g ... 9&page=306

guess what you're hispanic - white

aka hispanic - no one gives a shit

Can you please explain how Hispanic is white? I am genuinely curious.

spanish people are white people

[gamerish]

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[HereICome3]

Can you please explain how Hispanic is white? I am genuinely curious.

Hispanic is considered an ethnicity, white is considered a race. In the U.S. you can't identify solely by your ethnicity, ethnicity is essentially considered to be a subset of a race. So if you want to legally identify as hispanic you also have to have a separate racial identification. So unless you're black or asian, you're white-hispanic.

Thank you

[HereICome3]

So I am back with a 165 :/, thoughts?