From median -3 LSAT, -.2 UGPA, guaranteed job on graduation Forum

[Bassett16]

I have a 3.4 LSAC GPA and a 158 LSAT. I'm applying to a Midwest school with medians at 3.59 and 161 (2013).

I have a guaranteed job upon graduation in a full-time, bar passage required position at a salary that is at the 75th salary percentile of the 2012 graduates from the school.

What do you think are my chances? I'm not retaking...I already have a job and have savings to pay for law school. Thoughts??

[rad lulz]

Probable reject bc below both medians

[Bassett16]

Really? Even though Ill be able to boost their USNWR ranking through the guaranteed post-grad employment? For softs I'm a veteran, published an article in a law review while in the military, speak fluent Spanish, and lived in South America as a youngster. Am I really going to get trumped by being below both those medians?

[Bildungsroman]

Really? Even though Ill be able to boost their USNWR ranking through the guaranteed post-grad employment? For softs I'm a veteran, published an article in a law review while in the military, speak fluent Spanish, and lived in South America as a youngster. Am I really going to get trumped by being below both those medians?

Probably. Although I'd love to see the admissions committee's response to a pitch based on guaranteed employment.

[Bassett16]

Wow really? I included a detailed addendum that addressed how I would MORE than compensate my entrance metrics with post grad employment. I even included the percentage breakdown. That just seems awfully counterintuitive, especially ITE

[Bildungsroman]

Wow really? I included a detailed addendum that addressed how I would MORE than compensate my entrance metrics with post grad employment. I even included the percentage breakdown. That just seems awfully counterintuitive, especially ITE

I don't think you actually did this. Weak troll attempt.

[nebula666]

The privilege is strong in this one. I'm below both medians? But my parents told me I was special! I don't care about the quality of my legal education, I have a job lined up.

[midnight_circus]

Wow really? I included a detailed addendum that addressed how I would MORE than compensate my entrance metrics with post grad employment. I even included the percentage breakdown. That just seems awfully counterintuitive, especially ITE

I'd ding you just for that.

[californiauser]

Wow really? I included a detailed addendum that addressed how I would MORE than compensate my entrance metrics with post grad employment. I even included the percentage breakdown. That just seems awfully counterintuitive, especially ITE

It doesn't work like this. I'd be shocked if you didn't get dinged ASAP for arrogance.

[90convoy]

Retake and get 161 it's not extremely hard..also if you have a job lined up why does it matter where you go???

[Bassett16]

Well I suppose I wrote the percentage breakdown because I wanted to "connect the dots" for the admissions committee on why they should look past my LSAT and UGPA. I sure didn't mean to sound arrogant, I guess I was just trying to calla spade a spade and break it down for them...

The school matters because it will likely mean about a 30k difference when it's all said and done in terms of money spent on education as it will be private vs in-state public tuition.

Should I rescind the addendum? Is that possible?

[Nova]

retake score 161+ get in

[nebula666]

Well I suppose I wrote the percentage breakdown because I wanted to "connect the dots" for the admissions committee on why they should look past my LSAT and UGPA. I sure didn't mean to sound arrogant, I guess I was just trying to calla spade a spade and break it down for them...

The school matters because it will likely mean about a 30k difference when it's all said and done in terms of money spent on education as it will be private vs in-state public tuition.

Should I rescind the addendum? Is that possible?

How could you possibly think that addendum was a good idea? Do you really think the school would rather have someone like you who will just coast through law school telling everyone you have a job lined up or someone who will actually bust their ass to secure themselves a job?

Again, please check your privilege.

[Nova]

Even though Ill be able to boost their USNWR ranking through the guaranteed post-grad employment??

GPA/LSAT > everything else

[A. Nony Mouse]

Even though Ill be able to boost their USNWR ranking through the guaranteed post-grad employment??

GPA/LSAT > everything else

Exactly. And how can they verify that you have guaranteed post-grad employment? Anyone can write that in an addendum. Lots of things can happen between now and your graduation date to make that guaranteed job go away.

I'm not saying you definitely won't get in - I have no idea what your application looks like or what those particular adcomms will think of it, and stranger things have happened. But I don't think saying "I really will have a job at graduation" is going to make the difference.

[daryldixon]

Well I suppose I wrote the percentage breakdown because I wanted to "connect the dots" for the admissions committee on why they should look past my LSAT and UGPA. I sure didn't mean to sound arrogant, I guess I was just trying to calla spade a spade and break it down for them...

The school matters because it will likely mean about a 30k difference when it's all said and done in terms of money spent on education as it will be private vs in-state public tuition.

Should I rescind the addendum? Is that possible?

Holy shit you really did this? I hope they give an explanation with your rejection. Please post it here if they do.

[Arcticlynx]

Wow really? I included a detailed addendum that addressed how I would MORE than compensate my entrance metrics with post grad employment. I even included the percentage breakdown. That just seems awfully counterintuitive, especially ITE

Did you also attach an affidavit from your future employer stating that they would actually employ you upon graduation???

If you were smart, you would have made the future employer one of your recommendation letters and left it alone in your application. Then I would give you a 50/50 of getting in off the wait list, because applications are down and said school will probably just be looking for people to fill their class come summertime. However, with the addendum about the percentage breakdown of employment metrics I think you probably seriously hurt your chances. No one wants to admit "that guy."

If everything you have said is true, I would submit some applications to schools where you would be competitive with a 3.4 LSAC GPA and a 158 LSAT. And get you future employer to make an argument for you in one of your letters. If they are willing to hire you three years out, before you have even been accepted to law school than they definitely see some potential in you, I would let them speak to that in your application, and keep your mouth shut about that job - let the employer talk about it.

I would also say retake, but if you have a job offer three years out right now, then you probably need to get you butt in law school ASAP

[Bassett16]

Well I suppose I wrote the percentage breakdown because I wanted to "connect the dots" for the admissions committee on why they should look past my LSAT and UGPA. I sure didn't mean to sound arrogant, I guess I was just trying to calla spade a spade and break it down for them...

The school matters because it will likely mean about a 30k difference when it's all said and done in terms of money spent on education as it will be private vs in-state public tuition. Should I rescind the addendum? Is that possible?

How could you possibly think that addendum was a good idea? Do you really think the school would rather have someone like you who

will just coast through law school telling everyone you have a job lined up or someone who will actually bust their ass to secure themselves a job?

Again, please check your privilege.

Insecurity I suppose is why I wrote the piece about post-graduation job security.

[A. Nony Mouse]

See, that actually might help get you accepted despite being below the medians - military service is generally seen as a good boost. (Depending on what your addendum looked like.) The thing is that there are a fair number of people who come on this forum and talk about "my uncle has promised to hire me in his firm after graduation" or even "I work at a big firm now and they'll hire me when I graduate" as "guaranteed employment," so not having the military context makes a big difference in how your question comes across.

[Bassett16]

I just looked up the employment stats and wrote about what makes numerical sense without thinking about the potential interpersonal/emotional effects of the statements. Well, I guess if I'm rejected I can't say I didn't ask for it...

[BigZuck]

Retake and go somewhere for free

[ScottRiqui]

Retake and go somewhere for free

With FLEP/ELP, the government will pay tuition/fees, so he'll be going for free wherever he's accepted, while continuing to receive active duty pay. I don't know if he'll be able to pocket any scholarships, but I would suspect not.

I'm not sure how he's already been "selected" for FLEP/ELP if he hasn't been accepted to a law school yet, though - I thought you already had to have an acceptance in-hand before being officially chosen for the program, but I may be mistaken.

[BigZuck]

Retake and go somewhere for free

With FLEP/ELP, the government will pay tuition/fees, so he'll be going for free wherever he's accepted, while continuing to receive active duty pay. I don't know if he'll be able to pocket any scholarships, but I would suspect not.

I'm not sure how he's already been "selected" for FLEP/ELP if he hasn't been accepted to a law school yet, though - I thought you already had to have an acceptance in-hand before being officially chosen for the program, but I may be mistaken.

My B, didn't see that. Well then, retake to actually get in then I guess. The OP will probably have to find a different school after their little snafu, hopefully it won't be any harder to get into.