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"check LSN" is probably the best advice anyone can giveWormfather wrote:LSN and myLSN dont look too good for T14. Maybe Cornell will bite, you should get in somewhere between 14-25. Throw the apps out and see what happens.
Sorry that I couldn't give any better advice.
Wormfather wrote:LSN and myLSN dont look too good for T14. Maybe Cornell will bite, you should get in somewhere between 14-25. Throw the apps out and see what happens.
Sorry that I couldn't give any better advice.
Manhattanman wrote:Why do you think you have a decent shot at Georgetown? Only asking because I got deferred with slightly better numbers and very good softs.
Really? Interesting. Can you PM me the link to this? I'd really like to read itAnonimo wrote:I know it might sound repetitive that people advice you retake but consider this.. there is one study that gathered massive amounts of employment statistics of law schools graduates and they concluded that it is wiser to attend a top 10 law school at sticker than to attend a top 20 like UCLA with half scholarship.
Retake. 3-5 points could make a huge difference
Anonimo wrote:I know it might sound repetitive that people advice you retake but consider this.. there is one study that gathered massive amounts of employment statistics of law schools graduates and they concluded that it is wiser to attend a top 10 law school at sticker than to attend a top 20 like UCLA with half scholarship.
Retake. 3-5 points could make a huge difference
Same. TYIA.mr.hands wrote:Really? Interesting. Can you PM me the link to this? I'd really like to read itAnonimo wrote:I know it might sound repetitive that people advice you retake but consider this.. there is one study that gathered massive amounts of employment statistics of law schools graduates and they concluded that it is wiser to attend a top 10 law school at sticker than to attend a top 20 like UCLA with half scholarship.
Retake. 3-5 points could make a huge difference
JFC.jmjones wrote:
There was a discussion on here or was it a study I was reading elsewhere on the worldwideweb...but it actually stated that more people from lower ranked schools made partner. Something about Loyola having more partners than Uchicago.
I'm not sure if I want to be a partner but I do know that I want to be a beast of a lawyer. For that purpose, I cannot rely on a top, top school to keep opening doors for me once I land my first big-law gig. It motivates me to start from the bottom. I would be absolutely complacent if I started at Watchell/Cravath. I want to be the lawyer they poach from some mid-size firm in the middle of Idaho.
Still though, I went to an IVY league UG and I like the way people look at me and get that twinkle in their eye when I mention it. If I get into top-10 so be it. But I'm damn sure not re-taking that horrid exam to get into them.
Okay, so there is a lot more you need to know. The study that showed that Loyola alums were better at making partner than UChi alums was seriously flawed. Its method was to compare, at one recent point in time, the number of current associates who were alums at various schools to the number of partners who were alums are various schools and come up with ratios. For example, if in 2011, say, there were 100 Loyola alum partners and 100 Loyola alum associates, you would have a 1:1 ratio, which looks a lot better than UChi's 1:4 ratio with 250 partners and 1,000 associates. The hidden thing, though, is that the reason for the discrepancy is that 10-20+ years ago when those Loyola partners got hired into big law, big law firms hired a much larger number of people from Loyola. Now they barely hire any. In comparison, big law firms have always hired lots of people from UChi, and they will continue to do so. What changed was that many fewer recent Loyola grads were hired as associates in the more recent years, so their ratio of associates to partners shot up. If the study wanted to actually show anything, it would need to follow the same cohort of lawyers from when they were hired as associates to when they made partner. Comparing current partners to current associates is completely asinine given the changes in hiring over the last 10-20 years.jmjones wrote:There was a discussion on here or was it a study I was reading elsewhere on the worldwideweb...but it actually stated that more people from lower ranked schools made partner. Something about Loyola having more partners than Uchicago.
I'm not sure if I want to be a partner but I do know that I want to be a beast of a lawyer. For that purpose, I cannot rely on a top, top school to keep opening doors for me once I land my first big-law gig. It motivates me to start from the bottom. I would be absolutely complacent if I started at Watchell/Cravath. I want to be the lawyer they poach from some mid-size firm in the middle of Idaho.
Still though, I went to an IVY league UG and I like the way people look at me and get that twinkle in their eye when I mention it. If I get into top-10 so be it. But I'm damn sure not re-taking that horrid exam to get into them.
All right then. I think this has to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever read on this forum.jmjones wrote:Anonimo wrote:I know it might sound repetitive that people advice you retake but consider this.. there is one study that gathered massive amounts of employment statistics of law schools graduates and they concluded that it is wiser to attend a top 10 law school at sticker than to attend a top 20 like UCLA with half scholarship.
Retake. 3-5 points could make a huge difference
There was a discussion on here or was it a study I was reading elsewhere on the worldwideweb...but it actually stated that more people from lower ranked schools made partner. Something about Loyola having more partners than Uchicago.
I'm not sure if I want to be a partner but I do know that I want to be a beast of a lawyer. For that purpose, I cannot rely on a top, top school to keep opening doors for me once I land my first big-law gig. It motivates me to start from the bottom. I would be absolutely complacent if I started at Watchell/Cravath. I want to be the lawyer they poach from some mid-size firm in the middle of Idaho.
Still though, I went to an IVY league UG and I like the way people look at me and get that twinkle in their eye when I mention it. If I get into top-10 so be it. But I'm damn sure not re-taking that horrid exam to get into them.
+1Icculus wrote:All right then. I think this has to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever read on this forum.jmjones wrote:Anonimo wrote:I know it might sound repetitive that people advice you retake but consider this.. there is one study that gathered massive amounts of employment statistics of law schools graduates and they concluded that it is wiser to attend a top 10 law school at sticker than to attend a top 20 like UCLA with half scholarship.
Retake. 3-5 points could make a huge difference
There was a discussion on here or was it a study I was reading elsewhere on the worldwideweb...but it actually stated that more people from lower ranked schools made partner. Something about Loyola having more partners than Uchicago.
I'm not sure if I want to be a partner but I do know that I want to be a beast of a lawyer. For that purpose, I cannot rely on a top, top school to keep opening doors for me once I land my first big-law gig. It motivates me to start from the bottom. I would be absolutely complacent if I started at Watchell/Cravath. I want to be the lawyer they poach from some mid-size firm in the middle of Idaho.
Still though, I went to an IVY league UG and I like the way people look at me and get that twinkle in their eye when I mention it. If I get into top-10 so be it. But I'm damn sure not re-taking that horrid exam to get into them.
I looked it up for an hour because I didn't wanted to come off like I was pulling stats out of nowhere haha..mr.hands wrote:Really? Interesting. Can you PM me the link to this? I'd really like to read itAnonimo wrote:I know it might sound repetitive that people advice you retake but consider this.. there is one study that gathered massive amounts of employment statistics of law schools graduates and they concluded that it is wiser to attend a top 10 law school at sticker than to attend a top 20 like UCLA with half scholarship.
Retake. 3-5 points could make a huge difference
Icculus wrote:All right then. I think this has to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever read on this forum.jmjones wrote:Anonimo wrote:I know it might sound repetitive that people advice you retake but consider this.. there is one study that gathered massive amounts of employment statistics of law schools graduates and they concluded that it is wiser to attend a top 10 law school at sticker than to attend a top 20 like UCLA with half scholarship.
Retake. 3-5 points could make a huge difference
There was a discussion on here or was it a study I was reading elsewhere on the worldwideweb...but it actually stated that more people from lower ranked schools made partner. Something about Loyola having more partners than Uchicago.
I'm not sure if I want to be a partner but I do know that I want to be a beast of a lawyer. For that purpose, I cannot rely on a top, top school to keep opening doors for me once I land my first big-law gig. It motivates me to start from the bottom. I would be absolutely complacent if I started at Watchell/Cravath. I want to be the lawyer they poach from some mid-size firm in the middle of Idaho.
Still though, I went to an IVY league UG and I like the way people look at me and get that twinkle in their eye when I mention it. If I get into top-10 so be it. But I'm damn sure not re-taking that horrid exam to get into them.
Wormfather wrote:Yeah, dude, you're wasting your future. If you cant deal with taking that "horrid exam" again you should really reconsider your life goals.Icculus wrote:All right then. I think this has to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever read on this forum.jmjones wrote:Anonimo wrote:I know it might sound repetitive that people advice you retake but consider this.. there is one study that gathered massive amounts of employment statistics of law schools graduates and they concluded that it is wiser to attend a top 10 law school at sticker than to attend a top 20 like UCLA with half scholarship.
Retake. 3-5 points could make a huge difference
There was a discussion on here or was it a study I was reading elsewhere on the worldwideweb...but it actually stated that more people from lower ranked schools made partner. Something about Loyola having more partners than Uchicago.
I'm not sure if I want to be a partner but I do know that I want to be a beast of a lawyer. For that purpose, I cannot rely on a top, top school to keep opening doors for me once I land my first big-law gig. It motivates me to start from the bottom. I would be absolutely complacent if I started at Watchell/Cravath. I want to be the lawyer they poach from some mid-size firm in the middle of Idaho.
Still though, I went to an IVY league UG and I like the way people look at me and get that twinkle in their eye when I mention it. If I get into top-10 so be it. But I'm damn sure not re-taking that horrid exam to get into them.
Signed,
3-time test taker
It has nothing to do with your use of Idaho as an example. I repeat:jmjones wrote:Icculus wrote:All right then. I think this has to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever read on this forum.jmjones wrote:There was a discussion on here or was it a study I was reading elsewhere on the worldwideweb...but it actually stated that more people from lower ranked schools made partner. Something about Loyola having more partners than Uchicago.
I'm not sure if I want to be a partner but I do know that I want to be a beast of a lawyer. For that purpose, I cannot rely on a top, top school to keep opening doors for me once I land my first big-law gig. It motivates me to start from the bottom. I would be absolutely complacent if I started at Watchell/Cravath. I want to be the lawyer they poach from some mid-size firm in the middle of Idaho.
Still though, I went to an IVY league UG and I like the way people look at me and get that twinkle in their eye when I mention it. If I get into top-10 so be it. But I'm damn sure not re-taking that horrid exam to get into them.
I love TLS and how people here have their own reality.
Also, they take things so literal. Idaho doesn't mean idaho. It could mean Albany, Denver or India.
The best thing for you to do is retake. At the very least you will get $$$ at the schools you are currently considering. Don't go to like UMinn at sticker and think you are going to lateral into big law by being a beast.me wrote:....blah, blah [bottom line: the Loyola study was flawed]...
Firms poach lawyers for one reason: having a big book of business (or perhaps a very distant second of having expertise in an extremely narrow field of law that is very lucrative, but that is so unusual you can basically ignore it). They don't poach people for being a "beast of a lawyer." The likelihood that a big firm will poach someone from a midsizeIdahoNY/CO/India firm is very small simply because they probably don't have a big enough book of business. Some may, and they may get poached. But big firms don't see you on the other side of a deal or lawsuit and get so dazzled with your knowledge of, say,IdahoNY/CO/India civil procedure and decide that they must have this beast.