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Declining Early Decision
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:19 pm
by jdmonkey
My question is what happens if I decline a "binding" early decision admission offer? Please do not speculate. Can I pay the deposit and let them take somebody off the waiting list. Can I be sued for such an action? If there are proposed sanctions by LSAC, am I entitled to a hearing?
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:20 pm
by IAFG
jdmonkey wrote:My question is what happens if I decline a "binding" early decision admission offer? Please do not speculate. Can I pay the deposit and let them take somebody off the waiting list. Can I be sued for such an action? If there are proposed sanctions by LSAC, am I entitled to a hearing?
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Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:06 pm
by dingbat
I'm fairly certain you can decline and withdraw, but you cannot apply/accept anywhere else this cycle.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:16 pm
by jdmonkey
If I did accept at another law school what sanctions could the original school take? If the original law school is in a separate state, do you know what court could enforce this agreement and what the financial penalties could be?
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:19 pm
by kalvano
No court needed. They will rescind your acceptance. You're not the first 0L contracts genius to try and get around it.
And yes, schools do share who applied and was admitted binding ED.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:21 pm
by Ludo!
kalvano wrote:No court needed. They will rescind your acceptance. You're not the first 0L contracts genius to try and get around it.
And yes, schools do share who applied and was admitted binding ED.
Yup.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:54 pm
by Ti Malice
You're either going to your ED school this year or you're sitting out and reapplying next year. As others have said, schools share info through the LSAC. No other school will allow you to enroll this year.
You should have thought this over more carefully before making a binding commitment to attend your ED school if accepted. You can't game this. Better luck next year.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:58 pm
by Grazzhoppa
Ti Malice wrote:You're either going to your ED school this year or you're sitting out and reapplying next year. As others have said, schools share info through the LSAC. No other school will allow you to enroll this year.
You should have thought this over more carefully before making a binding commitment to attend your ED school if accepted. You can't game this. Better luck next year.
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Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:07 pm
by emkay625
I have one friend who successfully did this. They had a very unfortunate situation though- their mother was diagnosed with cancer and they needed to withdraw from their ED school and attend their hometown school because they needed to be there to help with her care- they had no other family. The school was very understanding. Short of a situation like that, I don't think you can do this. And this isn't something you can fake either- they had to submit copies of medical paperwork.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:13 am
by jdmonkey
Thank you everybody for the candor. I like pushing the envelope, but I think this stunt would be going too far.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:11 pm
by Nickg415
I've thought about this when I found I got my ED. I never planned on doing it since I am ecstatic about my acceptance but it was just fun to run through a few what if scenarios. The most probable I came around to was possibly deferring a year at the accepted school that you did not ED to and the withdraw from your ED school. You will want to do this as soon as possible obviously. I don't know if this would work but it was the most plausible way to go about it that I could think of. Personally I think you should have to go to your ED school since it is pretty dumb to take such a commitment lightly.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:59 pm
by Ti Malice
Nickg415 wrote:The most probable I came around to was possibly deferring a year at the accepted school that you did not ED to and the withdraw from your ED school. You will want to do this as soon as possible obviously. I don't know if this would work but it was the most plausible way to go about it that I could think of.
Would not work. Once again, schools share info about ED applicants. This strategy is not so clever that schools have failed to anticipate it.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:27 pm
by jdmonkey
We should be thinking about issues like this though. Any lawyer worth their salt can always find a loophole.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:37 pm
by NoodleyOne
jdmonkey wrote:We should be thinking about issues like this though. Any lawyer worth their salt can always find a loophole.
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Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:47 pm
by dingbat
jdmonkey wrote:We should be thinking about issues like this though. Any lawyer worth their salt can always find a loophole.
not true. Also, you're talking about trying to outsmart the guys who wrote the book on it
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:08 pm
by jdmonkey
Sorry I mean try to find a loophole. Of course sometimes one doesn't exit, which appears to be the case here.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:19 pm
by vanwinkle
Ti Malice wrote:You're either going to your ED school this year or you're sitting out and reapplying next year.
This wouldn't necessarily work. I've known of at least one T14 ED applicant who tried to withdraw like this, and the school's responded with, "We are happy to defer your Early Decision acceptance to the [following] year."
If you ED and get accepted, you should expect to either attend that school or not attend anywhere anytime soon.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:20 pm
by Ti Malice
vanwinkle wrote:Ti Malice wrote:You're either going to your ED school this year or you're sitting out and reapplying next year.
This wouldn't necessarily work. I've known of at least one T14 ED applicant who tried to withdraw like this, and the school's responded with, "We are happy to defer your Early Decision acceptance to the [following] year."
If you ED and get accepted, you should expect to either attend that school or not attend anywhere anytime soon.
Interesting. I suppose it's possible, but I don't know how your ED school could bind you in future years if you simply declared that you no longer had any interest in attending the school and wished to permanently withdraw your app.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:37 pm
by Teflon_Don
What If you get reconstructive plastic surgery for a year and use a stolen identity to gain a year in law school of your choice. Then transfer to your dream school... Oh Nevermind, you're screwed regardless of what you do.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:46 pm
by sinfiery
They can rescind acceptances right?
I mean, schools are allowed to share certain information but they can't share specific opinions on your character to other schools. If you want a way out, be an applicant with terrible character.
You may have to make a visit to the school and crack some racist jokes. Good luck.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:53 pm
by jdmonkey
Hahahaha. That would be hilarious.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:06 am
by suralin
sinfiery wrote:They can rescind acceptances right?
I mean, schools are allowed to share certain information but they can't share specific opinions on your character to other schools. If you want a way out, be an applicant with terrible character.
You may have to make a visit to the school and crack some racist jokes. Good luck.
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Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:08 am
by dingbat
sinfiery wrote:They can rescind acceptances right?
I mean, schools are allowed to share certain information but they can't share specific opinions on your character to other schools. If you want a way out, be an applicant with terrible character.
You may have to make a visit to the school and crack some racist jokes. Good luck.
Depending on the school, anything short of taking the dean hostage might not get them to give up a paying student
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:22 am
by vanwinkle
Ti Malice wrote:Interesting. I suppose it's possible, but I don't know how your ED school could bind you in future years if you simply declared that you no longer had any interest in attending the school and wished to permanently withdraw your app.
The ED contract doesn't typically say "X agrees to attend Y Law School for the Class of 2016." It says "X agrees to attend Y Law School." It's not the ED school binding you in future years, you bound
yourself when you agreed to those terms.
If you wish to permanently withdraw your app, that's fine, they can't compel you to attend their school. But they can keep you from attending other schools.
Re: Declining Early Decision
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:39 am
by Ti Malice
vanwinkle wrote:Ti Malice wrote:Interesting. I suppose it's possible, but I don't know how your ED school could bind you in future years if you simply declared that you no longer had any interest in attending the school and wished to permanently withdraw your app.
The ED contract doesn't typically say "X agrees to attend Y Law School for the Class of 2016." It says "X agrees to attend Y Law School." It's not the ED school binding you in future years, you bound
yourself when you agreed to those terms.
If you wish to permanently withdraw your app, that's fine, they can't compel you to attend their school. But they can keep you from attending other schools.
Ah, that makes sense. I wasn't aware that ED apps aren't usually year-specific.