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Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:29 pm
by Tiger Eyes
Where can my friend get in with these stats? He says his weak GPA ruined his chances at getting into anything above the top 20.
AA Male
3.2 GPA
174 LSAT
Softs
Worked full time in UG
Athlete in UG
Volunteer in political campaign
Supreme Court internship
2 years service in Peace Corps
Strong LOR
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:30 pm
by JamMasterJ
decent shot at CCN w/ money
In everywhere below.
A prayer at H
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:31 pm
by Nova
174 = top ten AA score per cycle. The GPA is not a deal breaker from CCN down.
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 4&t=195443
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:41 pm
by Tiger Eyes
JamMasterJ wrote:decent shot at CCN w/ money
In everywhere below.
A prayer at H
W/ money? Really? I didn't think a school of that stature would offer money with those stats.
How much of a shot at H?
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:49 pm
by JamMasterJ
Tiger Eyes wrote:JamMasterJ wrote:decent shot at CCN w/ money
In everywhere below.
A prayer at H
W/ money? Really? I didn't think a school of that stature would offer money with those stats.
How much of a shot at H?
really unpredictable - Nova's link shows that there are so few AA male applicants in your situation that predicting outcomes is going to be pretty tough
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:55 pm
by Tiger Eyes
Gotcha. Does Peace Corps experience provide a significant boost or not so much?
Edit spelling
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:00 pm
by vinnnyvincenzo
It's peace corps, and no.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:05 pm
by txdude45
Tiger Eyes wrote:Where can my friend get in with these stats? He says his weak GPA ruined his chances at getting into anything above the top 20.
AA Male
3.2 GPA
174 LSAT
Softs
Worked full time in UG
Athlete in UG
Volunteer in political campaign
Supreme Court internship
2 years service in Peace Core
Strong LOR
That 174 is gonna take him places.
This cycle I was 3.2/167/AA male and was IN/WL everywhere but Yale and Berkeley (including IN @ CCN with $ at Chicago). He's gonna get in everywhere but Yale and maybe Stanford. Tell him not to sweat the process and just make sure the rest of the app doesn't give adcoms pause.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:07 pm
by Tiger Eyes
vinnnyvincenzo wrote:It's peace corps, and no.
Thanks for pointing that out. That's interesting I thought it would help a little.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:09 pm
by Tiger Eyes
txdude45 wrote:Tiger Eyes wrote:Where can my friend get in with these stats? He says his weak GPA ruined his chances at getting into anything above the top 20.
AA Male
3.2 GPA
174 LSAT
Softs
Worked full time in UG
Athlete in UG
Volunteer in political campaign
Supreme Court internship
2 years service in Peace Core
Strong LOR
That 174 is gonna take him places.
This cycle I was 3.2/167/AA male and was IN/WL everywhere but Yale and Berkeley (including IN @ CCN with $ at Chicago). He's gonna get in everywhere but Yale and maybe Stanford. Tell him not to sweat the process and just make sure the rest of the app doesn't give adcoms pause.
Nice! What were your softs? Of course if you don't mind my asking.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 11:37 pm
by jrsbaseball5
Nova-
Is there like this for MA applicants?
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:18 am
by Nova
jrsbaseball5 wrote:
Nova-
Is there like this for MA applicants?
Yes.
aboutmydaylight wrote:
If anyone's curious, for MA's the numbers are as follows:
Mean: 147.79
SD: 8.82
Number = 1853
Mean + 1SD = 156.61 (294-295)
Mean + 1.5SD = 161.02 (124-125)
Mean + 2SD = 165.43 (42-43)
Mean + 2.5SD = 169.84 (11-12)
Mean + 3SD = 174.25 (1-2)
Numbers are smaller because there's less MA's than AA's that apply. All approximations of course. I don't have the data on how many MA enroll/are accepted to the T-14 but iirc about 30 MA's enroll in HYS annually. Assuming everything's correct, that would correspond to an LSAT of 166-167 to be among the top 30 MA's that took the test. I have a (perhaps unfounded) presumption that MA's don't get even close to the pass that AA's get when it comes to GPA though. You'd probably still have to near 3.7 to be competitive with the lower end of those scores.
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 3&start=75
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:56 am
by jrsbaseball5
Nova wrote:jrsbaseball5 wrote:
Nova-
Is there like this for MA applicants?
Yes.
aboutmydaylight wrote:
If anyone's curious, for MA's the numbers are as follows:
Mean: 147.79
SD: 8.82
Number = 1853
Mean + 1SD = 156.61 (294-295)
Mean + 1.5SD = 161.02 (124-125)
Mean + 2SD = 165.43 (42-43)
Mean + 2.5SD = 169.84 (11-12)
Mean + 3SD = 174.25 (1-2)
Numbers are smaller because there's less MA's than AA's that apply. All approximations of course. I don't have the data on how many MA enroll/are accepted to the T-14 but iirc about 30 MA's enroll in HYS annually. Assuming everything's correct, that would correspond to an LSAT of 166-167 to be among the top 30 MA's that took the test. I have a (perhaps unfounded) presumption that MA's don't get even close to the pass that AA's get when it comes to GPA though. You'd probably still have to near 3.7 to be competitive with the lower end of those scores.
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 3&start=75
Ah ok, I must have skipped over that section. Thank you!
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 7:04 pm
by txdude45
Tiger Eyes wrote:
Nice! What were your softs? Of course if you don't mind my asking.
D1 athlete (4-year letterman)
HYP undergrad
Co-founded non-profit
Those were my biggest and they aren't huge. Other than that I had a couple finance internships and launched a failed web start-up. None of that has mattered much. I've performed pretty much how my numbers said I would, given my URM status.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:23 pm
by dawyzest1
I'm thinking he's got a terrific shot at everything but Y and maybe S. Yale is definitely out. I can't see them taking a 3.2 GPA. I think his chances at H are pretty damn good. We know from GAIA's guide that there are 3.2/174's at H right now. I think the Peace Corps is a non-negligible soft and will seal the deal for him.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 3:26 pm
by californiauser
Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.
Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:39 pm
by Ti Malice
californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.
Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.
Overstated.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:09 pm
by Tiger Eyes
californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.
Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.
Wow really, wasn't expecting that. What are his chances at Stanford if any?
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:26 pm
by jbagelboy
Tiger Eyes wrote:californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.
Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.
Wow really, wasn't expecting that. What are his chances at Stanford if any?
california indicated he had very good chances at stanford ("in at S"), I would moderate this statement to reflect the fact that a 3.2 GPA even for AA is pushing it at H and S. I think he could anticipate a WL there and get in to H off the WL if they lose enough AA applicants with higher GPAs.
Also full ride is an overstatement at CC, since Hamilton is really for 175+ and the Ruby will no longer exist. That being said, he's basically guaranteed in at CCN and below with some $.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:17 pm
by Dr. Dre
RIP ruby scholarship
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 11:04 am
by o'kane
Aboutmydaylight or others - Do you have or know where I can find a similar distribution for Puerto Ricans? Thanks.
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 11:15 am
by ManOfTheMinute
jbagelboy wrote:Tiger Eyes wrote:californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.
Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.
Wow really, wasn't expecting that. What are his chances at Stanford if any?
california indicated he had very good chances at stanford ("in at S"), I would moderate this statement to reflect the fact that a 3.2 GPA even for AA is pushing it at H and S. I think he could anticipate a WL there and get in to H off the WL if they lose enough AA applicants with higher GPAs.
Also full ride is an overstatement at CC, since Hamilton is really for 175+ and the Ruby will no longer exist. That being said, he's basically guaranteed in at CCN and below with some $.
Not sure I agree with the chances at S or H... Yale's lowest accepted GPAs was a 3.49 - I doubt SLS/HLS are willing to go THAT far below
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:23 pm
by dawyzest1
ManOfTheMinute wrote:jbagelboy wrote:Tiger Eyes wrote:californiauser wrote:Chance at Y, in at H and S. Full-rides from CCN on down.
Your friend may very well be one of the best AA male applicants of the cycle, if not the best.
Wow really, wasn't expecting that. What are his chances at Stanford if any?
california indicated he had very good chances at stanford ("in at S"), I would moderate this statement to reflect the fact that a 3.2 GPA even for AA is pushing it at H and S. I think he could anticipate a WL there and get in to H off the WL if they lose enough AA applicants with higher GPAs.
Also full ride is an overstatement at CC, since Hamilton is really for 175+ and the Ruby will no longer exist. That being said, he's basically guaranteed in at CCN and below with some $.
Not sure I agree with the chances at S or H... Yale's lowest accepted GPAs was a 3.49 - I doubt SLS/HLS are willing to go THAT far below
Careful on this one. LSN lumps all URMs together and URM boosts are not uniform. AAm is the highest boost and a >172 AAm is quite rare. In fact, in your analysis, the one URM to get in at H is indeed a black male...
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:34 pm
by Dr. Dre
So do you think the URM's that got dinged in the above picture were MA's?
Re: Chances at T-14?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:51 pm
by dawyzest1
I only dug as far as H, but one ding was NA and the other was Hispanic, not necessarily MA. Nothing is a guarantee (i.e. the "friend" could call JS a jerk in his interview or he could have C&F problems), but I'd bet real money on him getting into Harvard.
Now, is this dude the "top AAm candidate in this cycle"? I think not. There has to be a 3.8+/172+ AAm out there each time fretting over his Hammys and Darrows and such.