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3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:05 am
by GameOfLoans
What are his chances at University of Illinois?
He's a particular gifted writer, but stubborn as a mule for not wanting to retake the LSAT. I promised him I'd coach him myself (he struggled in LOGIC GAMES....
) but he refuses. So with his stats, I'd like to ask what are his
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:13 am
by illegallad
If he's AA then he has a very small chance. If he's not he has no chance.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:14 am
by anyriotgirl
steal his identity and retake
profit
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:21 am
by malleus discentium
Nobody should go to law school with a 148. Full stop.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:36 pm
by nlee10
A fantastic GPA is going to be wasted.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:39 pm
by Colonel_funkadunk
anyriotgirl wrote:steal his identity and retake
profit
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:45 pm
by rinkrat19
Unfortunately, anyone who gets a 148 by definition is shit at logical reasoning, and is going to be VERY hard to convince (with logic) that he should retake.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:33 pm
by Wingtip88
GameOfLoans wrote:He's a particular gifted writer, but stubborn as a mule for not wanting to retake the LSAT.
Then he's an idiot and I feel sorry for any prospective client he ever serves as a lawyer, should be become one.
His chances at any law school worth attending are zero.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:49 pm
by bugsy33
There's a girl in our 1L class that's here with a 152/3.9. Her parents are both Chicago attorneys and U of I grads...I think some clout might have been involved with her getting in. She seems to do just fine with the material, and gives sharp answers in class.
That being said she's an absolute fool for not retaking. I guess when your parents are footing the bill you don't care about scholly $$$.
Could your friend get in with a 148? Eh, possibly, if they had great softs, but would it even be worth it? If they earned a 3.9 that means they have the ability to work hard, so why not just translate that to LSAT studying? I would have no respect for your friend if they sent out applications with a 148 LSAT score. It's just laziness at that point, either that or they truly can't grasp logical reasoning which doesn't bode well for law school success.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:58 pm
by Louis1127
GameOfLoans wrote:he struggled in
LOGIC GAMES all sections....
)
fixed that for you
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:23 am
by prezidentv8
malleus discentium wrote:Nobody should go to law school with a 148. Full stop.
TITCR
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:31 am
by fats provolone
take the lsat for your friend
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:35 am
by Wingtip88
fats provolone wrote:take the lsat for your friend
And bill $250 for each hour spent studying, driving yourself to and from the test center, and every minute you spend inside the test center.
And that's only a TTT billing rate, too.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:06 am
by sparty99
Just for the record: I had a gpa lower than that and a LSAT score around that number and landed a full scholarship at a T50. Everyone on this site told me I should have done a retake. They are right as a 160 would have landed acceptance to a Top 5 program. However, I'm not sure I would have done much better as I'm just not good at the LSAT, SAT, etc. Nonetheless, I graduated and landed a job in big-law. I say this to tell the haters who think that someone with a 148 shouldn't go to law school or won't become an effective laywer. Outside of that, your friend is a damn fool and should absolutely retake.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:22 am
by fats provolone
what school are you doing your post-hoc at?
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:24 am
by Wingtip88
Your entire post should have just read:
sparty99 wrote:your friend is a damn fool and should absolutely retake.
Every other bit of it was just you bragging about yourself while offering nothing worthwhile to OP or his situation.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:30 am
by sparty99
Wingtip88 wrote:Your entire post should have just read:
sparty99 wrote:your friend is a damn fool and should absolutely retake.
Every other bit of it was just you bragging about yourself while offering nothing worthwhile to OP or his situation.
Nope. Wrong. Try again. My statement is direct proof that someone can get accepted to a T50 with similar numbers. The OP can take that for what its worth. However, I mostly commented to respond to the people who say a person with a 148 shouldn't go to law school or can't be an effective lawyer. I really do not need to brag as I could basically careless about big law or the school that I graduated from.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:35 am
by hoos89
sparty99 wrote:Wingtip88 wrote:Your entire post should have just read:
sparty99 wrote:your friend is a damn fool and should absolutely retake.
Every other bit of it was just you bragging about yourself while offering nothing worthwhile to OP or his situation.
Nope. Wrong. Try again. My statement is direct proof that someone can get accepted to a T50 with similar numbers. The OP can take that for what its worth. However, I mostly commented to respond to the people who say a person with a 148 shouldn't go to law school or can't be an effective lawyer. I really do not need to brag as I could basically careless about big law or the school that I graduated from.
The issue isn't so much that such a person CAN'T be an effective lawyer as that any school they would get into would be unlikely to be worth it at whatever price they would have to pay. I mean clearly some people get into T50s with those numbers. The vast majority of them are URMs, though. Congrats on making a bad decision. I'm glad it worked out for you, but that doesn't mean it was a good decision when you made it. It also doesn't mean that there is any significant likelihood that this person's friend will have similar success.
I should also note that there is a pretty decent chance that someone with a 148 on the LSAT will not be able to pass the bar even IF (s)he manages to find a decent job.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:40 am
by Wingtip88
Sparty99 - you do realize that your statement could be taken as advice by people for whom it will be potentially life-ruining, correct?
Whether things worked out for you and whether or not you give a shit is immaterial to the reality that the statistical overwhelming majority of people enrolling in law school with numbers similar to yours will find themselves in an almost inescapable, crushing amount of debt with far below average job prospects.
OP doesn't give a f- about you or your apparent success. In fact, I don't think what he cares about is even relevant. What he needs are the facts, straight and simple. Fact - the huge majority of law school enrollees with a 148 LSAT are on a sure path to misery.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:51 am
by sparty99
hoos89 wrote:sparty99 wrote:Wingtip88 wrote:Your entire post should have just read:
sparty99 wrote:your friend is a damn fool and should absolutely retake.
Every other bit of it was just you bragging about yourself while offering nothing worthwhile to OP or his situation.
Nope. Wrong. Try again. My statement is direct proof that someone can get accepted to a T50 with similar numbers. The OP can take that for what its worth. However, I mostly commented to respond to the people who say a person with a 148 shouldn't go to law school or can't be an effective lawyer. I really do not need to brag as I could basically careless about big law or the school that I graduated from.
The issue isn't so much that such a person CAN'T be an effective lawyer as that any school they would get into would be unlikely to be worth it at whatever price they would have to pay. I mean clearly some people get into T50s with those numbers. The vast majority of them are URMs, though. Congrats on making a bad decision. I'm glad it worked out for you, but that doesn't mean it was a good decision when you made it. It also doesn't mean that there is any significant likelihood that this person's friend will have similar success.
I should also note that there is a pretty decent chance that someone with a 148 on the LSAT will not be able to pass the bar even IF (s)he manages to find a decent job.
I never said it was a good fucking decision. I don't know if it was a bad decision, but I sure as hell would have liked a Harvard, Stanford degree over my "highly ranked" tier one school. I also said the bitch should retake the test. Lastly, as I have stated, I was responding to the people who say someone with a 148 shouldn't go to law school or can't be an effective lawyer. Now please stop riding my balls and quit trying to misconstrue the situation.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:52 am
by fats provolone
never change
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:01 am
by sparty99
Wingtip88 wrote:Sparty99 - you do realize that your statement could be taken as advice by people for whom it will be potentially life-ruining, correct?
Whether things worked out for you and whether or not you give a shit is immaterial to the reality that the statistical overwhelming majority of people enrolling in law school with numbers similar to yours will find themselves in an almost inescapable, crushing amount of debt with far below average job prospects.
OP doesn't give a f- about you or your apparent success. In fact, I don't think what he cares about is even relevant. What he needs are the facts, straight and simple. Fact - the huge majority of law school enrollees with a 148 LSAT are on a sure path to misery.
Clearly you failed to recognize that I said the friend should RETAKE THE FUCKING TEST. People enrolling into law school without a near or close to full-ride at a T50 (more like a T20) are making a huge mistake regardless of their LSAT score. He asked whether the person would get into U of I with those stats. Well, guess what, you loser, I got into SEVERAL HIGHER RANKED schools with similar numbers. Could OP's friend get into U of I with those numbers? MAYBE. Will the OP's friend get into U of I with those numbers? DOUBT IT. But I woudn't even go to U of I-Champaign in the first place. There are only two schools you need to consider in the Big 10. Northwestern and Michigan. There are only two schools you need to consider in the state of Illinois. Northewestern and University of Chicago. Outside of that, law school is not worth it regardless of whether you landed a 165 and got into Illinois with a 40% scholarship. Now please back the hell up and quit trying me.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:10 am
by Wingtip88
sparty99 wrote:Clearly you failed to recognize that I said the friend should RETAKE THE FUCKING TEST
I... literally quoted you on that point... Fuck it.
OP - tell your friend good luck at John Marshall or similar.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:43 am
by BigZuck
sparty99 wrote:Wingtip88 wrote:Your entire post should have just read:
sparty99 wrote:your friend is a damn fool and should absolutely retake.
Every other bit of it was just you bragging about yourself while offering nothing worthwhile to OP or his situation.
Nope. Wrong. Try again. My statement is direct proof that someone can get accepted to a T50 with similar numbers. The OP can take that for what its worth. However, I mostly commented to respond to the people who say a person with a 148 shouldn't go to law school or can't be an effective lawyer. I really do not need to brag as I could basically careless about big law or the school that I graduated from.
Can you link to one post (just one) where someone on TLS said that someone with a low LSAT score can't be an effective lawyer? Just one.
Someone with a 148 might be the next Ruth Bader Ginsburg for all we know. That doesn't mean that someone with a 148 should go to law school. Do you not understand why not? Here's a hint: if we knew that you would had snagged big law with your qualifications we proably would have told you to go to law school.
Re: 3.9 and 148, for a friend (a stubborn friend)
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:54 am
by fats provolone
fats provolone wrote:what school are you doing your post-hoc at?